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Chinese "Devil Virus" - anyone worried?

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Fabio said:
I'm getting a bit terrified and stressed by it all. Daughters got CF so it means if she gets it there's a decent chance of intensive care stay. The fuck do I do? There's zero guidance (other from the conditions charities) over what the supposed at risk people should do?

Do we isolate ourselves?
Do we stop my son going to school to protect my daughter?
Do I stop going to work because my job is effectively going from mortuary to mortuary?
What's my legal recourse because I'm going against generic government advice?

It's all well and good if you're showing symptoms, then theres a plan; but the increased stress of the unknown is just going to lead to increased susceptibility for people.
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Maybe you could just pretend you had a cough/sniffle/high temperature ? Self isolate and keep your son out of school. Normally I don't think anyone should do that but if you have high risk people at home (over 70's and anyone with potentially compromised immune systems) I would. Or isolate yourself from your family and carry on working - that's a remarkably tough call but in these times worthy of consideration.
 
Up to 798 today here in the UK then, so that'll be over 1k tomorrow with consistent acceleration. Need to go full China if they want to slow this down.
 
Farkmaster said:
Why don't you just not test, it keeps the numbers lower. That's what we're trying.
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We're trying it here too. Just hiding it better by saying we're only testing in certain cases.

In reality, they're only testing in hospitals, & if they've gotten to that dedicated ITU already, then they're almost certainly positive.
 
FoxForceFive said:
We're trying it here too. Just hiding it better by saying we're only testing in certain cases.

In reality, they're only testing in hospitals, & if they've gotten to that dedicated ITU already, then they're almost certainly positive.
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Yep.. unless you are hospitalised, or rich or famous. They have pretty much quit testing now.
 
We have around 10 people in ITU, also learned from my wife today that they have this drug (forgotten the name) - but it's been ordered in our local hospital, due to the information the Chinese released on potential treatments (NOTE CURE) - the drug is apparently used for Malaria cases but apparently it can put up a good fight against COVID-19.
 
moron said:
We have around 10 people in ITU, also learned from my wife today that they have this drug (forgotten the name) - but it's been ordered in our local hospital, due to the information the Chinese released on potential treatments (NOTE CURE) - the drug is apparently used for Malaria cases but apparently it can put up a good fight against COVID-19.
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You will remember the drugs name will ya mate?
 
Mors said:
Up to 798 today here in the UK then, so that'll be over 1k tomorrow with consistent acceleration. Need to go full China if they want to slow this down.
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Don't be hasty. People will get fed up of following orders if you start it too soon. They can only put up with doing things to protect themselves and their families for so long before they will inexplicably decide to throw their lives away. Best to let them all get sick first, and then they don't have to take action to prevent them getting sick for as long a time, which means those actions are more likely to be taken.
 
So the Australian government is giving everyone $750 as a “stability pack” to deal with coronavirus.

Meanwhile in the UK

They are telling everyone to sing happy birthday and say goodbye to Nan!
 
Fabio said:
Woland and myself have said worse about things in the past, so quite why people are jumping on Jono is a bit weird

I know he's thick but he's not malicious
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Everyone knows he's thick, but I was more offended by the fact that it was a shit attempt at a joke, as usual.

There is a palpable, if low-level, malicious stupidity in much of what he posts though, especially when he tries to do politics. But I find that way more amusing than his actual attempts at being funny on purpose.

These global pandemics don't half create a bit of a funny atmosphere though. Everyone's getting a bit on edge.
 
6TimesaRed said:
So the Australian government is giving everyone $750 as a “stability pack” to deal with coronavirus.

Meanwhile in the UK

They are telling everyone to sing happy birthday and say goodbye to Nan!
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What if it isn't your Nan's birthday? Do you just sing it anyway? And what if your Nan is dead? Is it specifically aimed at people with Grandmothers who were born in this day?
 
moron said:
We have around 10 people in ITU, also learned from my wife today that they have this drug (forgotten the name) - but it's been ordered in our local hospital, due to the information the Chinese released on potential treatments (NOTE CURE) - the drug is apparently used for Malaria cases but apparently it can put up a good fight against COVID-19.
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That would be an Indonesian drug extracted from their indigenous plants or trees. Researchers say it is a potential treatment. They happen to be Indonesian researchers, but that's neither here nor there.
 
doctor_mac said:
He's from Austria. They all have cellars.
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Ah! Yes, yes I understand it now.

