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So the managers are/were fine and player recruitment is solely on the owners? Is that what you are saying?

The player recruitment buck, for me, stops firmly at the manager. I would wager quite heavily that no player was forced on any of them.

I have no affinity with these - or any - owners, but the lengths people are going to blame them for stuff is quite bizarre.

The managers were good choices at the time; they didn't work out for various reasons, some of which had to do with player recruitment.

It is clear that we did not operate under a system where the manager had either total authority or total responsibility for transfers, or else they would own all the responsibility.

While perhaps the manager may have had veto rights over selections presented to him, or had the ability to suggest players to acquire, it is farcical to think that sole or even primary responsibility for transfers sits with the manager. This is why we have scouts, negotiators, executives, agents, etc. The people in those positions, as much or more than the managers, failed. Abjectly.

The blame for the failures of our transfer strategy can be laid at the feet of many people, our managers past and present among them. However, you cannot escape the fact that the hirings and the structure in which these people operate and the budgets with which they have to work all come from ownership. This is an indisputable fact.

If you want to say our managers share in the blame, you'll find few willing to argue. But to let FSG off the hook is akin to blaming middle management when a Fortune 500 company goes bust.

I'm not saying FSG have done no good - but the direction this club travels follows the direction from the top. They own this every bit as much as those they hire.
 
If you want to say our managers share in the blame, you'll find few willing to argue. But to let FSG off the hook is akin to blaming middle management when a Fortune 500 company goes bust.

I don't see it like that at all. Football managers are far from akin to middle management.

I'd see owners as the board and the manager as the CEO. Ultimately the bpard can step in but generally the CEO has more responsibility for the failure or otherwise of the team. Yes, we maybe moving slightly away from this model but I still believe the right manager can have a far bigger influence than an owner.

Unless the owner has unlimited funds, of course, then all bets are off, and said owner is by far the biggest influence. See Chelsea as Exhibit A.
 
Did Rodgers have the final say? People seemed to selectively pick which players could be attributed to him and which couldn't, so it wasn't as straightforward (at least on the face of it) as the manager having the final say. Maybe that's more the case now, because of Klopp's pedigree, but it certainly hasn't always been that way.

If Rodgers truly had the final say, I am sure Balotelli would not have been a LFC player and Dele Alli would have signed for us. He may have had the "final say" in theory but it looks like the way transfers operated was more complicated than that with constraints placed on wages, signing based on estimated value of a signing.

I think Klopp has more freedom in overruling these constraints as I dont think he would have become our manager otherwise.
 
I don't see it like that at all. Football managers are far from akin to middle management.

I'd see owners as the board and the manager as the CEO. Ultimately the bpard can step in but generally the CEO has more responsibility for the failure or otherwise of the team. Yes, we maybe moving slightly away from this model but I still believe the right manager can have a far bigger influence than an owner.

Unless the owner has unlimited funds, of course, then all bets are off, and said owner is by far the biggest influence. See Chelsea as Exhibit A.

If I can't convince you that the actual structure of the club, as it is literally and factually constituted, is how it's run, I think we'll have to agree to disagree and let this discussion peter out.
 
Regardless of what they did or did not do, the reality is we operate well below the financial means of our competitors. There's only so much "punching above your weight" FSG can do if they have to operate within certain financial realities. I should know. I'm 40lbs over.
 
Not trying to discredit them in anyway but it was evident that the marketing, merchandising and sponsorship aspects were largely untapped during Moores and Parry's time. G&H obviously made things precarious and thankfully we were saved from further trouble by FSG but the upturn in revenue isn't unexpected, esp. for our club's stature. The impact of not making it to the CL was also soften hugely by the revenues such as those from the TV deal too (as compared to when Leeds overspent + failed to qualify and went on a downward spiral).

As mentioned a couple of times in this thread, it's not the amount of money spent but how. They can make profits from the club by all means - after all, they are a company, not an individual like Roman Abramovich.

