I just don't see it. I think our rivals for 4th (chelsea arsenal, n'castle) will drop points but I don't think we have anything like the consistancy to take advantage of that.
4th isn't going to happen
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I agree.
Sad but the issues that we saw day 1 vs Sunderland havnt really changed in any way shape or form.
Theres still potential to be happy and a base to build on but it wont be in the champions league next year.
And to be honest I dont really care. I havnt even missed it and we arent good enough to be in it.
Hopefully we can win a trophy this year.
Sad but the issues that we saw day 1 vs Sunderland havnt really changed in any way shape or form.
Theres still potential to be happy and a base to build on but it wont be in the champions league next year.
And to be honest I dont really care. I havnt even missed it and we arent good enough to be in it.
Hopefully we can win a trophy this year.
If we buy a consistent finisher, or we suddenly start taking our chances, we might have an outside chance. But we won't.
I didn't think we would before tonight, and it's only just cememnted my opinion.
I didn't think we would before tonight, and it's only just cememnted my opinion.
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the_khl
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We'll get fourth or better.
Goodnight, stay chipper.
Goodnight, stay chipper.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=47803.msg1438735#msg1438735 date=1323126212]
We'll get fourth or better.
Goodnight, stay chipper.
[/quote]
You, Asbo and JJ (I think) are lunatics.
We'll get fourth or better.
Goodnight, stay chipper.
[/quote]
You, Asbo and JJ (I think) are lunatics.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
Tell me truthfully would YOU have dropped Maxi tonight? Would ANYONE?
Honestly (and i know its a legend and im not allowed to say cunt) but managers really are too fucking smartarse and smug for their own good.
The OBVIOUS thing to do is almost always the RIGHT thing to do.
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
Tell me truthfully would YOU have dropped Maxi tonight? Would ANYONE?
Honestly (and i know its a legend and im not allowed to say cunt) but managers really are too fucking smartarse and smug for their own good.
The OBVIOUS thing to do is almost always the RIGHT thing to do.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Surely you are not trying to argue that people would think that we wouldn't improve if we added a world class player or two to our team?
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Surely you are not trying to argue that people would think that we wouldn't improve if we added a world class player or two to our team?
dropping the only attacker who currently seems to know where the goal is...confusing
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438747#msg1438747 date=1323126480]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
[/quote]
We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
[/quote]
We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438764#msg1438764 date=1323126873]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438747#msg1438747 date=1323126480]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
[/quote]
We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[/quote]Im not disputing that at all mate. Im just saying that we have had the team to win these games we are drawing and losing but we arent getting it right at all.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438747#msg1438747 date=1323126480]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
[/quote]
We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[/quote]Im not disputing that at all mate. Im just saying that we have had the team to win these games we are drawing and losing but we arent getting it right at all.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438767#msg1438767 date=1323126978]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438764#msg1438764 date=1323126873]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438747#msg1438747 date=1323126480]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
[/quote]
We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[/quote]Im not disputing that at all mate. Im just saying that we have had the team to win these games we are drawing and losing but we arent getting it right at all.
[/quote]
Yep, we obviously need better players but the ones we have at the minute are more than good enough to beat the likes of Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea, Fulham etc.
Kenny's simply getting his team selections and tactics wrong.
It's time to build our team around Bellamy, Maxi and Suarez, our 3 most dangerous players.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438764#msg1438764 date=1323126873]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438747#msg1438747 date=1323126480]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
[/quote]
We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[/quote]Im not disputing that at all mate. Im just saying that we have had the team to win these games we are drawing and losing but we arent getting it right at all.
[/quote]
Yep, we obviously need better players but the ones we have at the minute are more than good enough to beat the likes of Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea, Fulham etc.
Kenny's simply getting his team selections and tactics wrong.
It's time to build our team around Bellamy, Maxi and Suarez, our 3 most dangerous players.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438767#msg1438767 date=1323126978]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438764#msg1438764 date=1323126873]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438747#msg1438747 date=1323126480]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
[/quote]
We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[/quote]Im not disputing that at all mate. Im just saying that we have had the team to win these games we are drawing and losing but we arent getting it right at all.
[/quote]
Mate, I typed this 5 weeks ago, and is still my thought on the subject:
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47375.msg1422428#msg1422428 date=1320540708]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47375.msg1420564#msg1420564 date=1320190067]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=47375.msg1420549#msg1420549 date=1320185766]
Realistically, who would you bring in? Sincere question.
[/quote]
I know this is a pretty shite response, but 'better players'.
