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Toothless in attack until the last 10 minutes of the game..

Our Home form is dire.. We should be putting teams like this out of sight!!!


Suarez plays bad we have no one else to pick up the mantle...

Arsenal are level on points now... its between them Spurs & Newcastle for 4th...
 
i've already said i think it's a much bigger ask than most think. i'd actually be pretty surprised. people seem to have their head in the sand about spurs and arsenal. they are better than us because they are far more capable of beating all the shit teams.
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47422.msg1422165#msg1422165 date=1320512280]
We're a one man team again...
[/quote]

it seems that way, our creativity in midfield is shocking it really is...

For the most part of that game we where losing the midfield battle
 
Much too early to throw in the towel. Look at the transformation when Kenny took charge in January. Look at where Newcastle(!!!) is in the table. Not to mention how Arsenal have picked themselves up after a dreadful start. It has been a very disappointing start, but we can change our fortunes as well.
 
Not unless there's a major turn around.

Spurs and Arsenal are flying, and then there's City, United and Chelsea.

Realistically it's not looking good at all.
 
IF spurs win their 2 games in hand we're already 6 points off 4th . Don't get me wrong i never expected the league or that getting 4th would be easy but i hoped we might at least look like we'd improved and were going in the right direction after all the money spent .
 
isn't going to happen. the only way I can see us getting 4th is if we buy a brilliant player in jan and he instantly clicks and good players aren't sold in january*



* except suarez
 
If we just stick to the same 11 or 12 players and expect them to improve or come good, then we arent going to do much better. So much so for the apparent increase strength in depth. When there's no competition, when certain players get picked regardless of their performances. I'm not saying he will definitely be of much impact but Maxi Rodriguez has only played 15 mins in league games this season.

Him, Cole, Aquilani, Meireles or even Shelvey. How much creativity or difference MIGHT they have made/offer?
 
[quote author=Binny link=topic=47422.msg1422259#msg1422259 date=1320515163]
If we just stick to the same 11 or 12 players and expect them to improve or come good, then we arent going to do much better. So much so for the apparent increase strength in depth. When there's no competition, when certain players get picked regardless of their performances. I'm not saying he will definitely be of much impact but Maxi Rodriguez has only played 15 mins in league games this season.

Him, Cole, Aquilani, Meireles or even Shelvey. How much creativity or difference MIGHT they have made/offer?
[/quote]

this is my major concern about kenny - well, apart from the signings. it seems undeniable now that some players are being picked regardless of performance (henderson, downing, carroll). i honestly can't ever remember that happening at LFC before... maybe houllier with heskey?
 
[quote author=Binny link=topic=47422.msg1422259#msg1422259 date=1320515163]
If we just stick to the same 11 or 12 players and expect them to improve or come good, then we arent going to do much better. So much so for the apparent increase strength in depth. When there's no competition, when certain players get picked regardless of their performances. I'm not saying he will definitely be of much impact but Maxi Rodriguez has only played 15 mins in league games this season.

Him, Cole, Aquilani, Meireles or even Shelvey. How much creativity or difference MIGHT they have made/offer?
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bitch_please_obama_1_RE_How_To_Get_A_Letter_From_Greenday-s483x340-176358-580.jpg
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47422.msg1422265#msg1422265 date=1320515815]
[quote author=Binny link=topic=47422.msg1422259#msg1422259 date=1320515163]
If we just stick to the same 11 or 12 players and expect them to improve or come good, then we arent going to do much better. So much so for the apparent increase strength in depth. When there's no competition, when certain players get picked regardless of their performances. I'm not saying he will definitely be of much impact but Maxi Rodriguez has only played 15 mins in league games this season.

Him, Cole, Aquilani, Meireles or even Shelvey. How much creativity or difference MIGHT they have made/offer?
[/quote]

this is my major concern about kenny - well, apart from the signings. it seems undeniable now that some players are being picked regardless of performance (henderson, downing, carroll). i honestly can't ever remember that happening at LFC before... maybe houllier with heskey?
[/quote]

and rafa with kuyt. all managers do it.
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47422.msg1422265#msg1422265 date=1320515815]
[quote author=Binny link=topic=47422.msg1422259#msg1422259 date=1320515163]
If we just stick to the same 11 or 12 players and expect them to improve or come good, then we arent going to do much better. So much so for the apparent increase strength in depth. When there's no competition, when certain players get picked regardless of their performances. I'm not saying he will definitely be of much impact but Maxi Rodriguez has only played 15 mins in league games this season.

