Pre Match - Brentford (H) - Sun 14:00
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Let's wait and see. His initially excellent work at Southampton petered out after he got them up into midtable, then after sterling work to get Tottenham to the CL Final against us he failed to take the final step in a match they should have won, given how we played on the day. Not all managers can do every kind of job - GH for example was what we needed to clean the stables and win cups but wasn't able to take us on to the biggest prizes. Time will tell.
Rafa in the current age won’t have got over 97 points to get anywhere near City.
I think the Trent criticism is overdone. Let’s not forget he’s being tasked with this hybrid role by Klopp and not just swanning around the pitch as his desire takes him…. And he’s about 20 games into the new role whilst playing alongside a brand new midfield.
There’s plenty of room for improvement but there’s not many in the world that could play that dual role effectively.
There’s plenty of room for improvement but there’s not many in the world that could play that dual role effectively.
Why don't Klopp and Virgil give it to him before the game, then we can have angry Tent immediately...
I just find it interesting that when Trent was criticized before this season, for being a shit defender and was lacking in effort, posters get alot of stick for it, including myself. I actually thought he has defended much better this season. He still gets skinned rather easily by just anybody, but at least he is covering his blind side and trying to play like a defender when he finds himself back there. How often he gets back though is another question but we won't know exactly what are Klopp's instructions for him.
Yes but here's the crux - he isn't effective. At either position. We've lost 'brilliant attacking RB Trent' and have some weird hybrid. We're winning despite him - not because of him.
Yes, he did finish up what Ali started with that save, that's fair. He was also the player asleep at the wheel to allow the unmolested run on our goal in the first place.
Oh, and for the record, I thought that this was one of those 'the score makes it look like an easier game than it actually was' results...
They missed several very good chances and that Bmeuma (I think - #19, up front) was superb all day long. They had us struggling a lot on set pieces, especially n the first half, and Ali made more than one good save to maintain the clean sheet. That could easily have been a 3-2 nail-bitter going into stoppage time. Or worse.
Very happy that we're back to winning (most of) these types of games, but our defense is still a huge concern (even though Virgil is showing signs of getting back to his best again recently), and if we play cheaters FC in two weeks like we played Brentford today, we'll need to score five to get anything outta that one.
On a very positive note, that's as cohesive as I think I've ever seen the front three... All were mostly outstanding, and I was really hoping that Darwin could get a late goal to cap off a brilliant outing. And Endo, though very slow, grew into the game and was quite decent by the time all was said and done. Gakpo was quite but effective.
And we have, without question, the best goalkeeper on the planet. Love that man.
They missed several very good chances and that Bmeuma (I think - #19, up front) was superb all day long. They had us struggling a lot on set pieces, especially n the first half, and Ali made more than one good save to maintain the clean sheet. That could easily have been a 3-2 nail-bitter going into stoppage time. Or worse.
Very happy that we're back to winning (most of) these types of games, but our defense is still a huge concern (even though Virgil is showing signs of getting back to his best again recently), and if we play cheaters FC in two weeks like we played Brentford today, we'll need to score five to get anything outta that one.
On a very positive note, that's as cohesive as I think I've ever seen the front three... All were mostly outstanding, and I was really hoping that Darwin could get a late goal to cap off a brilliant outing. And Endo, though very slow, grew into the game and was quite decent by the time all was said and done. Gakpo was quite but effective.
And we have, without question, the best goalkeeper on the planet. Love that man.
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Totally agree. Their underwhelming start is a red herring.
As opposed to his first half catastrophe in Toulouse? Yes. Definite improvement.
His stats in the Brentford game pretty much told the story....he had a lot of touches, kept it tidy and simple...never really gave it away but on the flip side he didn't cover himself in glory trying to intercept play or making tackles and at times was played through too easily.
We really need to think about switching to a double pivot or tightening it up somehow because we're relying too much on Virgil and Ali to bail us out.
I get your point, but we also missed a few good chances including two defo offside goals. Could have been easily 6-2 too against a decent Brentford who have won last 3 including two away at Chelsea and Hammers.
If that question is for me, I'd love to see that happen, but I don't think we're gonna do a flippin' thing in January... We're 2nd, for goodness sake - What additional help do we really need?
We've won CL & PLs with some right dolts in the team (not that he's that at all - he's a world class player that isn't playing like one because of the 'system') so yes, he can be dysfunctional and we can still win. Which is the case.
2023/4 season : 3 assists (almost ⅓ season gone)
2022/3 season : 10 assists
2021/2 season : 19 assists
A better LB than Tsimikas (unless Chambers is that man - and I wouldn't put that past our youth coaching setup).
John Stones, and that Lewis kid can both do it.
For me, we could be higher if we had a better DM.
I dislike the attitude of "we're 2nd so why?". Hell, I'd dislike "we're first,so why?". We should always be looking to improve or develop. We needed a DM and a CB at the end of the window. Thankfully quansah looks decent, so that just means we need to replace matip. DM however we're still very dicey
The problem (for me) is that pep is fantastic in turning players into automatons.he has a vision, he drills it into the players core.
Klopp is much more emotional and explosive. If we have a RB who's fed up of being an RB, you bench him until he accepts it, or improves in concentration. We can't have potentially 2-3 players out of position when defending just to make Trent feel better
My sarcasm didn't translate to the page... I want what you want, I was just aping what our owners are most likely saying of our current situation.
Well, we have been doing that and I dont even think the player feels better.
More than fair!
Stones has surprised many and Trent’s quoted saying today how much he admires him.
Lewis is a stretch. He’s played a grand total of 168 minutes in the league for them this season without exactly pulling up any trees…unused sub yesterday.
How many assists do they have?
John S 2
Trent A 55
I don’t think the expectations are same and what Klopp tasks with Trent is the same.
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