Look at Downing, Carroll, Adam, Henderson, etc - you know what you're getting. Significantly, our opposition know what they're playing against too, because they're predictable and easier to nullify.
Winning the premier league isn't really about beating your opposition in the top 4, it's about betaing the other 15 bags of shit week in, week out - which Man United have done relentlessly for the last 20 years. To beat them you need players that they don't have, simple enough you might say, but they all have players of the calibre of Stewart Downing - players with some skills, a bit of directivity, and capable of the odd moment of magic. so playing against them isn't that difficult. Playing against Sergio Aguero, David Silva, RVP, Steven Gerrard, Luis Suarez, etc etc is difficult for that group of 15, because they're unpredictable, they're brilliant and they make life fucking hard for them. They're world class. Charlie Adam, Jordan Henderson, Andy Carroll and Stewart Downing aren't.
A solid defence and good defensive midfielder are critical, no doubt. Quality in attack though is what we're missing. We have one and a half world class players in attack (Gerrard's not fit, ergo he's the half). So stopping us scoring is easier for most teams, than it is against say Man City, spurs, or United cos you only have to stop one player for the most part.
Look at Spurs front 6 on Sunday - Parker, Modric, Bale, Lennon, VDV, Adeabyor. Take Lennon out of that and Parker as he's the DM, and they're all absolute quality. all arguably world class players that can win a game on their own.
Man City - Dzeko, Aguero, Silva, Nasri, etc. Same again. You can stop one of them, two maybe, on a good day three of them, but then Adam Johnson comes off the bench and curls one in from 30 yards. And you're fucked.
United - Rooney, Hernandez, Nani, Young. Ditto.
so, there - we don't have enough world class players in attack. We have 1 and the other one's injured.
The other thing we don't have is clever enough players. I'm glad this fucking argument that I campaigned against for the last 3 years that 'pace is critical' has recently died away, because it's fucking bollocks. What pace does Silva have? Adam Johnson? Ashley Young? Modric? VDV? They don't need pace, cos they're fucking brilliant.
The best football team on the planet; Spain. Where's their pace? You see Iniesta tearing it up down the left wing? Nope, not required. They're footballers, and great ones at that. We need more intelligent footballers. Players that can interchange, retain possession, find space where others can't, pick a hole, drag opposition out of shape, find a goal from nothing, play the killer ball, all of that fucking great stuff that predictable footballers find difficult. Cos David Silva doesn't have pace, a rasping shot, he can't get down a wing, he's probably a shite crosser too, but none of that matters because he's another level above 99% of the dross that plays in the premier league, and that's the type of player I want. More of him, more of Rooney, more of Modric. They don't need to be defined by a position, we don't need a designated right winger, we just need the highest quality of footballer, then you let them play in a system that suits, alongside players that are on their wavelength.
I realise I'm not giving you names, that's not my point. 12 months ago I wouldn't have given you the name Luis suarez cos i knew fuck all about him. Ditto 24 months ago I probably wouldn't have thrown up the name Modric. But players like that exist, and until we change what seems to be a flawed transfer policy, we'll struggle to beat the 15 other teams because we don't have enough world class players.
Disclaimer - there are probably spelling and grammar mistakes all through this post. My apologies for that, I'm typing in one almighty rush.
[/quote]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438764#msg1438764 date=1323126873]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438747#msg1438747 date=1323126480]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
[/quote]
We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[/quote]Im not disputing that at all mate. Im just saying that we have had the team to win these games we are drawing and losing but we arent getting it right at all.
[/quote]
Mate, I typed this 5 weeks ago, and is still my thought on the subject:
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47375.msg1422428#msg1422428 date=1320540708]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47375.msg1420564#msg1420564 date=1320190067]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=47375.msg1420549#msg1420549 date=1320185766]
Realistically, who would you bring in? Sincere question.
[/quote]
I know this is a pretty shite response, but 'better players'.
Look at Downing, Carroll, Adam, Henderson, etc - you know what you're getting. Significantly, our opposition know what they're playing against too, because they're predictable and easier to nullify.
Winning the premier league isn't really about beating your opposition in the top 4, it's about betaing the other 15 bags of shit week in, week out - which Man United have done relentlessly for the last 20 years. To beat them you need players that they don't have, simple enough you might say, but they all have players of the calibre of Stewart Downing - players with some skills, a bit of directivity, and capable of the odd moment of magic. so playing against them isn't that difficult. Playing against Sergio Aguero, David Silva, RVP, Steven Gerrard, Luis Suarez, etc etc is difficult for that group of 15, because they're unpredictable, they're brilliant and they make life fucking hard for them. They're world class. Charlie Adam, Jordan Henderson, Andy Carroll and Stewart Downing aren't.
