I'm happy to accept and go with that !
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Stevie's closet.
Are you imaging that we could sign a top class CB on a loan?
Just because we didn't make a final bid doesn't mean that we weren't having talks with Southampton. Maybe they just told to not even bother making a bid and we didn't.
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Talk we faced sanctions if we bid without being invited to.
Not sure how that works give the FA said there was a lack of proof we tapped him up. The whole episode is embarrassingy amateur. I'm surprised VVD remains even at all interested in us.
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Not sure how that works give the FA said there was a lack of proof we tapped him up. The whole episode is embarrassingy amateur. I'm surprised VVD remains even at all interested in us.
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This. And at this stage he probably doesn't.
Nah more just curious if we could get someone in at all
I'd imagine he knows every move we made, and Southampton's, via his agent.
As a club we're surely entitled to inquire without being invited. Not many clubs invite another club to bid for a player. I do think we owe VVD now - we got him convinced he should join us, then cocked it up, and left him to try to force his club to let the deal happen. It's very delicate - we can't blunder into another tapping up controversy, but we need to keep up some kind of discreet contact with his representatives, in the hope we can get him in January.
He and his agent are also culpable in this, so let's not make this a one way street.
Also, if reports are to be believed Southampton went from (a) he was going nowhere, (b) if they were to sell it would be to anybody but Liverpool, (c) his contract had a clause allowing his moving after two years and (d) it would take a mind-blowing offer [from Liverpool] to get him. It's probably all of the above, quite possibly at the same time, too. I'm betting that we've kept the channels open on this one. If another move fails, life still goes on ...
Also, if reports are to be believed Southampton went from (a) he was going nowhere, (b) if they were to sell it would be to anybody but Liverpool, (c) his contract had a clause allowing his moving after two years and (d) it would take a mind-blowing offer [from Liverpool] to get him. It's probably all of the above, quite possibly at the same time, too. I'm betting that we've kept the channels open on this one. If another move fails, life still goes on ...
Late bloomer.
Saw him play for Celtic a few times thought he was meh.
Probably because he is meh, and plays better with a shield in front of him
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You're a good sort
Hehe...could be.
Definitely makes his work a lot easier, but he does have some individual skill sets that set him apart from other defenders as well. Maybe the move to England gave him the necessary motivation to excel.
I don't know...it still baffles me that he was our only CB option.
It's possible there were other options, but Klopp was salty as fuck and told the club to shut the fuck up this time. Thus it was never leaked and we never heard about it. Without those usual leaking and public tapping up rituals, there was no leverage for us to get the deal done, thus it looks like we did nothing.
I didn't see us get linked with any other defender out there.
Precisely.
So you think it was all a part of the plan to finally end up with no CB?
It shouldn't. Season after season we've gone for those other "options" and watched them fail to improve us. It seems that Klopp wants to see the back of that approach, and I agree with him. If he reckons that no other realistic option was actually better than what we have, he and we were absolutely right not to sign one.
No that wasn't the plan. You couldn't understand what we were thinking having no other alternatives, so I used my superior brain to identify alternative explanations and motivations for the club's actions, Littlefinger style. I determined that after we were grassed up by Southampton, Klopp was furious, he overreacted, and then demanded that the club don't use underhanded methods lest they mess up the alternative target. Thereafter, the media was never briefed about the alternative which is why you have assumed one doesn't exist. Furthermore, without the pressure of leaks to the media and getting in the targets ear using secret meetings and tapping up, we unsurprisingly failed to make any progress and couldn't get the transfer done.
That theory ignores both Oxlade Chamberlain & Lemar coming out & saying they only want to play for us.
That doesn't happen unless they've already spoken to us & want to buy what we're selling, meaning we were still tapping up, I just assume we're not being so blatant about it.
That doesn't happen unless they've already spoken to us & want to buy what we're selling, meaning we were still tapping up, I just assume we're not being so blatant about it.
When did lemar say that about us? I thought he just didn't want arsenal
Then again, maybe not. Decent player but it's no accident he found his niche in a team managed by Tony Pulis. Guardiola's not the first coach I'd turn to for advice on defensive matters.
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