When Ian Ayre was leaving, I thought it was an opportunity to review the structure of the committee and/or its members - wishful thinking it seems. While we are privy to the details and the full authenticity is hard to verify, the various reports and even revealings were singing along the same tune.

- Barry Hunter and Dave Fallows were FSG appointments
[article]Fallows and Hunter, who were approached by Liverpool before Rodgers's appointment as manager, were placed on gardening leave by City and able to commence work at Anfield only after the close of the transfer window.
... ... ...
Rodgers and Hunter were at Reading together and, despite not instigating the arrivals, the manager insisted: "They were appointments I was fully aware of. I've known Barry for a long time and Dave also. Dave was already in the offing to come here. From Dave's position, he would only accept the job if someone like myself was coming in."[/article]

- Edwards was on good books of FSG (nothing wrong but makes one wonder if his promotion was based on ability and credential)
Dated Dec 2014
[article]Edwards is the committee's other main protagonist. A former video analyst whom Damien Comolli brought with him from Tottenham Hotspur, Edwards gained the trust of Liverpool's principal owner, John W. Henry, by presenting a statistical model for analysing potential signings.

Famously enamoured with Billy Beane's sabermetric approach to hiring baseball players, Henry believed that in the young Englishman he had a football equivalent.


Edwards was invited to spend time with Henry at the businessman's Florida mansion. His guidance was taken seriously when Henry and the rest of Fenway Sports Group sought a replacement for former Reds manager Roy Hodgson.

Aware that numbers mattered to FSG's vision for the club, Edwards appointed Ian Graham as Liverpool's director of research. Holder of a PhD in theoretical physics, Graham had developed a computer programme designed to add discriminative value to player performance statistics provided by companies such as ProZone.

When Rodgers, a scout or an agent suggested Liverpool sign a particular player, Edwards would have the player's numbers run through the Graham model. If the computer said no, the deal was off.

When Red Bull Salzburg were looking for a buyer for Sadio Mane in the summer, Liverpool were one of the clubs approached. Graham's analysis indicated the Senegal international wasn't good enough, so Mane ended up at Southampton instead (paid for with a fraction of the money Rodgers channelled to the South Coast club for Adam Lallana, Dejan Lovren and Lambert).[/article]

Dated Dec 2014 (James Pearce interview)
[article]Pearce says BR NEVER wanted to sign Balotelli but was forced to settle for him.
.. ....
Similar tone has been voiced by Mike Bernard, a former employee of FSG, who said BR failing to see eye-to-eye with some of the TC members and their signings, is getting a little unsavoury. Mike noted that BR wanted Eriksen and Bony but was overruled. This also goes back to previous failures to show the money and securing players early when they had interest to move to LFC. Plenty of dragging negotiations and low-balling saw the failure of securing targets such as Willian, Salah, Mikhtaryan, Konoplyanka and more. Diego Costa was identified by BR as a transfer target when Costa was playing as a wing-forward, long before he became a star in that out-and-out striker position and caught the whole world's attention. TC thought his release clause of 20mil back then was too much. The rest is history. While we drag our feet on targets, other clubs come into the picture, showed the money and swooped them as we watch helplessly. Even for Sanchez, Phil Thompson declared during the world cup that we had Sanchez in the bag. However too much negotiations into details and conditions in payment method allowed Arsenal to sneak in and turn his and his wife's head.[/article]

Dated Oct 2015
[article]Michael Edwards, who is based at Liverpool's Melwood training ground, has become FSG's go-to guy in England after aligning himself with the data-driven model of the group's baseball team, the Boston Red Sox.