A solid defence and good defensive midfielder are critical, no doubt. Quality in attack though is what we're missing. We have one and a half world class players in attack (Gerrard's not fit, ergo he's the half). So stopping us scoring is easier for most teams, than it is against say Man City, spurs, or United cos you only have to stop one player for the most part.
Look at Spurs front 6 on Sunday - Parker, Modric, Bale, Lennon, VDV, Adeabyor. Take Lennon out of that and Parker as he's the DM, and they're all absolute quality. all arguably world class players that can win a game on their own.
Man City - Dzeko, Aguero, Silva, Nasri, etc. Same again. You can stop one of them, two maybe, on a good day three of them, but then Adam Johnson comes off the bench and curls one in from 30 yards. And you're fucked.
United - Rooney, Hernandez, Nani, Young. Ditto.
so, there - we don't have enough world class players in attack. We have 1 and the other one's injured.
The other thing we don't have is clever enough players. I'm glad this fucking argument that I campaigned against for the last 3 years that 'pace is critical' has recently died away, because it's fucking bollocks. What pace does Silva have? Adam Johnson? Ashley Young? Modric? VDV? They don't need pace, cos they're fucking brilliant.
The best football team on the planet; Spain. Where's their pace? You see Iniesta tearing it up down the left wing? Nope, not required. They're footballers, and great ones at that. We need more intelligent footballers. Players that can interchange, retain possession, find space where others can't, pick a hole, drag opposition out of shape, find a goal from nothing, play the killer ball, all of that fucking great stuff that predictable footballers find difficult. Cos David Silva doesn't have pace, a rasping shot, he can't get down a wing, he's probably a shite crosser too, but none of that matters because he's another level above 99% of the dross that plays in the premier league, and that's the type of player I want. More of him, more of Rooney, more of Modric. They don't need to be defined by a position, we don't need a designated right winger, we just need the highest quality of footballer, then you let them play in a system that suits, alongside players that are on their wavelength.
I realise I'm not giving you names, that's not my point. 12 months ago I wouldn't have given you the name Luis suarez cos i knew fuck all about him. Ditto 24 months ago I probably wouldn't have thrown up the name Modric. But players like that exist, and until we change what seems to be a flawed transfer policy, we'll struggle to beat the 15 other teams because we don't have enough world class players.
Disclaimer - there are probably spelling and grammar mistakes all through this post. My apologies for that, I'm typing in one almighty rush.
[/quote]
everyone can see we need better players but we've spent the last two seasons out of the CL, aren't located in the capital and don't pay the highest wages. we were having the exact same arguements in the summer and will probably have the same arguements in the coming summer.
we needed our summer signings to hit the ground running and unfortunately enrique and adam aside they haven't.
we needed our summer signings to hit the ground running and unfortunately enrique and adam aside they haven't.
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=47803.msg1438774#msg1438774 date=1323127230]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438767#msg1438767 date=1323126978]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438764#msg1438764 date=1323126873]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438747#msg1438747 date=1323126480]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
[/quote]
We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[/quote]Im not disputing that at all mate. Im just saying that we have had the team to win these games we are drawing and losing but we arent getting it right at all.
[/quote]
Yep, we obviously need better players but the ones we have at the minute are more than good enough to beat the likes of Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea, Fulham etc.
Kenny's simply getting his team selections and tactics wrong.
It's time to build our team around Bellamy, Maxi and Suarez, our 3 most dangerous players.
[/quote]
Even if we do that, we will still be a team that finishes between 4th and 7th.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438767#msg1438767 date=1323126978]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438764#msg1438764 date=1323126873]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438747#msg1438747 date=1323126480]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
[/quote]
We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[/quote]Im not disputing that at all mate. Im just saying that we have had the team to win these games we are drawing and losing but we arent getting it right at all.
[/quote]
Yep, we obviously need better players but the ones we have at the minute are more than good enough to beat the likes of Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea, Fulham etc.
Kenny's simply getting his team selections and tactics wrong.
It's time to build our team around Bellamy, Maxi and Suarez, our 3 most dangerous players.
[/quote]
Even if we do that, we will still be a team that finishes between 4th and 7th.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47803.msg1438778#msg1438778 date=1323127369]
everyone can see we need better players but we've spent the last two seasons out of the CL, aren't located in the capital and don't pay the highest wages. we were having the exact same arguements in the summer and will probably have the same arguements in the coming summer.
we needed our summer signings to hit the ground running and unfortunately enrique and adam aside they haven't.