It could possibly have done with an abrupt 'Usually in the cellar.' at the end, which would have precluded knowledge of Austrian heritage and also provided extra impetus for thick people like me.

But I approve of this joke
 
dantes said:
That would be an Indonesian drug extracted from their indigenous plants or trees. Researchers say it is a potential treatment. They happen to be Indonesian researchers, but that's neither here nor there.
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Apparently a number of anti-malarial treatments have some sort of effect on the virus.
 
6TimesaRed said:
So the Australian government is giving everyone $750 as a “stability pack” to deal with coronavirus.

Meanwhile in the UK

They are telling everyone to sing happy birthday and say goodbye to Nan!
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I think the $750 is to people on benefits, not everyone. The idea being that those on benefits will spend it and stimulate the economy.

If the British government did that I daresay you'd still find a reason to criticise. Hell, if the British government had said at the start that everything will close, everyone will stay at home and be paid £1000 a day and have free food delivered to them via drones you'd probably still moan about how the evil Tories are being too controlling and bang on about the drone contract being given to a private company or something.
 
Richey said:
I think the $750 is to people on benefits, not everyone. The idea being that those on benefits will spend it and stimulate the economy.

If the British government did that I daresay you'd still find a reason to criticise. Hell, if the British government had said at the start that everything will close, everyone will stay at home and be paid £1000 a day and have free food delivered to them via drones you'd probably still moan about how the evil Tories are being too controlling and bang on about the drone contract being given to a private company or something.
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Hahahahahaha!

As I alluded to in the thread about 'PL behind closed doors', this is the perfect breeding ground for peak Ninja posting.

A global pandemic and how world governments respond!

What could be more machine-tooled for a flurry of borderline insane , frantically searched and scrabbled copy and paste opinion jobs from mad people on social media?

It combines everything he is least equipped to understand or have an opinion about: scientific data; complex procedures; information that requires expertise and some kind of higher education qualification and specialism; governmental and political process.

When you combine that with Evil Tories, Donald Trump, Conspiracy Theories, and an infinite churning shit maelstrom of cretinous opinion and made-up facts on social media, this is possibly going to be Red Ninja's finest hour.

Let's just self-isolate and enjoy the incoming bombardment of weapons-grade idiocy!
 
doctor_mac said:
Apparently a number of anti-malarial treatments have some sort of effect on the virus.
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The recovery rate is quite high and also highly uncertain. Giving random patients a random drug, and judging it's efficacy from their recovery is highly suspect.
 
dantes said:
The recovery rate is quite high and also highly uncertain. Giving random patients a random drug, and judging it's efficacy from their recovery is highly suspect.
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I suspect it's more a case of seeing the effect under the microscope and how the anti-Malarial damages the virus' 'envelope', and so ability to infect, than the scenario you have just imagined :D
 
Frogfish said:
I suspect it's more a case of seeing the effect under the microscope and how the anti-Malarial damages the virus' 'envelope', and so ability to infect, than the scenario you have just imagined :D
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The only problem there is you don't have a star trek transporter to materialise the compound into all of your cells at once. I could kill the virus with all manner of other non-toxic chemicals under a microscope if I wanted. In reality, you have to drop the dosage to avoid killing the human with an overdose, and then have them ingest a pill containing a tiny amount of the chemical, and then hope for the best when you statistically analyse the results. The last part hasn't been done. And the conversion rate from viable chemical to approved medicine is tiny, less than 1%.
 
What you need is a mathematical model of the human body, which you can plug in some data about the chemicals, run the simulation, and then spit out the life-scale effect under different conditions. They don't have such a model because of how highly complex it is and not having the first idea where to start to build one. Hence clinical trials with poor bastards signing death waivers.

In another context, they also didn't know how to plug in data about the chemical and predict the industrial-scale effects in their manufacturing facility. Well until they asked me, and I derived the model, because I'm dantes. So that's why I get to look at these other researchers in their other fields, and spit upon them with disdain.
 
dantes said:
What you need is a mathematical model of the human body, which you can plug in some data about the chemicals, run the simulation, and then spit out the life-scale effect under different conditions. They don't have such a model because of how highly complex it is and not having the first idea where to start to build one. Hence clinical trials with poor bastards signing death waivers.

In another context, they also didn't know how to plug in data about the chemical and predict the industrial-scale effects in their manufacturing facility. Well until they asked me, and I derived the model, because I'm dantes. So that's why I get to look at these other researchers in their other fields, and spit upon them with disdain.
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Spitting on people is frowned upon even more than usual at the moment.
 
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