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Something Strange Afoot

Discussion in 'The Football Forum' started by Halmeister, Sep 12, 2020.

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  1. Halmeister

    Halmeister Some sort of pun about having a well known member Member

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    Yes. Another Liverpool finances thread, of sorts. (Mods, by all means merge it with an existing thread if necessary).

    As I've said elsewhere, in the last 4 transfer windows, we've spent a third of what today's opponents, Leeds (formerly of the Championship), have spent in the last month.

    Now, I don't want us to be like a City or a Chelsea, and I want us to be smart with our money, unlike Everton (God knows we've had enough of splurging money on absolute shite over the past 3 decades), but something strange is going on here, isn't it? FSG have completely starved us of transfer funds, it seems.

    Are they keeping everything ridiculously close to their chest? The Fabinho signing came out the blue. Alisson signed relatively quickly after the story first broke.

    Or are they asset stripping the club? Or something else businessy that I don't understand? Are they banking on Klopp's genius to keep us successful while this team is whittled down and sold off piece by piece?

    Let's look at the facts. They're quite frugal as it is anyway, often pointing to Financial Fair Play as one of the chief reasons to be cautious. Then the pandemic hits. It's going to affect everyone. We may even have to furlough staff. Fair enough. Cash is tight.

    But then no other cunt takes FFP seriously except us. Everyone is still out there splurging silly money during the pandemic. There has been no rebalancing of the market. Nathan Akes are still being sold for £40m. Everton (fucking Everton!) are still outspending us dozens of times over.

    Meanwhile, we're selling off players and not replacing them. We've been left with Virgil at centre back, and two ridiculously injury prone players to accompany him. That's it. And Klopp has come out and said that we're going to have to be "creative" and hope for the best? We've been crying out for back up in the attacking areas, but we're not interested in sorting that out. In fact, we're actively hawking out one of our top young prospects in that position who looks ready to break through and offer some worth to the team. The Thiago transfer is nonsense, lads, it's not happening. Sorry. And we look like we might lose Wijnaldum either for a reduced fee, or free next summer.

    What's going on? We can't be skint. If we're skint, every other club bar City and Chelsea and United are fucked.

    It's a good job Klopp is here and seems okay to be working under these conditions. But I don't know if these owners are taking advantage of that, or if there's some plan in place. Judging by the last couple of years, though, the plan seems to be, "ah, it's alright. Klopp will sort it out."
     
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    Woland Part of the Furniture Member

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    Occam's razor. You don't have to look any further than the most likely explanation: FSG are shapeshifting reptilians from another galaxy
     
  3. Rosco

    Rosco Worse than Brendan Honorary Member

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    The problem is they seem to be close to their end game with the club.

    Buy it for 300m, increase the club value , then sell a minority stake for 300m+. Basically a free asset.

    They may be repaying the loans the club has outstanding (to FSG) otherwise the 9 figure losses don't make sense
     
  4. Dreambeliever

    Dreambeliever From Doubter to Believer -Cashed out to Cashed Up Member

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    It’s astounding really. Granted our wage bill is astronomical to keep the best players here instead of having to replace them.
     
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    My_Blood_Bleeds_Red Well-Known Member

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    I’ll tell you what don’t make sense too.

    Everton.

    Heavy spenders last few transfer windows and yet they win nothing. Can’t even qualify for Europe.
     
  6. FoxForceFive

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    Re the end game, I think they're looking further ahead. The streaming deal is edging painfully closer, & there'll be a lot of wailing & gnashing of teeth, threats to leave leagues etc, but it'll will get there within three to four seasons imo.

    Then our clubs value will be HUGE. That global fan base will be an asset you can attach an actual tangible number to.
     
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    We play our players relatively low wages.

    The wage bill is huge cos when we win shiny things the prize & tv money mostly goes to their bonuses.

    Cos we keep winning things we keep paying out shitloads of money.

    If this were a non covid world then this season that wouldn't be an issue cos we'd have cleaned up off the pitch this summer in so many ways, but it's isn't, so we didn't.

    It's shit, but fuck it, it can't be helped.
     
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    mark1975 Moderator Moderator

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    What are the chances of the streaming deals being brought forward, with them citing the ongoing uncertainty about Covid as a reasonable reason to bring it in quicker, to appease the match goers.
     
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    the count SCM's least favourite muppet Honorary Member

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    I would have proposed something similar in another thread.
    I suspect the final nail in the coffin of FFP,  with Man city having their case overturned by CAS, is the real driver of their actions right now.
    If they are planning to sell soon, it doesn't make sense for them to inject cash into the club for players purchases if those players don't increase the value of the club by more than that amount.
     