Him, Cole, Aquilani, Meireles or even Shelvey. How much creativity or difference MIGHT they have made/offer?
[/quote]

this is my major concern about kenny - well, apart from the signings. it seems undeniable now that some players are being picked regardless of performance (henderson, downing, carroll). i honestly can't ever remember that happening at LFC before... maybe houllier with heskey?
[/quote]

[quote author=Binny link=topic=47291.msg1420835#msg1420835 date=1320248446]
Stewart Downing has hit the woodwork 3 times in the league this season; only 8 TEAMS (excl. LFC) have done so more often

Rotation, average changes for league games this season. Man U 2.8, Arsenal 2.7, Chelsea 2.4, Everton 1.9, LFC 1.4
(Rotation, changes in league games Rafa last 3 seasons: 09/10 2.5, 08/09 3.0, 07/08 3.4 changes per game)
[/quote]

"Don't fix it if it aint broke?" Unbeaten, yes. But we've dropped far too many points.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47422.msg1422268#msg1422268 date=1320516114]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47422.msg1422265#msg1422265 date=1320515815]
[quote author=Binny link=topic=47422.msg1422259#msg1422259 date=1320515163]
If we just stick to the same 11 or 12 players and expect them to improve or come good, then we arent going to do much better. So much so for the apparent increase strength in depth. When there's no competition, when certain players get picked regardless of their performances. I'm not saying he will definitely be of much impact but Maxi Rodriguez has only played 15 mins in league games this season.

Him, Cole, Aquilani, Meireles or even Shelvey. How much creativity or difference MIGHT they have made/offer?
[/quote]

this is my major concern about kenny - well, apart from the signings. it seems undeniable now that some players are being picked regardless of performance (henderson, downing, carroll). i honestly can't ever remember that happening at LFC before... maybe houllier with heskey?
[/quote]

and rafa with kuyt. all managers do it.
[/quote]

no, i don't agree that kuyt is a comparable situation. i'm hardly his biggest fan, but he's still been a great player for us over the years. part of the difference for mer is that at least kuyt and heskey came in and did well, and proved themselves top performers deserving of a bit of patience during dips in form. with the current 3 they've all done fuck all, are instant favourits, and other options have barely had a look in as a result. there's barely even a hint of rotation.

i've never seen something quite so blatant as the henderson thing this season. he's been played game after game and done fuck all, while maxi has had 15 minutes ALL SEASON after being our top scorer during the first few months of kenny's management.
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47422.msg1422279#msg1422279 date=1320516721]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47422.msg1422268#msg1422268 date=1320516114]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47422.msg1422265#msg1422265 date=1320515815]
[quote author=Binny link=topic=47422.msg1422259#msg1422259 date=1320515163]
If we just stick to the same 11 or 12 players and expect them to improve or come good, then we arent going to do much better. So much so for the apparent increase strength in depth. When there's no competition, when certain players get picked regardless of their performances. I'm not saying he will definitely be of much impact but Maxi Rodriguez has only played 15 mins in league games this season.

Him, Cole, Aquilani, Meireles or even Shelvey. How much creativity or difference MIGHT they have made/offer?
[/quote]

this is my major concern about kenny - well, apart from the signings. it seems undeniable now that some players are being picked regardless of performance (henderson, downing, carroll). i honestly can't ever remember that happening at LFC before... maybe houllier with heskey?
[/quote]

and rafa with kuyt. all managers do it.
[/quote]

no, i don't agree that kuyt is a comparable situation. i'm hardly his biggest fan, but he's still been a great player for us over the years. part of the difference for mer is that at least kuyt and heskey came in and did well, and proved themselves top performers deserving of a bit of patience during dips in form. with the current 3 they've all done fuck all, are instant favourits, and other options have barely had a look in as a result. there's barely even a hint of rotation.