This cosy relationship with FSG, dropping the owners emails throughout the day and increasing his power at the club, led to a strained relationship with former manager Brendan Rodgers.
...
Edwards fell perfectly into place with FSG's Moneyball strategy, the statistical model designed to extract maximum value in the transfer market.
...
Despite a lack of playing experience at any relevant level, Edwards, who earns £300,000 a year, has a big say on Liverpool's notorious transfer committee. He would arrive for meetings with Rodgers, managing director Ian Ayre, chief scout Barry Hunter and head of recruitment Dave Fallows armed with the latest data on potential targets.
...
After each Liverpool game Edwards emails analysis and data to the club's owners in America, detailing where the match was won and lost. It has made for grim reading this season.
...
Edwards has used his relationship with FSG to strengthen his hand at the club, becoming a trusted source of information to a group of people who are obsessed with statistical analysis. There is a relationship with Bill James, the American stats guru who is employed by the Red Sox to provide Henry and Gordon with data for their baseball team.
...
The increasing influence of analysts, young men who have no experience of scouting or recruiting players, has meant the end of the road for good football men such as Mel Johnson. He was the scout who recommended Liverpool sign talented young winger Jordon Ibe from Wycombe but was sacked, shamefully, in November 2014. Former academy director Frank McParland has also left.

Instead a new breed sits in air-conditioned offices, cutting up videos from matches all over the world and burying their heads in the stats. Edwards, along with his vast team of analysts, constantly monitors the opposition, providing detail about playing positions, style, routines, set-pieces and other important matchday information.
...
Since then he has emerged as a senior figure at Liverpool, empowered by FSG to make the call on big transfer targets after gaining their trust since his arrival in 2011.

His relationship with Rodgers deteriorated shortly after the former Liverpool manager signed a contract worth £6m a year just a week after Liverpool finished within two points of claiming the Barclays Premier League title.

They clashed over transfer strategy, although Rodgers went on record to insist that he always had the final say over the recruitment of players earmarked for the first-team squad.
[/article]

Dated Jan 2016
[article]“We played AC Milan in a friendly in America because what we needed was a replacement for a player who could press from the top end of the field,” he said. “It wasn't just a goalscorer we were after, Luis Suarez was giving so much more than that – the press and how we wanted to work.

“After the AC Milan game I was asked a question and he wasn't someone I felt was suited or fitted the profile of what we were after.”

Despite personal reservations, Rodgers claimed it was FSG who believed Balotelli would be a good investment.

Speaking to Goals on Sunday, he added: “Come the end of summer, when we were struggling to get in the type of player we wanted for that role, the ownership thought this was a player I could maybe develop.

“He's had issues Mario, he's a wonderful talent and make no mistake. You see him on the training field every day, he's six foot three, he's fast, strong, has the touch.

“They thought this is a £50m player that they can bring in for £16m, and I can maybe develop him how I developed a few of the other players.

“When the owners want you to go down that route and there are no other options, you give it a go.”[/article]

Dated Feb 2017
[article]"When I was at Liverpool I asked about Van Dijk and he was at Groningen and then at Celtic. But I was told he wouldn't be for us at the time."[/article]

Then there were apparently rules such as "a limited spending budget per player of €10 million and we could only sign players who were under 21" and interference like "regarded to be just a promising Under-21 prospect and were going to pay him accordingly — about £4,000 a week" (perhaps they were advised via the use of statistics, as usual?) despite their lack of expertise/experience in this field doesn't seem smart .

Who knows? Klopp might have wanted to make additions in Jan transfer window but 1. the committee couldn't get the deals he wanted across the line 2. the committee vetoed his choices 3. he didn't agree with the committee's suggested options/backups so decided not to sign any of them instead of have them forced on him.
 
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Not trying to discredit them in anyway but it was evident that the marketing, merchandising and sponsorship aspects were largely untapped during Moores and Parry's time. G&H obviously made things precarious and thankfully we were saved from further trouble by FSG but the upturn in revenue isn't unexpected, esp. for our club's stature. The impact of not making it to the CL was also soften hugely by the revenues such as those from the TV deal too (as compared to when Leeds overspent + failed to qualify and went on a downward spiral).

