Discussion in 'The Football Forum' started by Dreambeliever, Oct 3, 2019.
Mane is on course to become player of the season. Not just ours...
Sadio is on the rise.
Mo is on the decline.
Yeah Salah has declined a lot between his two goals a few days ago and his performance today.
No real point assessing it like that.
It's months/seasons and he's clearly declining.
He goes from PL POTY and Ballon d'or nominee to going 11 games or whatever it was without a goal last season.
& this season the performances have been quite bad, consistently bad.
Yeah totally agree, Mo is finished now - @binomial is spot on.
I'm not sure whether Klopp trusted Mo today to track the runs of Chiwell and Perreira, which is why Mane played a lot of the game on the right and then Bobby on the left.
Salah, for all his individual brilliance, is the least defensively responsible player we have.
It's why I feel like we do have to cut Trent some slack, because he doesn't get as much protection as Robbo does (who also has VVD on his side of the pitch).
While I think that is fair on Trent I am not so sure if it is entirely on Mo. Not questioning that he isn't the least defensive minded of our attackers but I think that sometimes he stays high on instruction as a tactic and he becomes our out ball from defence when launching a long counter. Which means that our right side is the more vulnerable to opposition attacks.
Of course, that's true. He is.
But there's no hiding the fact that the effort he puts in to retrieve a ball he's lost is very inconsistent. Sometimes it's half arsed, and other times it's great.
I voted Mané but people are seriously talking down Salah, hes an amazing player and any team in the league would love to have him.
I know - just look at the mans goal-scoring record. It is a joke how suddenly it feels like he is a bit part or something. Today was Mane's day and maybe the next game Salah will be the hero. The great thing is - it is usually one of the front three that will show up. Anyway the winning streak is about to end in our next game, we have not beaten them at Old Toilet for 2 seasons now, don't think it will change this time round.
There was a moment in the first half where Salah was sprinting back covering like a CB he was amazing. I was stunned. He can do it he just doesn’t enough.
To make ammends... it was right after he lost the ball with a lazy outside of the foot pass right to an opponent. Of course he can do it... he just doesnt 95% of the time... which wasn't the case before he became Superman for a year.
Thats why the way to make Liverpool less vulnerable to attack yesterday was to put Salah at CF.
It's like people trying to pick between Messi & Ronaldo ... to do so, you have to talk down another player but it's relative to the levels they're at. We're talking about two of the best players in the world currently - that I don't think anyone can debate.
Actually I think almost everyone in this thread is debating that
Does he have a point?
The main reason that we have less clean sheets is because Alisson, who is a huge level above Adrian, is out. Salah has a massive net impact on goals for Vs against.
No it isn't. We were conceding in preseason and the early games with Allison, it's probably more down to early season and getting up to speed fitness wise after such a hectic season, it's hard to maintain that level of energy, pressing and concentration for long periods of time. We're still defensively very good in most basic ways, we're organised, we have players who commit to throwing their bodies on the lines to prevent a chance and we're generally a hardworking team.
Aside from the odd gaff early on, Adrian has been a good stand in, us conceding more is nothing to do with the goalkeeping situation.
Agree with most of that, but I wouldn't say it categorically has nothing to do with Allison being out, it's likely a contributory factor, albeit not a massive one, simply cos there's other less tangible impacts it may have, like the defenders not being quite as brave cos they haven't the best keeper in the world behind them, or the opposition feeling they may have a chance at scoring for the same reason.
I agree with all but the last part of your last sentence. Having a better keeper, which Alisson undeniably is, helps everyone. Adrian hasn't made (many) mistakes, but Alisson, like VDV, makes everyone more confident and leads to is conceding less.