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Why Leicester are title challengers again

Discussion in 'The Football Forum' started by King Binny, Nov 25, 2019.

  1. 6TimesaRed

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    Liverpool fans celebrating their 18th League title vs Liverpool fans celebrating their 19th League title[​IMG]
     
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    King Binny Very Well-Known Honorary Member

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  3. Dreambeliever

    Dreambeliever Looking on the brightside Member

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    Which long shot won the league in 95/96?
     
  4. lfc.eddie

    lfc.eddie Active Member

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    Ah, sorry got the year wrong - 94/95.
     
  5. My_Blood_Bleeds_Red

    My_Blood_Bleeds_Red Very Active Member

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    Should we be worried about Leicester ?

    They are like the poo that would not be flushed.
     
  6. rurikbird

    rurikbird Part of the Furniture Honorary Member

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    I was about to post something similar. Brendan is an excellent trainer and skilled tactician (and a beautiful human being, obviously), but it's a blessing in disguise that this Leicester team already came to him fully (and masterfully) assembled by someone else. When it comes to depth and breadth of scouting knowledge, particularly when it comes to other leagues, he is several levels below Klopp. Jurgen seems to have at a minimum a passing knowledge about pretty much every young player in Europe worth following; he knew about Wijnaldum since his early days in Feyenoord, was a fan of Mane back when he was playing for Salzburg and somehow knew about Joe Gomez while still managing in Dortmund. His total lack of cultural prejudice and confidence in his own ability to recognize talent helped him find many under-the-radar talents – the likes of Kagawa, Lewandowski, Robbo, etc. Whereas Rodgers' vision was so narrow that he honestly couldn't think of a better standard-bearer of his playing style at Liverpool than Joe Allen, who happened to play for him at Swansea, and many of his other buys or attempted buys frankly showed the imagination of a caterpillar.

    Maybe by now he's learned from his experience of butting heads with Liverpool's transfer "committee" and will now be smart and humble enough to focus mainly on coaching. But I suspect the longer he's in charge of Leicester, the worse their squad is going to become.
     
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  7. Frogfish

    Frogfish Gone to Redcafe Member

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    They've beaten both Spurs (2-1) and Arsenal (2-1) and drew away at Chelsea (1-1). Yes I know it's debatable to call all of them 'top teams' at this moment.

    You are making a lot of assumptions with regard to Rodgers and player management. His issues in that regard were years ago now.  VAR decisions going in their favour doesn't mean they were wrong so not a 'gain' of 10 points but just in effect 'justice'. That doesn't mean VAR will be advantageous to any team over the second half of the season. Unless you are a conspiracy theorist of course.

    All that said I don't want to disrespect this Leicester team and I believe they will keep going (with no Euro football and now a 6 point advantage) and may run City close for second. For the title though it comes down to mathematics. Leicester have dropped 10 points in their first 16 games, extrapolating from that it is likely that there are another 13-14 points they'll drop over the remaining 22 games (to say nothing of what may happen if they are under title winning pressure). I don't believe, and I really doubt anyone of sound mind does, that they can reel off 14-17 wins on the trot, that City or Liverpool are capable of doing.

    Therefore that's, let's say, being generous, 13 points plus the 8 they are already behind, so that's 21 points that they'll need us to drop.  For example over the next 22 games :  LFC 12-6-3 and LCFC  15-5-2. For Leicester that may be realistic on their 1st half of the season form but for Liverpool 12-6-3 is clearly very very unlikely and for every extra point we gain on 12-6-3 it means LCFC would need to be even better than that 15-5-2, which really doesn't seem realistic. The Bookies odds of 30/1 against Leicester winning the title seems overly generous however even at 10/1 it is realistic of the true likelihood of it happening.

    City vs Leicester on the 21st and then our visit to Leicester on the 26th will be massive in deciding if Leicester can challenge us or whether just 14 or 15 wins would be more than sufficient to see us home (but I'd love to see us beat City's record) !
     
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  8. lfc.eddie

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    I think you might want to give Zorc a lot of credit on some of those names mentioned, like Kagawa and Lewandowski. Robertson is not someone he looked at, nor Salah, I think that credit should be given to our recruitment department.

    I also don't think Rodgers is a good tactician as he only knows how to setup his team when it worked well, as soon as something goes wrong and he needed to chop and change, that is where he started to fail. Cast your mind back at his days with us, he wanted to play his Swansea style and found that results weren't forthcoming. So he switched to having to accommodate Sturridge and Suarez in the line up while needing to include Gerrard in the setup. He stumbled across a winning formula and went with it for 18 months. As soon as we lost Suarez, he reverted back to his Swansea style of play and again not getting much results out of it. He then changed to a 3 back, and that stopped us from leaking goals but not scoring enough to go top. He had some 11 or 12 unbeaten run until it went unhinged against United. That's where he lost confidence in his 3 back setup and changed it again, and downhill we went from there.

    So I don't think he is a master tactician, good coach no doubt. A master tactician will always be able to do well in Europe, at least to the knockout stages.

    Spurs and Arsenal aren't exactly teams around them mate.... Chelsea took a point off them, that's my point. :)
     
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    Those were different eras. Money was not as much THE driving force in the game as it is today.

    2015/16 was an anomaly with all of the top 6 undergoing transformation/regeneration, which isn't the case today with us or City's £1 billion squad (that depth compensates to a greater degree). Leicester won that with 81 points FFS (and 10 points clear!). It's pointless even bringing it up as far as relevance goes.
     
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    Spurs will absolutely be contending for 4th. Form vs Class etc. So yes definitely around them. And if I remember correctly then Arsenal were much higher placved than now at the time they played Leicester.
     
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    Alright, you win.

    Not going to make any point about how good or bad Leicester is in a Liverpool forum. Learnt my lesson awhile back.
     
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    ?  Blackburn Rovers were hardly a surprise.
    They spent an absolute fortune on their team at the time and went from 4th in 93, to 2nd in 94 to champions in 95.
     
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    Another one I've just seen on Twitter:

    Liverpool : Pts46  P16 PPG 2.875
    Leicester : Pts35  P15 PPG 2.33
    Man City :  Pts32 P16 PPG 2
    If Liverpool's closest rivals, Leicester manage to perform at their current level, they are set to achieve 88.54 points.
    In order to achieve 90 points Liverpool need just 44 points from 22 games, which is basically top 4 form.
     
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    Leicester will probably need to win 19 out of their last 22 games to have a chance. That’s not going to happen.
     
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    They've been very impressive no doubt about it, but I'll only start to take them seriously if they beat City & Us.
     
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    Winning 30 games a season will almost guarantee you the title.
     
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    How are Leicester doing for injuries? Have they had many?
     
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    Mystic Moderator Moderator

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    No, it was Chelsea and Leicesters point.
     
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    No, not really. Currently only Matthew James out, while Childwell missed a game or two.
     
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    You guys are taking Leicester and Rodgers far too lightly. They dispatched Aston Villa 4-1 away. We struggled to beat them 2-1 if I remember.  They could very well turn us over as they seem to be improving with each game.
     

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