As mentioned a couple of times in this thread, it's not the amount of money spent but how. They can make profits from the club by all means - after all, they are a company, not an individual like Roman Abramovich.

When Ian Ayre was leaving, I thought it was an opportunity to review the structure of the committee and/or its members - wishful thinking it seems. While we are privy to the details and the full authenticity is hard to verify, the various reports and even revealings were singing along the same tune.

- Barry Hunter and Dave Fallows were FSG appointments
[article]Fallows and Hunter, who were approached by Liverpool before Rodgers's appointment as manager, were placed on gardening leave by City and able to commence work at Anfield only after the close of the transfer window.
... ... ...
Rodgers and Hunter were at Reading together and, despite not instigating the arrivals, the manager insisted: "They were appointments I was fully aware of. I've known Barry for a long time and Dave also. Dave was already in the offing to come here. From Dave's position, he would only accept the job if someone like myself was coming in."[/article]

- Edwards was on good books of FSG (nothing wrong but makes one wonder if his promotion was based on ability and credential)
Dated Dec 2014
[article]Edwards is the committee's other main protagonist. A former video analyst whom Damien Comolli brought with him from Tottenham Hotspur, Edwards gained the trust of Liverpool's principal owner, John W. Henry, by presenting a statistical model for analysing potential signings.

Famously enamoured with Billy Beane's sabermetric approach to hiring baseball players, Henry believed that in the young Englishman he had a football equivalent.


Edwards was invited to spend time with Henry at the businessman's Florida mansion. His guidance was taken seriously when Henry and the rest of Fenway Sports Group sought a replacement for former Reds manager Roy Hodgson.

Aware that numbers mattered to FSG's vision for the club, Edwards appointed Ian Graham as Liverpool's director of research. Holder of a PhD in theoretical physics, Graham had developed a computer programme designed to add discriminative value to player performance statistics provided by companies such as ProZone.

When Rodgers, a scout or an agent suggested Liverpool sign a particular player, Edwards would have the player's numbers run through the Graham model. If the computer said no, the deal was off.

When Red Bull Salzburg were looking for a buyer for Sadio Mane in the summer, Liverpool were one of the clubs approached. Graham's analysis indicated the Senegal international wasn't good enough, so Mane ended up at Southampton instead (paid for with a fraction of the money Rodgers channelled to the South Coast club for Adam Lallana, Dejan Lovren and Lambert).[/article]

Dated Dec 2014 (James Pearce interview)
[article]Pearce says BR NEVER wanted to sign Balotelli but was forced to settle for him.
.. ....
Similar tone has been voiced by Mike Bernard, a former employee of FSG, who said BR failing to see eye-to-eye with some of the TC members and their signings, is getting a little unsavoury. Mike noted that BR wanted Eriksen and Bony but was overruled. This also goes back to previous failures to show the money and securing players early when they had interest to move to LFC. Plenty of dragging negotiations and low-balling saw the failure of securing targets such as Willian, Salah, Mikhtaryan, Konoplyanka and more. Diego Costa was identified by BR as a transfer target when Costa was playing as a wing-forward, long before he became a star in that out-and-out striker position and caught the whole world's attention. TC thought his release clause of 20mil back then was too much. The rest is history. While we drag our feet on targets, other clubs come into the picture, showed the money and swooped them as we watch helplessly. Even for Sanchez, Phil Thompson declared during the world cup that we had Sanchez in the bag. However too much negotiations into details and conditions in payment method allowed Arsenal to sneak in and turn his and his wife's head.[/article]

Dated Oct 2015
[article]Michael Edwards, who is based at Liverpool's Melwood training ground, has become FSG's go-to guy in England after aligning himself with the data-driven model of the group's baseball team, the Boston Red Sox.