[/quote]
If you were sitting beside me right now, I would push your face into the keyboard and make you eat the fucking keys.
everyone can see we need better players but we've spent the last two seasons out of the CL, aren't located in the capital and don't pay the highest wages. we were having the exact same arguements in the summer and will probably have the same arguements in the coming summer.
we needed our summer signings to hit the ground running and unfortunately enrique and adam aside they haven't.
[/quote]
If you were sitting beside me right now, I would push your face into the keyboard and make you eat the fucking keys.
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=47803.msg1438774#msg1438774 date=1323127230]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438767#msg1438767 date=1323126978]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438764#msg1438764 date=1323126873]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438747#msg1438747 date=1323126480]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
[/quote]
We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[/quote]Im not disputing that at all mate. Im just saying that we have had the team to win these games we are drawing and losing but we arent getting it right at all.
[/quote]
Yep, we obviously need better players but the ones we have at the minute are more than good enough to beat the likes of Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea, Fulham etc.
Kenny's simply getting his team selections and tactics wrong.
It's time to build our team around Bellamy, Maxi and Suarez, our 3 most dangerous players.
[/quote]
I wouldn't build a team around Maxi and Bellamy. They won't be here for long.
I'd prefer to have a bit of patience.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438767#msg1438767 date=1323126978]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438764#msg1438764 date=1323126873]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438747#msg1438747 date=1323126480]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
[/quote]
We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[/quote]Im not disputing that at all mate. Im just saying that we have had the team to win these games we are drawing and losing but we arent getting it right at all.
[/quote]
Yep, we obviously need better players but the ones we have at the minute are more than good enough to beat the likes of Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea, Fulham etc.
Kenny's simply getting his team selections and tactics wrong.
It's time to build our team around Bellamy, Maxi and Suarez, our 3 most dangerous players.
[/quote]
I wouldn't build a team around Maxi and Bellamy. They won't be here for long.
I'd prefer to have a bit of patience.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438775#msg1438775 date=1323127344]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438767#msg1438767 date=1323126978]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438764#msg1438764 date=1323126873]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438747#msg1438747 date=1323126480]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
[/quote]
We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[/quote]Im not disputing that at all mate. Im just saying that we have had the team to win these games we are drawing and losing but we arent getting it right at all.
[/quote]
Mate, I typed this 5 weeks ago, and is still my thought on the subject:
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47375.msg1422428#msg1422428 date=1320540708]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47375.msg1420564#msg1420564 date=1320190067]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=47375.msg1420549#msg1420549 date=1320185766]
Realistically, who would you bring in? Sincere question.
[/quote]
I know this is a pretty shite response, but 'better players'.
Look at Downing, Carroll, Adam, Henderson, etc - you know what you're getting. Significantly, our opposition know what they're playing against too, because they're predictable and easier to nullify.
Winning the premier league isn't really about beating your opposition in the top 4, it's about betaing the other 15 bags of shit week in, week out - which Man United have done relentlessly for the last 20 years. To beat them you need players that they don't have, simple enough you might say, but they all have players of the calibre of Stewart Downing - players with some skills, a bit of directivity, and capable of the odd moment of magic. so playing against them isn't that difficult. Playing against Sergio Aguero, David Silva, RVP, Steven Gerrard, Luis Suarez, etc etc is difficult for that group of 15, because they're unpredictable, they're brilliant and they make life fucking hard for them. They're world class. Charlie Adam, Jordan Henderson, Andy Carroll and Stewart Downing aren't.
A solid defence and good defensive midfielder are critical, no doubt. Quality in attack though is what we're missing. We have one and a half world class players in attack (Gerrard's not fit, ergo he's the half). So stopping us scoring is easier for most teams, than it is against say Man City, spurs, or United cos you only have to stop one player for the most part.
Look at Spurs front 6 on Sunday - Parker, Modric, Bale, Lennon, VDV, Adeabyor. Take Lennon out of that and Parker as he's the DM, and they're all absolute quality. all arguably world class players that can win a game on their own.
Man City - Dzeko, Aguero, Silva, Nasri, etc. Same again. You can stop one of them, two maybe, on a good day three of them, but then Adam Johnson comes off the bench and curls one in from 30 yards. And you're fucked.
United - Rooney, Hernandez, Nani, Young. Ditto.
so, there - we don't have enough world class players in attack. We have 1 and the other one's injured.
