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[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=38739.msg1051367#msg1051367 date=1265647215]
Oh.
In that case the latter.
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I'll second that.
Oh.
In that case the latter.
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I'll second that.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38739.msg1051366#msg1051366 date=1265647135]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=38739.msg1051364#msg1051364 date=1265647012]
Is that a trick question?
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He's asking if we would prefer United to win and dent Villa's Top 4 aspirations, or whether we'd prefer Villa to win and help Chelsea win the title, in the hope that we are good enough to keep Villa at bay without the help of other teams.
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That's it.
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=38739.msg1051364#msg1051364 date=1265647012]
Is that a trick question?
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He's asking if we would prefer United to win and dent Villa's Top 4 aspirations, or whether we'd prefer Villa to win and help Chelsea win the title, in the hope that we are good enough to keep Villa at bay without the help of other teams.
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That's it.
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38739.msg1051114#msg1051114 date=1265619901]
am I correct in thinking the last time we beat arsenal on their own pitch was 2000 when titi got the winner?
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Didn't Riise do the same? It was in similar style, we hit them on the break and he went clean through, one on one.
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1-1
brilliant through ball by gerrard
so no victory in arsenal's back yard for TEN YEARS. wow.
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Yep - outside of the foot from Gerrard perfectly into the path of Riise. Was a bigger smash and grab than the FA cup that draw and will never understand a team, winning 1-0 with about two minutes to play, being caught on the break so completely - there was literally nobody at home.
As for our season; we're certainly looking a lot more capable of taking 4th than at the start of January. Stevie is a huge factor in that but the commitment seems to be there in successive games. To be fair there should be no problem getting ourselves "up" for the game at the Emirates and City - in the context of this season - is as big as playing Spurs. For me, therefore, the next three games define our season. City and Arsenal because there big matches in every way but, what's just as important, is how we prepare and turn up for the average game(s) that follow.
I think we'll learn a lot about how our season is going to finish by the attitude the players have in that third game.
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I think the most promising thing is that changes, particularly at the back, don't seem to have hurt us. We've had Carra at right back, Skrtel and Agger swapping and changing and the big Greek lad doing well. Even his departure didn't hurt us too badly at the weekend, and when you consider the way Everton have been playing, that's some achievement.
The stability and bite seems to be back, and as I said that can only be good for the rest of the season. I know people have their issues with Houllier, but he used to always maintain that a team needed a backbone and solidity to build on, and the rest would follow. That's certainly looked true of late, Reina, the Greek, Masher and Kuyt seem to have really stood up for the team, and others have and will hopefully continue to follow suit.
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38739.msg1051114#msg1051114 date=1265619901]
am I correct in thinking the last time we beat arsenal on their own pitch was 2000 when titi got the winner?
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Didn't Riise do the same? It was in similar style, we hit them on the break and he went clean through, one on one.
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1-1
brilliant through ball by gerrard
so no victory in arsenal's back yard for TEN YEARS. wow.
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Yep - outside of the foot from Gerrard perfectly into the path of Riise. Was a bigger smash and grab than the FA cup that draw and will never understand a team, winning 1-0 with about two minutes to play, being caught on the break so completely - there was literally nobody at home.
As for our season; we're certainly looking a lot more capable of taking 4th than at the start of January. Stevie is a huge factor in that but the commitment seems to be there in successive games. To be fair there should be no problem getting ourselves "up" for the game at the Emirates and City - in the context of this season - is as big as playing Spurs. For me, therefore, the next three games define our season. City and Arsenal because there big matches in every way but, what's just as important, is how we prepare and turn up for the average game(s) that follow.
I think we'll learn a lot about how our season is going to finish by the attitude the players have in that third game.
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I think the most promising thing is that changes, particularly at the back, don't seem to have hurt us. We've had Carra at right back, Skrtel and Agger swapping and changing and the big Greek lad doing well. Even his departure didn't hurt us too badly at the weekend, and when you consider the way Everton have been playing, that's some achievement.
The stability and bite seems to be back, and as I said that can only be good for the rest of the season. I know people have their issues with Houllier, but he used to always maintain that a team needed a backbone and solidity to build on, and the rest would follow. That's certainly looked true of late, Reina, the Greek, Masher and Kuyt seem to have really stood up for the team, and others have and will hopefully continue to follow suit.
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[quote author=Asim link=topic=38739.msg1051386#msg1051386 date=1265649356]
I would much rather a Villa win, they are much more likely to slip up and lose points that the likes of City and Spurs imo
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Yep.
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ditto
[quote author=Asim link=topic=38739.msg1051386#msg1051386 date=1265649356]
I would much rather a Villa win, they are much more likely to slip up and lose points that the likes of City and Spurs imo
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Yep.
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ditto
Much, much rather a Villa win. If we're going to get fourth I would like it to be because we played our way into it, not just because the other teams dropped off. (That being said, when it comes down to it, I'll take it anyway we can get it.)
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I can't think of one game ever where I've been rooting for United.