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    the count SCM's least favourite muppet Honorary Member

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    I would think already this would be reflected in the sale price of the club.
    Perhaps FSG believe that we have reached the pinnacle of our on field success and can sell us at the maximum price now. Pitching the up coming increase in revenue streams as a reason for an increased current valuation of the club, while perhaps not actually believing that this will happen as they project.
     
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    It needs to happen..

    The problem here is the premier league will want revenue spread evenly amongst clubs for any deal of such nature, where as the big clubs will want any receipt for 'e-season tickets' to go exclusivity to them, and arguably quite rightly so.

    The danger of that for the premier league is the for the premier league brand being torn apart and we end up with TV deals similar to what has been the Model in Spain in previous years, rather than the long term plan with the Premier League of a Netflix style approach of TV broadcasting for the Premier League..

    Eseason tickets will be global..

    If they don't do something soon that suits all. they are just going to increase illegal streaming tenfold, disgruntled match gooers will be wanting to find ways to watch football.. Given every game is broadcasted over seas, but you cant get anywhere near the same service in this country..
     
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    Athens Greatest Bloke Ever [Citation Needed] Member

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    Do you know when someone runs a successful business, like a bar, and then they want to make more money but end up doing stupid things like squeezing more people in on a Saturday night which ends up being counter productive because then people can't even get served? Well, I don't know what I'm talking about, do I look like Richard "Alan Sugar" Branson?
     
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    The streaming deal is still a way off cos any broadcast deal needs all clubs to sign off on it, & currently it's split equally (more or less), so for 14 or so clubs it'd be like turkeys voting for Christmas.

    The covid situation, more streaming, 3pm blackout being temporarily lifted etc, will inevitably push the argument nearer, but there's still a fair few hurdles left.

    As for it being reflected in the clubs value, I don't think it is yet, bot fully. Maybe we're worth 10% more cos it may happen in future, but until these hurdles start being overcome there's no way it pushed the clubs value up & reflects the power that it would gain the club.

    FWIW, I'm dead against it in that format (individual club deals) cos it will weaken the league & long term damage the entire country's footballing infrastructure IMO.
     
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    I think any e season ticket deals offered by the club in any deal.. revenue.. should be exclusive to the club..

    Why should Burnley, etc etc receive a proportion of 'gate revenue' in any such deal ?  Like I say the PL will be reluctant for any such model as it will risk destroying the current PL brand, but the regular match gooer will miss out and turn to illegal streaming to fill that 3 o'clock Kick off match day void.which can risk damaging the PL brand further too..

    I cannot believe we are entering a new season, and there is no simple way for a Season Ticket holder to access games via the club..

    All quite simply a sorry mess and the Premier League's greed is simply to blame for this..
     
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    Halmeister Some sort of pun about having a well known member Member

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    Nah, things need to be spread evenly across the league. We have a relatively competitive league, and even then, there's only 6 teams that really ever challenge. If clubs start negotiating their own TV rights deals, we'll end up with a situation like they have in Spain and Scotland - a league dominated by two clubs. Of course it will be good for Liverpool, but for the good of the game itself, it needs to be looked at objectively.
     
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    I'm not talking about current TV rights

    I'm taking about clubs having the ability to offer eseason tickets for regular match goers or would be match goers

    This pandemic aint going away any time soon, and clubs should have the ability to offer streaming services to their own fans..

    The Netflix style approach the PL want cant be offered until the the next PL TV deal is put on the table and any Eseason ticket offer could potentially upset current broadcasting deals..  So there are issues that need ironing out .

    It's beyond ridiculous we have all this modern technology and still the best way to watch football in this country right now.. is through illegal streaming
     
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    In normal business it's very difficult to sell when you're at your peak, as there's nowhere for the new owner to develop out. Seen this quite a bit lately. But this isn't a normal business. Some psychopath will probably want us as a toy.
     
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    no offence to o.p,i'm new round here and they've been kicking round a long time but w.t.f is it with the account bollox that infests LFC talk.We won the fucking league and those players haven't suddenly turned into league 2 hoofers and although Jurgen got the LMA award he isn't gonna go all Alan Pardew.The transfer,money wah boo hoo from our fans is...i dunno what, saddo's on a wind up?
     
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    I must re read his post and see where @Halmeister said that the team were turning into league two cloggers amd Klopp into Alan fucking Pardew
     
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    For someone who espouses socialist beliefs much of the time you've just blatantly gone against that mate.

    The reason all the other teams (every professional team, not just PL) should get some of the cash is cos that cash literally helps the game stay at healthy at every level, which leads to great young English players being produced so often, & it helps keeps community's who have been devastated economically having hope, belief & something to rally round that isn't a betting shop or off licence, all over the country.

    To think in pure terms of how if effects our club is myopic, the bigger picture is huge & transcends football.
     
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