The other thing we don't have is clever enough players. I'm glad this fucking argument that I campaigned against for the last 3 years that 'pace is critical' has recently died away, because it's fucking bollocks. What pace does Silva have? Adam Johnson? Ashley Young? Modric? VDV? They don't need pace, cos they're fucking brilliant.
The best football team on the planet; Spain. Where's their pace? You see Iniesta tearing it up down the left wing? Nope, not required. They're footballers, and great ones at that. We need more intelligent footballers. Players that can interchange, retain possession, find space where others can't, pick a hole, drag opposition out of shape, find a goal from nothing, play the killer ball, all of that fucking great stuff that predictable footballers find difficult. Cos David Silva doesn't have pace, a rasping shot, he can't get down a wing, he's probably a shite crosser too, but none of that matters because he's another level above 99% of the dross that plays in the premier league, and that's the type of player I want. More of him, more of Rooney, more of Modric. They don't need to be defined by a position, we don't need a designated right winger, we just need the highest quality of footballer, then you let them play in a system that suits, alongside players that are on their wavelength.
I realise I'm not giving you names, that's not my point. 12 months ago I wouldn't have given you the name Luis suarez cos i knew fuck all about him. Ditto 24 months ago I probably wouldn't have thrown up the name Modric. But players like that exist, and until we change what seems to be a flawed transfer policy, we'll struggle to beat the 15 other teams because we don't have enough world class players.
Disclaimer - there are probably spelling and grammar mistakes all through this post. My apologies for that, I'm typing in one almighty rush.
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[/quote]Exactly mate, EXACTLY. Look at the first line you typed:
'Look at Downing, Carroll, Adam, Henderson, etc - you know what you're getting. Significantly, our opposition know what they're playing against too, because they're predictable and easier to nullify'
Im talking exclusively about Bellamy, Suarez and most importantly MAXI. He's always been a matchwinner. And he PROVED it last season and he is dropped time and again for the list of scopers you have above there.
Im never going to disagree we need better players, i was one of the most vocal when we spent all that fucking money in summer but i still think we could be flaying these shite teams with the front three above. As we did at the Cottage last year (for Bellers see Meireles)
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
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We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[/quote]Im not disputing that at all mate. Im just saying that we have had the team to win these games we are drawing and losing but we arent getting it right at all.
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Mate, I typed this 5 weeks ago, and is still my thought on the subject:
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Realistically, who would you bring in? Sincere question.
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I know this is a pretty shite response, but 'better players'.
Look at Downing, Carroll, Adam, Henderson, etc - you know what you're getting. Significantly, our opposition know what they're playing against too, because they're predictable and easier to nullify.
Winning the premier league isn't really about beating your opposition in the top 4, it's about betaing the other 15 bags of shit week in, week out - which Man United have done relentlessly for the last 20 years. To beat them you need players that they don't have, simple enough you might say, but they all have players of the calibre of Stewart Downing - players with some skills, a bit of directivity, and capable of the odd moment of magic. so playing against them isn't that difficult. Playing against Sergio Aguero, David Silva, RVP, Steven Gerrard, Luis Suarez, etc etc is difficult for that group of 15, because they're unpredictable, they're brilliant and they make life fucking hard for them. They're world class. Charlie Adam, Jordan Henderson, Andy Carroll and Stewart Downing aren't.
A solid defence and good defensive midfielder are critical, no doubt. Quality in attack though is what we're missing. We have one and a half world class players in attack (Gerrard's not fit, ergo he's the half). So stopping us scoring is easier for most teams, than it is against say Man City, spurs, or United cos you only have to stop one player for the most part.
Look at Spurs front 6 on Sunday - Parker, Modric, Bale, Lennon, VDV, Adeabyor. Take Lennon out of that and Parker as he's the DM, and they're all absolute quality. all arguably world class players that can win a game on their own.
Man City - Dzeko, Aguero, Silva, Nasri, etc. Same again. You can stop one of them, two maybe, on a good day three of them, but then Adam Johnson comes off the bench and curls one in from 30 yards. And you're fucked.
United - Rooney, Hernandez, Nani, Young. Ditto.
so, there - we don't have enough world class players in attack. We have 1 and the other one's injured.
The other thing we don't have is clever enough players. I'm glad this fucking argument that I campaigned against for the last 3 years that 'pace is critical' has recently died away, because it's fucking bollocks. What pace does Silva have? Adam Johnson? Ashley Young? Modric? VDV? They don't need pace, cos they're fucking brilliant.