This cosy relationship with FSG, dropping the owners emails throughout the day and increasing his power at the club, led to a strained relationship with former manager Brendan Rodgers.
...
Edwards fell perfectly into place with FSG's Moneyball strategy, the statistical model designed to extract maximum value in the transfer market.
...
Despite a lack of playing experience at any relevant level, Edwards, who earns £300,000 a year, has a big say on Liverpool's notorious transfer committee. He would arrive for meetings with Rodgers, managing director Ian Ayre, chief scout Barry Hunter and head of recruitment Dave Fallows armed with the latest data on potential targets.
...
After each Liverpool game Edwards emails analysis and data to the club's owners in America, detailing where the match was won and lost. It has made for grim reading this season.
...
Edwards has used his relationship with FSG to strengthen his hand at the club, becoming a trusted source of information to a group of people who are obsessed with statistical analysis. There is a relationship with Bill James, the American stats guru who is employed by the Red Sox to provide Henry and Gordon with data for their baseball team.
...
The increasing influence of analysts, young men who have no experience of scouting or recruiting players, has meant the end of the road for good football men such as Mel Johnson. He was the scout who recommended Liverpool sign talented young winger Jordon Ibe from Wycombe but was sacked, shamefully, in November 2014. Former academy director Frank McParland has also left.

Instead a new breed sits in air-conditioned offices, cutting up videos from matches all over the world and burying their heads in the stats. Edwards, along with his vast team of analysts, constantly monitors the opposition, providing detail about playing positions, style, routines, set-pieces and other important matchday information.
...
Since then he has emerged as a senior figure at Liverpool, empowered by FSG to make the call on big transfer targets after gaining their trust since his arrival in 2011.

His relationship with Rodgers deteriorated shortly after the former Liverpool manager signed a contract worth £6m a year just a week after Liverpool finished within two points of claiming the Barclays Premier League title.

They clashed over transfer strategy, although Rodgers went on record to insist that he always had the final say over the recruitment of players earmarked for the first-team squad.
[/article]

Dated Jan 2016
[article]“We played AC Milan in a friendly in America because what we needed was a replacement for a player who could press from the top end of the field,” he said. “It wasn't just a goalscorer we were after, Luis Suarez was giving so much more than that – the press and how we wanted to work.

“After the AC Milan game I was asked a question and he wasn't someone I felt was suited or fitted the profile of what we were after.”

Despite personal reservations, Rodgers claimed it was FSG who believed Balotelli would be a good investment.

Speaking to Goals on Sunday, he added: “Come the end of summer, when we were struggling to get in the type of player we wanted for that role, the ownership thought this was a player I could maybe develop.

“He's had issues Mario, he's a wonderful talent and make no mistake. You see him on the training field every day, he's six foot three, he's fast, strong, has the touch.

“They thought this is a £50m player that they can bring in for £16m, and I can maybe develop him how I developed a few of the other players.

“When the owners want you to go down that route and there are no other options, you give it a go.”[/article]

Dated Feb 2017
[article]"When I was at Liverpool I asked about Van Dijk and he was at Groningen and then at Celtic. But I was told he wouldn't be for us at the time."[/article]

Then there were apparently rules such as "a limited spending budget per player of €10 million and we could only sign players who were under 21" and interference like "regarded to be just a promising Under-21 prospect and were going to pay him accordingly — about £4,000 a week" (perhaps they were advised via the use of statistics, as usual?) despite their lack of expertise/experience in this field doesn't seem smart .

Who knows? Klopp might have wanted to make additions in Jan transfer window but 1. the committee couldn't get the deals he wanted across the line 2. the committee vetoed his choices 3. he didn't agree with the committee's suggested options/backups so decided not to sign any of them instead of have them forced on him.

Wow, that is a litany of errors, and Rodgers comes out of that looking pretty bloody well.
 