A draw for me, though I'd be very happy to see a Villa win. MON continues to rely heavily on a relatively small pool of players. They'll become more inconsistent near the finish line.
Villa obviously. They are not our rivals in the long term, United are.
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38739.msg1051844#msg1051844 date=1265716590]
I want the scum to win.
We need to look after our best interests first and foremost.
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Seriously?
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He'd sell his soul if it meant saving the manager
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38739.msg1051844#msg1051844 date=1265716590]
I want the scum to win.
We need to look after our best interests first and foremost.
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Seriously?
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He'd sell his soul if it meant saving the manager
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38739.msg1051844#msg1051844 date=1265716590]
I want the scum to win.
We need to look after our best interests first and foremost.
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Seriously?
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Yeah.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38739.msg1051844#msg1051844 date=1265716590]
I want the scum to win.
We need to look after our best interests first and foremost.
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Seriously?
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Yeah.
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38739.msg1051844#msg1051844 date=1265716590]
I want the scum to win.
We need to look after our best interests first and foremost.
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Seriously?
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He'd sell his soul if it meant saving the manager
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I just want whats best for us. Villa are in contention for 4th place, so i'd prefer it if they dropped points.
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38739.msg1051844#msg1051844 date=1265716590]
I want the scum to win.
We need to look after our best interests first and foremost.
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Seriously?
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He'd sell his soul if it meant saving the manager
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I just want whats best for us. Villa are in contention for 4th place, so i'd prefer it if they dropped points.
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38739.msg1051844#msg1051844 date=1265716590]
I want the scum to win.
We need to look after our best interests first and foremost.
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Seriously?
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He'd sell his soul if it meant saving the manager
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I just want whats best for us. Villa are in contention for 4th place, so i'd prefer it if they dropped points.
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Surely it's better that United dropped lots of points and we caught up on them? We should only concentrate on who's ahead, not who's behind.
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38739.msg1051844#msg1051844 date=1265716590]
I want the scum to win.
We need to look after our best interests first and foremost.
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Seriously?
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He'd sell his soul if it meant saving the manager
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I just want whats best for us. Villa are in contention for 4th place, so i'd prefer it if they dropped points.
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Surely it's better that United dropped lots of points and we caught up on them? We should only concentrate on who's ahead, not who's behind.
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38739.msg1051844#msg1051844 date=1265716590]
I want the scum to win.
We need to look after our best interests first and foremost.
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Seriously?
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He'd sell his soul if it meant saving the manager
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I just want whats best for us. Villa are in contention for 4th place, so i'd prefer it if they dropped points.
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Surely it's better that United dropped lots of points and we caught up on them? We should only concentrate on who's ahead, not who's behind.
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You've got to be a little realistic here Gerry.
As it stands right now we along with 4 other clubs are scrapping it out for 2 CL spots. I don't care who are playing against Spurs, Gooners, City or Villa, for now i want their opponents to win.
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38739.msg1051844#msg1051844 date=1265716590]
I want the scum to win.
We need to look after our best interests first and foremost.
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Seriously?
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He'd sell his soul if it meant saving the manager
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I just want whats best for us. Villa are in contention for 4th place, so i'd prefer it if they dropped points.
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Surely it's better that United dropped lots of points and we caught up on them? We should only concentrate on who's ahead, not who's behind.
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You've got to be a little realistic here Gerry.
As it stands right now we along with 4 other clubs are scrapping it out for 2 CL spots. I don't care who are playing against Spurs, Gooners, City or Villa, for now i want their opponents to win.
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38739.msg1051844#msg1051844 date=1265716590]
I want the scum to win.
We need to look after our best interests first and foremost.
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Seriously?
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He'd sell his soul if it meant saving the manager
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I just want whats best for us. Villa are in contention for 4th place, so i'd prefer it if they dropped points.
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Even between a scenario with Man Utd Champs and us fourth, and a scenario with Man Utd 2nd and us out of the CL; I’d find it really hard to choose the former. (at most, I’d say both are equally unpalatable)
In the current circumstances, however, I’d say there’s a 50% chance for Man Utd to win the title and about a 15% chance that Villa will be fourth pushing us out of contention*.
There is no contest at all. Villa for the win.
(*figures are debatable but you’d at least agree one is far more likely than the other, based on points, competition as well as historical precedent)
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38739.msg1051844#msg1051844 date=1265716590]
I want the scum to win.
We need to look after our best interests first and foremost.
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Seriously?
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He'd sell his soul if it meant saving the manager
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I just want whats best for us. Villa are in contention for 4th place, so i'd prefer it if they dropped points.
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Even between a scenario with Man Utd Champs and us fourth, and a scenario with Man Utd 2nd and us out of the CL; I’d find it really hard to choose the former. (at most, I’d say both are equally unpalatable)
In the current circumstances, however, I’d say there’s a 50% chance for Man Utd to win the title and about a 15% chance that Villa will be fourth pushing us out of contention*.