The best football team on the planet; Spain. Where's their pace? You see Iniesta tearing it up down the left wing? Nope, not required. They're footballers, and great ones at that. We need more intelligent footballers. Players that can interchange, retain possession, find space where others can't, pick a hole, drag opposition out of shape, find a goal from nothing, play the killer ball, all of that fucking great stuff that predictable footballers find difficult. Cos David Silva doesn't have pace, a rasping shot, he can't get down a wing, he's probably a shite crosser too, but none of that matters because he's another level above 99% of the dross that plays in the premier league, and that's the type of player I want. More of him, more of Rooney, more of Modric. They don't need to be defined by a position, we don't need a designated right winger, we just need the highest quality of footballer, then you let them play in a system that suits, alongside players that are on their wavelength.
I realise I'm not giving you names, that's not my point. 12 months ago I wouldn't have given you the name Luis suarez cos i knew fuck all about him. Ditto 24 months ago I probably wouldn't have thrown up the name Modric. But players like that exist, and until we change what seems to be a flawed transfer policy, we'll struggle to beat the 15 other teams because we don't have enough world class players.
Disclaimer - there are probably spelling and grammar mistakes all through this post. My apologies for that, I'm typing in one almighty rush.
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[/quote]Exactly mate, EXACTLY. Look at the first line you typed:
'Look at Downing, Carroll, Adam, Henderson, etc - you know what you're getting. Significantly, our opposition know what they're playing against too, because they're predictable and easier to nullify'
Im talking exclusively about Bellamy, Suarez and most importantly MAXI. He's always been a matchwinner. And he PROVED it last season and he is dropped time and again for the list of scopers you have above there.
Im never going to disagree we need better players, i was one of the most vocal when we spent all that fucking money in summer but i still think we could be flaying these shite teams with the front three above. As we did at the Cottage last year (for Bellers see Meireles)
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
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We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[/quote]Im not disputing that at all mate. Im just saying that we have had the team to win these games we are drawing and losing but we arent getting it right at all.
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Yep, we obviously need better players but the ones we have at the minute are more than good enough to beat the likes of Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea, Fulham etc.
Kenny's simply getting his team selections and tactics wrong.
It's time to build our team around Bellamy, Maxi and Suarez, our 3 most dangerous players.
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I wouldn't build a team around Maxi and Bellamy. They won't be here for long.
I'd prefer to have a bit of patience.
[/quote]Aye, what on earth is the point on winning games with the players we have here at our disposal and pay 70k a week too, Better to let them rot on the bench and think pie eyed about the future.
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438764#msg1438764 date=1323126873]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438747#msg1438747 date=1323126480]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
[/quote]
We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[/quote]Im not disputing that at all mate. Im just saying that we have had the team to win these games we are drawing and losing but we arent getting it right at all.
[/quote]
Yep, we obviously need better players but the ones we have at the minute are more than good enough to beat the likes of Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea, Fulham etc.
Kenny's simply getting his team selections and tactics wrong.
It's time to build our team around Bellamy, Maxi and Suarez, our 3 most dangerous players.
[/quote]
I wouldn't build a team around Maxi and Bellamy. They won't be here for long.
I'd prefer to have a bit of patience.
[/quote]Aye, what on earth is the point on winning games with the players we have here at our disposal and pay 70k a week too, Better to let them rot on the bench and think pie eyed about the future.
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438764#msg1438764 date=1323126873]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438747#msg1438747 date=1323126480]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
[/quote]
We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[/quote]Im not disputing that at all mate. Im just saying that we have had the team to win these games we are drawing and losing but we arent getting it right at all.
[/quote]
Yep, we obviously need better players but the ones we have at the minute are more than good enough to beat the likes of Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea, Fulham etc.
Kenny's simply getting his team selections and tactics wrong.
It's time to build our team around Bellamy, Maxi and Suarez, our 3 most dangerous players.
[/quote]
I wouldn't build a team around Maxi and Bellamy. They won't be here for long.
I'd prefer to have a bit of patience.
[/quote]Aye, what on earth is the point on winning games with the players we have here at our disposal and pay 70k a week too, Better to let them rot on the bench and think pie eyed about the future.
[/quote]
Yep it's better to risk the development of 50m worth of young talent for the sake of getting 6th instead of 7th.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47803.msg1438782#msg1438782 date=1323127582]
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438764#msg1438764 date=1323126873]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438747#msg1438747 date=1323126480]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
[/quote]
We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[/quote]Im not disputing that at all mate. Im just saying that we have had the team to win these games we are drawing and losing but we arent getting it right at all.
[/quote]
Yep, we obviously need better players but the ones we have at the minute are more than good enough to beat the likes of Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea, Fulham etc.
Kenny's simply getting his team selections and tactics wrong.