The Pearce quotes here : Dated Dec 2014 (James Pearce interview)

Seem to be the 'LFC view' of what actually transpired down in South America. According to Arsenal fans (with their own quotes) that's where they sewed up the deal, not later due to our heavy legs. And Pearce also saying London turned his 'wife's' head .. even though he hasn't ever been married and that particular WAG was gone two months after he joined Arsenal.
 
The Pearce quotes here : Dated Dec 2014 (James Pearce interview)

Seem to be the 'LFC view' of what actually transpired down in South America. According to Arsenal fans (with their own quotes) that's where they sewed up the deal, not later due to our heavy legs. And Pearce also saying London turned his 'wife's' head .. even though he hasn't ever been married and that particular WAG was gone two months after he joined Arsenal.

He was married when we tried to sign him and he later had an affair behind his wife's back and then a much publicised attempt at "another" affair, when he tried to contact Miss Chile. He's not with his wife anymore or that girlfriend, but he was married at the time.

Ian Ayre: ‘There was much-publicised interest in Alexis Sanchez, as part of the deal which saw Luis [Suarez] go to Barcelona, and that deal was done. ‘The only reason it wasn’t was that the player and his wife wanted to live in London.’
 
I think he did. I think they all did.

"I think", "I don't see it that way at all". There's a surprise :rolleyes:

It's pretty clear that it's always been more complex than that, it's certainly not always been the case that the players coming in have been 100% sought after and backed by the manager, take the Mario deal, for example. You're making it out to be black and white, clear cut. It clearly isn't and it's well documented.
 
Yeah but the balance swings right back to the middle when you look at deals he was pushing - like Dempsey for Henderson

Pretty much, it's six of one, half a dozen of the other. As said in earlier posts, it's the whole set up. Of course, you're never, ever going to achieve a system where every target is credible, or every buy is a success, but you have to have a cohesive system in place where most people are on the same page in terms of ideals and what they're working towards. You don't buy the laziest cunt in football to fill the huge chasm vacated by the hardest working striker in football (for example).
 
Yeah but the balance swings right back to the middle when you look at deals he was pushing - like Dempsey for Henderson

I agree, but that deal seems to have been pretty anomalous within his tenure. Had we signed Costa for 20m, been prepared to pay Alli more than 4 grand a week, backed the manager to push through the Salah and Sanchez deals without penny-pinching or in signing Eriksen, VVD and Bony for relatively low figures. Though what the fuck he was thinking with Dempsey is hard to fathom, he definitely was on the ball with loads of his priorities,.
 
"I think", "I don't see it that way at all". There's a surprise :rolleyes:

It's pretty clear that it's always been more complex than that, it's certainly not always been the case that the players coming in have been 100% sought after and backed by the manager, take the Mario deal, for example. You're making it out to be black and white, clear cut. It clearly isn't and it's well documented.

Hehe. Shall I just fall into line and agree with you?

Well documented? Where? In the press? What a load of shit. For most stuff spouted in the articles Binny has posted there I can find one to counter it.

Sanchez? Wrapped up by Arsenal before the WC.
Costa? Didn't want to come and signed a new contract.
Konoplyanka? Either he said no or the president pulled the pin.
Mkhitaryan? Quoted as saying Liverpool are the past while BVB are the future.
Etc etc.

And, no, I don't think transfers are black and white because they would happen a lot quicker if they were. I just happen to think that the buck for transfers stops at the manager. If you don't agree with that view, I've got to be honest here and say I really don't give a fuck.
 
I agree, but that deal seems to have been pretty anomalous within his tenure. Had we signed Costa for 20m, been prepared to pay Alli more than 4 grand a week, backed the manager to push through the Salah and Sanchez deals without penny-pinching or in signing Eriksen, VVD and Bony for relatively low figures. Though what the fuck he was thinking with Dempsey is hard to fathom, he definitely was on the ball with loads of his priorities,.

And Ashley Williams. And he pushed the deals for Borini and Allen.