There is no contest at all. Villa for the win.
(*figures are debatable but you’d at least agree one is far more likely than the other, based on points, competition as well as historical precedent)
I'm confident we'll out perform all of them for the rest of the season.
Spurs and Villa aren't rivals anyway, it's down to us City and Arsenal for those two positions realistically.
Spurs and Villa aren't rivals anyway, it's down to us City and Arsenal for those two positions realistically.
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38739.msg1051844#msg1051844 date=1265716590]
I want the scum to win.
We need to look after our best interests first and foremost.
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Seriously?
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He'd sell his soul if it meant saving the manager
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I just want whats best for us. Villa are in contention for 4th place, so i'd prefer it if they dropped points.
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Surely it's better that United dropped lots of points and we caught up on them? We should only concentrate on who's ahead, not who's behind.
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You've got to be a little realistic here Gerry.
As it stands right now we along with 4 other clubs are scrapping it out for 2 CL spots. I don't care who are playing against Spurs, Gooners, City or Villa, for now i want their opponents to win.
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With five clubs scrapping for the CL and only 2 realistically challenging for 1st, surely a Villa win will be less significant on the race than a Man Utd win?
Further, Villa aren’t even the closest challengers. Even if they win, we’d still best them if we keep winning ourselves. Man Utd are unlikely to drop many more points…
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38739.msg1051844#msg1051844 date=1265716590]
I want the scum to win.
We need to look after our best interests first and foremost.
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Seriously?
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He'd sell his soul if it meant saving the manager
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I just want whats best for us. Villa are in contention for 4th place, so i'd prefer it if they dropped points.
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Surely it's better that United dropped lots of points and we caught up on them? We should only concentrate on who's ahead, not who's behind.
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You've got to be a little realistic here Gerry.
As it stands right now we along with 4 other clubs are scrapping it out for 2 CL spots. I don't care who are playing against Spurs, Gooners, City or Villa, for now i want their opponents to win.
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With five clubs scrapping for the CL and only 2 realistically challenging for 1st, surely a Villa win will be less significant on the race than a Man Utd win?
Further, Villa aren’t even the closest challengers. Even if they win, we’d still best them if we keep winning ourselves. Man Utd are unlikely to drop many more points…
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=38739.msg1052086#msg1052086 date=1265729406]
I'm confident we'll out perform all of them for the rest of the season.
Spurs and Villa aren't rivals anyway, it's down to us City and Arsenal for those two positions realistically.
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Im sorry mate but i must disagree, they are definitely our rivals this season.
We've got 13 games left with the Scum, Gooners and City away (Chavs home), i think we'll get 4th but its going to be very tight indeed.
I'm confident we'll out perform all of them for the rest of the season.
Spurs and Villa aren't rivals anyway, it's down to us City and Arsenal for those two positions realistically.
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Im sorry mate but i must disagree, they are definitely our rivals this season.
We've got 13 games left with the Scum, Gooners and City away (Chavs home), i think we'll get 4th but its going to be very tight indeed.
Villa will not be a worry to us in the run in. I'd bet my life on it.
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I want the scum to win.
We need to look after our best interests first and foremost.
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Seriously?
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He'd sell his soul if it meant saving the manager
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I just want whats best for us. Villa are in contention for 4th place, so i'd prefer it if they dropped points.
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Surely it's better that United dropped lots of points and we caught up on them? We should only concentrate on who's ahead, not who's behind.
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You've got to be a little realistic here Gerry.
As it stands right now we along with 4 other clubs are scrapping it out for 2 CL spots. I don't care who are playing against Spurs, Gooners, City or Villa, for now i want their opponents to win.
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With five clubs scrapping for the CL and only 2 realistically challenging for 1st, surely a Villa win will be less significant on the race than a Man Utd win?
Further, Villa aren’t even the closest challengers. Even if they win, we’d still best them if we keep winning ourselves. Man Utd are unlikely to drop many more points…
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We can dent the scums chances by turning them over ourselves, right now i'd prefer the teams around us to be dropping as many points as possible.
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I want the scum to win.
We need to look after our best interests first and foremost.
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Seriously?
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He'd sell his soul if it meant saving the manager
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I just want whats best for us. Villa are in contention for 4th place, so i'd prefer it if they dropped points.
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Surely it's better that United dropped lots of points and we caught up on them? We should only concentrate on who's ahead, not who's behind.
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You've got to be a little realistic here Gerry.
As it stands right now we along with 4 other clubs are scrapping it out for 2 CL spots. I don't care who are playing against Spurs, Gooners, City or Villa, for now i want their opponents to win.
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With five clubs scrapping for the CL and only 2 realistically challenging for 1st, surely a Villa win will be less significant on the race than a Man Utd win?
Further, Villa aren’t even the closest challengers. Even if they win, we’d still best them if we keep winning ourselves. Man Utd are unlikely to drop many more points…
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We can dent the scums chances by turning them over ourselves, right now i'd prefer the teams around us to be dropping as many points as possible.
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