It's time to build our team around Bellamy, Maxi and Suarez, our 3 most dangerous players.
[/quote]
I wouldn't build a team around Maxi and Bellamy. They won't be here for long.
I'd prefer to have a bit of patience.
[/quote]Aye, what on earth is the point on winning games with the players we have here at our disposal and pay 70k a week too, Better to let them rot on the bench and think pie eyed about the future.
[/quote]
Yep it's better to risk the development of 50m worth of young talent for the sake of getting 6th instead of 7th.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47803.msg1438789#msg1438789 date=1323127796]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438786#msg1438786 date=1323127697]
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438747#msg1438747 date=1323126480]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
[/quote]
We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[/quote]Im not disputing that at all mate. Im just saying that we have had the team to win these games we are drawing and losing but we arent getting it right at all.
[/quote]
Yep, we obviously need better players but the ones we have at the minute are more than good enough to beat the likes of Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea, Fulham etc.
Kenny's simply getting his team selections and tactics wrong.
It's time to build our team around Bellamy, Maxi and Suarez, our 3 most dangerous players.
[/quote]
I wouldn't build a team around Maxi and Bellamy. They won't be here for long.
I'd prefer to have a bit of patience.
[/quote]Aye, what on earth is the point on winning games with the players we have here at our disposal and pay 70k a week too, Better to let them rot on the bench and think pie eyed about the future.
[/quote]
Yep it's better to risk the development of 50m worth of young talent for the sake of getting 6th instead of 7th.
[/quote]Ross its fucking retarded to not play your best players because they wont be here next season. Totally retarded.
I cant even believe im talking about something so fucking retarded.
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47803.msg1438747#msg1438747 date=1323126480]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
[/quote]
We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[/quote]Im not disputing that at all mate. Im just saying that we have had the team to win these games we are drawing and losing but we arent getting it right at all.
[/quote]
Yep, we obviously need better players but the ones we have at the minute are more than good enough to beat the likes of Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea, Fulham etc.
Kenny's simply getting his team selections and tactics wrong.
It's time to build our team around Bellamy, Maxi and Suarez, our 3 most dangerous players.
[/quote]
I wouldn't build a team around Maxi and Bellamy. They won't be here for long.
I'd prefer to have a bit of patience.
[/quote]Aye, what on earth is the point on winning games with the players we have here at our disposal and pay 70k a week too, Better to let them rot on the bench and think pie eyed about the future.
[/quote]
Yep it's better to risk the development of 50m worth of young talent for the sake of getting 6th instead of 7th.
[/quote]Ross its fucking retarded to not play your best players because they wont be here next season. Totally retarded.
I cant even believe im talking about something so fucking retarded.
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47803.msg1438778#msg1438778 date=1323127369]
everyone can see we need better players but we've spent the last two seasons out of the CL, aren't located in the capital and don't pay the highest wages. we were having the exact same arguements in the summer and will probably have the same arguements in the coming summer.
we needed our summer signings to hit the ground running and unfortunately enrique and adam aside they haven't.
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If you were sitting beside me right now, I would push your face into the keyboard and make you eat the fucking keys.
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what a lovely image.
okay, which quality player was bought in the last two transfer windows (when kenny spent money) that didn't;
a) move for ridiculous wages (for that's a big fee AND big wages)
b) move to a club in the CL
c) move tot he capital
I can only think of suarez, the only player I can think of and we got him.
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everyone can see we need better players but we've spent the last two seasons out of the CL, aren't located in the capital and don't pay the highest wages. we were having the exact same arguements in the summer and will probably have the same arguements in the coming summer.
we needed our summer signings to hit the ground running and unfortunately enrique and adam aside they haven't.
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If you were sitting beside me right now, I would push your face into the keyboard and make you eat the fucking keys.
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what a lovely image.
okay, which quality player was bought in the last two transfer windows (when kenny spent money) that didn't;
a) move for ridiculous wages (for that's a big fee AND big wages)
b) move to a club in the CL
c) move tot he capital
I can only think of suarez, the only player I can think of and we got him.
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
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We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[/quote]Im not disputing that at all mate. Im just saying that we have had the team to win these games we are drawing and losing but we arent getting it right at all.
[/quote]
Yep, we obviously need better players but the ones we have at the minute are more than good enough to beat the likes of Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea, Fulham etc.
Kenny's simply getting his team selections and tactics wrong.
It's time to build our team around Bellamy, Maxi and Suarez, our 3 most dangerous players.
[/quote]
I wouldn't build a team around Maxi and Bellamy. They won't be here for long.
