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The business of football - what do you want to know?

Discussion in 'The Football Forum' started by Beamrider, Dec 5, 2019.

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  1. Beamrider

    Beamrider Active Member

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    Afternoon all. I am a long-time lurker making a first post. Until recently I was working within football and I haven't posted until now as I've been wary of giving away anything that would be confidential or sensitive.

    So a question for you, are there any particular aspects of how the football business works that you'd like to understand a bit more? e.g. transfers, player contracts, commercial deals etc.

    I can't claim to know everything, but would be happy to provide whatever insight I can if you want to offer up some topics. This will be mainly generic rather than specific to any individuals or clubs within football. I will be happy to give some comment on how I think some of these issues will affect LFC, which will might help explain some of the club's decisions in recent years, but this will only be my speculation.

    Please don't ask who I worked for or what I used to do as I won't be telling. Think of me as kind of a boring, suited version of the secret footballer, a "Scouse Rambler" if you like...
     
  2. LeTallecWiz

    LeTallecWiz Mo(ssa)d Administrator

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    sure, tell us more about how transfers work.
     
  3. manwithnoname

    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Banned

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    Hahahahahahaha

    This should be good.
     
  4. Modo

    Modo A contentious scando Member

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    My thinking as well.

    OK, I'll bite...

    How does a team submit a transfer bid?
    Like who do they call, fax, email or whatever...
     
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  5. manwithnoname

    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Banned

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    I fucking know this one! Ghostbusters!
     
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    gene hughes Part of the Furniture Member

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    Transfers are so weird.
     
  7. Modo

    Modo A contentious scando Member

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    Haha..brought that on myself.
     
  8. Mango Chutney

    Mango Chutney SCM Follower Member

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    Can you tell us where the Arteta money went?
    Cheers
     
  9. manwithnoname

    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Banned

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    I like "swap deals" the best.

    "We don't want this player. Do you want him? Who do you have that you don't want, that we might want?"

    I imagine it goes like that, anyway. Then Sam Allardyce drinks a pint of gravy mixed with wine.
     
  10. manwithnoname

    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Banned

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    This beamrider's taking his time. No wonder he doesn't work in football anymore.

    Time is money, beamers! GET ON WITH IT.
     
  11. Bradley

    Bradley Well-Known Member

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    How many hours does a first team player work in a week?
     
  12. momoWASboss

    momoWASboss Very Well-Known Member

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    Is there really someone at the club who goes round handing out hush money to slags who was banged by a player?
     
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    manwithnoname Bravo old man. Bravo. Banned

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    Someone's got their eyes on a "dream job"
     
  14. Beamrider

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    I'm trying to post a reply here (funnily enough I had something prepared on the transfer question) but 6CM thinks I'm spamming. Any ideas on how a noob would get around this (it's a long summary and I'm trying to copy and paste rather than re-type)...
     
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    momoWASboss Very Well-Known Member

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    Post some more. I heard the general election thread is good.
     
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    Woland Part of the Furniture Member

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    Why did Dalglish insist Carroll went to Sam Allerdyce's agent before he signed him?
     
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    OK, trying to do this piecemeal. Please save any questions until I've finished.



    Short version:

    Transfers will be more dependent on cash than profit. Most transfer spending is spread in instalments over 3 years so every transfer will affect the year when it takes place and the next two years.

    Since cash doesn't always equal profit, clubs may be able to spend in years when they've made no profit or not spend in years where they made profit. For example, with LFC, we've not started repaying the loan for the Main Stand expansion and are spending money on the training ground. We've also still got instalments to pay on some big transfers (Keita, Alisson, Van Dijk) whilst our incoming transfer money (Coutinho) will be due to dry up soon. As a result, even though we had a good season last year and made a large profit the year before (due to the Coutinho sale) we may not be flush with cash. This would explain why we didn't spend much last year.

    More to follow....
     
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    Woland Part of the Furniture Member

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    This is great banter. It really is
     
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    Example transfer. Let's say a club is signing a player for a fee of £40m and the player is getting wages of £120k per week on a 5 year contract.

    The basic fee will probably be split into 3 instalments of £13.3m - one payable at the time of the transfer, and then 2 further payments after 12 and 24 months.

    If the transfer is from an English club, the club will also pay a levy of 4% of the total fee (£1.6m) to the FA. This is payable in full, up-front. The money paid to the FA funds its expenses and the player's pension fund. In theory, some of this could be refunded if the FA has a surplus.

    For an international transfer, a different regime (solidarity) applies. The applicable percentage is up to 5% (depending on the player's age) and this is shared with the clubs responsible for the player's development. This is payable by the selling club, but it may be passed on to the buying club by way of an increased fee (e.g. they might insist on a fee of £42m, so they have £40m left after making the deductions). When you hear about small clubs getting a windfall from a big deal, it is usually due to solidarity.

    More to follow...
     
  20. Woland

    Woland Part of the Furniture Member

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    Honestly, this is amazing
     
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