i've never seen something quite so blatant as the henderson thing this season. he's been played game after game and done fuck all, while maxi has had 15 minutes ALL SEASON after being our top scorer during the first few months of kenny's management.
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you can't really say carroll is playing regardless of form.
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47422.msg1422284#msg1422284 date=1320517043]
yes i can.
[/quote]


carroll has not been playing week in week out. 11 games in and how many of those 11 games did he start? is he in double figures for league starts?
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47422.msg1422285#msg1422285 date=1320517142]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47422.msg1422284#msg1422284 date=1320517043]
yes i can.
[/quote]


carroll has not been playing week in week out. 11 games in and how many of those 11 games did he start? is he in double figures for league starts?
[/quote]

at least 7 of the 11, not sure if he started the stoke game. the point is he's been starting more than his form merits, imo.
 
[quote author=Binny link=topic=47422.msg1422290#msg1422290 date=1320517629]
Liverpool next 3 EPL fixtures: Chelsea (a), Man City (h), Fulham (a)
Click to expand...

:-X
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if we get 1 point out of them 3 games we have done well (by current standards)..


...and the point will probably be at HOME to Man City...

However if we by some major miracle we win all 3, well that spices things up a bit... (trying my best to remain positive, however this is the best I can do)
 
Team
Man City 11 31

Man Utd 11 26

Newcastle11 25

Chelsea 11 22

Tottenham 9 19

Liverpool 11 19


3 points off 4th place 6 points off 3rd, why is everyone flapping?

Sure we have dropped points, but 4th or better is still ours to take, 11 times hit the woodwork, where the fuck is our luck?

We could have been sitting pretty right now, but its the long run we are in for and lucks supposed to even itself out......
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=47422.msg1422337#msg1422337 date=1320524605]

Team
Man City 11 31

Man Utd 11 26

Newcastle11 25

Chelsea 11 22

Tottenham 9 19

Liverpool 11 19


3 points off 4th place 6 points off 3rd, why is everyone flapping?

Sure we have dropped points, but 4th or better is still ours to take, 11 times hit the woodwork, where the fuck is our luck?

We could have been sitting pretty right now, but its the long run we are in for and lucks supposed to even itself out......
[/quote]

Maybe because we've fucked up against teams we should beat?
 
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=47422.msg1422351#msg1422351 date=1320526482]
How many points did we have after 14 games under Roy?
[/quote]

After 11 games under Roy, we had 15 points (vs. 19 now).

D 5 Aug 10 Liverpool 1 - 1 Arsenal
L 23 Aug 10 Manchester City 3 - 0 Liverpool
W 29 Aug 10 Liverpool 1 - 0 West Bromwich
D 12 Sep 10 Birmingham City 0 - 0 Liverpool
L 19 Sep 10 Manchester Utd 3 - 2 Liverpool
D 25 Sep 10 Liverpool 2 - 2 Sunderland
L 3 Oct 10 Liverpool 1 - 2 Blackpool
L 17 Oct 10 Everton 2 - 0 Liverpool
W 24 Oct 10 Liverpool 2 - 1 Blackburn
W 31 Oct 10 Bolton 0 - 1 Liverpool
W 7 Nov 10 Liverpool 2 - 0 Chelsea

4 wins 3 draws 4 losses (vs. 5W 4D 2L)
Click to expand...

After 14 games, we had 19 points. We have 3 games to better that - and that's vs. Chelsea (a), Man City (h), Fulham (a)

D 10 Nov 10 Wigan Athletic 1 - 1 Liverpool
L 13 Nov 10 Stoke City 2 - 0 Liverpool
W 20 Nov 10 Liverpool 3 - 0 West Ham Utd
Click to expand...
 
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=47422.msg1422369#msg1422369 date=1320528832]
Cheers mate
[/quote]

No prob mate. Its worth noting too, that in the midst of those matches, Hodgson had Europa League matches to contend with - although, obviously he fielded weakened teams.
 
Re: Re: 4th place ?

[quote author=themn link=topic=47422.msg1422395#msg1422395 date=1320533193]
Fuck 4th, what are them Dumblebumble cunts saying 'bout t'title ?
[/quote]

I gave up on that after Norwich
 
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