I'd prefer to have a bit of patience.
[/quote]Aye, what on earth is the point on winning games with the players we have here at our disposal and pay 70k a week too, Better to let them rot on the bench and think pie eyed about the future.
[/quote]
Yep it's better to risk the development of 50m worth of young talent for the sake of getting 6th instead of 7th.
[/quote]Ross its fucking retarded to not play your best players because they wont be here next season. Totally retarded.
I cant even believe im talking about something so fucking retarded.
[/quote]I suspect Kenny and others at the club disagree with you
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47803.msg1438740#msg1438740 date=1323126280]
So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
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We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[/quote]Im not disputing that at all mate. Im just saying that we have had the team to win these games we are drawing and losing but we arent getting it right at all.
[/quote]
Yep, we obviously need better players but the ones we have at the minute are more than good enough to beat the likes of Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea, Fulham etc.
Kenny's simply getting his team selections and tactics wrong.
It's time to build our team around Bellamy, Maxi and Suarez, our 3 most dangerous players.
[/quote]
I wouldn't build a team around Maxi and Bellamy. They won't be here for long.
I'd prefer to have a bit of patience.
[/quote]Aye, what on earth is the point on winning games with the players we have here at our disposal and pay 70k a week too, Better to let them rot on the bench and think pie eyed about the future.
[/quote]
Yep it's better to risk the development of 50m worth of young talent for the sake of getting 6th instead of 7th.
[/quote]Ross its fucking retarded to not play your best players because they wont be here next season. Totally retarded.
I cant even believe im talking about something so fucking retarded.
[/quote]I suspect Kenny and others at the club disagree with you
I think it goes without saying that we won't make the top four.
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So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
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We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[/quote]Im not disputing that at all mate. Im just saying that we have had the team to win these games we are drawing and losing but we arent getting it right at all.
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Yep, we obviously need better players but the ones we have at the minute are more than good enough to beat the likes of Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea, Fulham etc.
Kenny's simply getting his team selections and tactics wrong.
It's time to build our team around Bellamy, Maxi and Suarez, our 3 most dangerous players.
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I wouldn't build a team around Maxi and Bellamy. They won't be here for long.
I'd prefer to have a bit of patience.
[/quote]Aye, what on earth is the point on winning games with the players we have here at our disposal and pay 70k a week too, Better to let them rot on the bench and think pie eyed about the future.
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Yep it's better to risk the development of 50m worth of young talent for the sake of getting 6th instead of 7th.
[/quote]Ross its fucking retarded to not play your best players because they wont be here next season. Totally retarded.
I cant even believe im talking about something so fucking retarded.
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Short term pain for long term gain.
It's retarded to spend 50m on Henderson and Carroll. (FULL STOP) It's even more retarded to pay for them and then not try to develop them. I genuinely believe that's the path we've chosen, that we're aiming at a title shot in 2 years time. So stopping the development of those players for marginal improvement in the league this season isn't worth it.
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So it turns out we need more world class players?
Really, who would have known.
[/quote]Obviously we DO need more class players but sitting one out every week and playing shite isnt helping.
What I mean is I dont REAAAALLLY think we needed more 'world class' players to beat Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea and Fulham. We needed better formation, tactics and use of the fucking good players we have.
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We do. We need better players Andy, it's absolutely what we need.
[/quote]Im not disputing that at all mate. Im just saying that we have had the team to win these games we are drawing and losing but we arent getting it right at all.
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Yep, we obviously need better players but the ones we have at the minute are more than good enough to beat the likes of Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea, Fulham etc.
Kenny's simply getting his team selections and tactics wrong.
It's time to build our team around Bellamy, Maxi and Suarez, our 3 most dangerous players.
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I wouldn't build a team around Maxi and Bellamy. They won't be here for long.
I'd prefer to have a bit of patience.
[/quote]Aye, what on earth is the point on winning games with the players we have here at our disposal and pay 70k a week too, Better to let them rot on the bench and think pie eyed about the future.
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Yep it's better to risk the development of 50m worth of young talent for the sake of getting 6th instead of 7th.
[/quote]Ross its fucking retarded to not play your best players because they wont be here next season. Totally retarded.
I cant even believe im talking about something so fucking retarded.
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Short term pain for long term gain.
It's retarded to spend 50m on Henderson and Carroll. (FULL STOP) It's even more retarded to pay for them and then not try to develop them. I genuinely believe that's the path we've chosen, that we're aiming at a title shot in 2 years time. So stopping the development of those players for marginal improvement in the league this season isn't worth it.
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