The sum of all these parts of errors are that we should have had someone more competent running the footballing business.
FSG shouldnt have caved regarding a DoF, and gotten a bloody good one from the start.
 
And Ashley Williams. And he pushed the deals for Borini and Allen.

The sum of all these parts of errors are that we should have had someone more competent running the footballing business.
FSG shouldnt have caved regarding a DoF, and gotten a bloody good one from the start.[/QUOTE

That last bit is easier said than done. Clubs seem to rattle through them.
 
I agree, but that deal seems to have been pretty anomalous within his tenure. Had we signed Costa for 20m, been prepared to pay Alli more than 4 grand a week, backed the manager to push through the Salah and Sanchez deals without penny-pinching or in signing Eriksen, VVD and Bony for relatively low figures. Though what the fuck he was thinking with Dempsey is hard to fathom, he definitely was on the ball with loads of his priorities,.

Taking all that as true, yeah he was. We'd be in better shape with all of those (but its not always our fault that we don't get player X)

On the flip side:
Aspas
Alberto
Sakho
Ilori
Lambert
Markovic
Lovren
Moreno
Benteke
 
Taking all that as true, yeah he was. We'd be in better shape with all of those (but its not always our fault that we don't get player X)

On the flip side:
Aspas
Alberto
Sakho
Ilori
Lambert
Markovic
Lovren
Moreno
Benteke

Most managers are the same though, look at Benitez's record, for every Alonso we bought about 3-4 duds.
 
Hehe. Shall I just fall into line and agree with you?

Well documented? Where? In the press? What a load of shit. For most stuff spouted in the articles Binny has posted there I can find one to counter it.

Sanchez? Wrapped up by Arsenal before the WC.
Costa? Didn't want to come and signed a new contract.
Konoplyanka? Either he said no or the president pulled the pin.
Mkhitaryan? Quoted as saying Liverpool are the past while BVB are the future.
Etc etc.

And, no, I don't think transfers are black and white because they would happen a lot quicker if they were. I just happen to think that the buck for transfers stops at the manager. If you don't agree with that view, I've got to be honest here and say I really don't give a fuck.

Well that makes both of us, because I'm tired of reading your predictably obnoxious retorts. So yeah, like I give a shiny shit what some tedious prick on a forum thinks.
 
Well that makes both of us, because I'm tired of reading your predictably obnoxious retorts. So yeah, like I give a shiny shit what some tedious prick on a forum thinks.

Well, now I'm hurt. You've lead me to believe you really care, and then this?

Heartless, Mark.
 
Season starts in two weeks and we've yet to address key positions of the team...namely centre back and centre mid, also think we could do with another striker personally. Just after Boro on the last day, Klopp proclaimed most of our transfer business was done. Fucking Lol
 
My concerns are well documented and real.

Clubs like Stoke and West Brom founder around last day of the Window signing players to keep them in the premier league.
Teams that want to win the leage do not.
 
And Ashley Williams. And he pushed the deals for Borini and Allen.

The sum of all these parts of errors are that we should have had someone more competent running the footballing business.
FSG shouldnt have caved regarding a DoF, and gotten a bloody good one from the start.

Ashley Williams is a plus for Rodgers in my book. Maybe he's not world-class, but he's an organizer our defense had sorely lacked and going for him instead of someone like Sakho would have proved beneficial in the long run. I think Rodgers' problem was that he didn't have the breadth of knowledge for transfers at this level, but instead of recognizing it and recruiting someone who does as DOF and a manager comfortable working in this type of system, FSG tried to do a half-hearted compromise, which worked like compromises always do – not very well in the end.
 
Not convinced about Williams. I wouldn't dispute that he's an organiser, but I've never rated his actual ability particularly highly and I reckon he'd have been found out under Rodgers' régime, when the defensive coaching was clearly not up to snuff.

Agree about the compromise though. For me FSG should either have given Rodgers control or stuck to their blueprint and found another manager.
 
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