He was part of it. And look who's talking.
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He was part of it. And look who's talking.
I hadn't realised that Liverpool played in the euros and been beaten by Iceland though!
The back four selection was direspectful of Liverpool fans nevermind wolves.
Moreno is and always will be shite. Not getting rid of him in the summer was a bad mistake that every Liverpool fan could see. After his display in the Europa league final the cunt should never have played for us again.
Klavan has fell to pieces this last month and is so hopelessy out of form and short of confidence and ability that he reminds me of Torben Piechnik and he really was shite.
Gomez has just been handed a new contract and all he's acheived with us so far is healing from a bad injury. The football he's played since coming back has been very average and against plymouth away he was the worst centre half on the pitch.
Randall is our third choice right back and he's lucky to be that. he doesn't offer the team anything.
Players who, when confronted with teams who have played exactly the same way as Wolves did, have been spectacularly ineffective. There's not a team selection we can put out that makes me think we'll win at the moment. Bar Milner, who is looking tired anyway, none of our defenders are playing well at the moment. Our goalkeepers do not inspire confidence. Henderson is inconsistent. Lucas is average. Can and Winaldem (I know that's not how you spell it) are both either shite or off form. Origi and Sturridge are playing shite. Firmino looks good when he's central but crap when not. And even then isn't playing as consistently well as he did at the start of the season. Lallana isn't playing particularly great.
Klopp is at fault in that he's playing the same tactics and hoping for different results despite the teams we're playing all setting up in exactly the same way. But I don't think selecting different players would have made a blind bit of difference today.
Just imagine the carnage that Chelsea will wreak!
Record loss may be a bet to lump on.
Record loss may be a bet to lump on.
We may have to agree to disagree mate as I don't see it that way with regards to the players that started. As for Klopp though, yeh he messed up today.
Yes all bets were off as far as Liverpool were concerned when that team sheet was posted.
The cynic in me would almost say it was deliberate.
I agree. I suspect Klopp wants to concentrate on the League and picked the appropriate team.
Agree also. I don't think the team was selected to lose as such, but I do reckon the overwhelming priority was to rest players for the Chelsea game, with giving others some game time as a secondary aim. Getting a win today was incidental at best, and possibly not even that - maybe jexy's cynicism is actually simple realism.
He hasn't learnt that in this country lower league opposition don't just roll over like they do in some other countries and if you pick a weakened team against them then there's every chance you will lose or at least struggle badly. He must be fucking blinkered not to have noticed that. Either that or he doesn't give a fuck about the cups , FA Cup especially as he hasn't picked a first choice team in that competition since he's been here.
We feel your pain Mark.
We really need to show some magic come tuesday.. 3 home defeats in a week!! Didn't see that coming. The midfield will be Key to success against Chelsea!!! Based on the latest games we need the creativity of Lallana and the leadership we sometimes get from Hendo.
Bundled out of 2 trophies in a week because Klopp doesn't give a shit. I mean, I know the mediocrity of coming 4th every year is well rewarded these days, but you can't tell me trophies aren't better. He's heading into Benitez territory. Prick.
Moreno is shit. Save yourself the bother of thinking otherwise.
Steady
Most managers are stubborn.
Whilst I agree that a manager should be more respectful to the fans who have paid to watch the team, & that we're desperate for a trophy, it terms of his career here, & (potentially) the club's longer terms ambitions, it's very easy to argue a CL place this season is better for both.
I'm not sure I agree (the argument that these players really need to learn how to win a fucking trophy is very strong), but there's a logic to it.
To add to that, many of us have said that our current crop of players aren't mentally strong enough to win a cup final. Most have tried & have failed, so maybe Klopp thinks the same, & doesn't want to risk our league place only to have to rely on those players in a final again.
I'm not sure I agree (the argument that these players really need to learn how to win a fucking trophy is very strong), but there's a logic to it.
To add to that, many of us have said that our current crop of players aren't mentally strong enough to win a cup final. Most have tried & have failed, so maybe Klopp thinks the same, & doesn't want to risk our league place only to have to rely on those players in a final again.
Klopp's Basil Fawlty impressions on the touch line yesterday suggest he was really quite upset with the display.
Almost every single Premiership manager changes their team for cup games - even Wolves made seven changes - so I don't think the teams he has played in the League Cup (which was full strength against Southampton, arguably) or the FA Cup are a reflection of Klopp not wanting to get to a final; he knows we need to win *something* soon.
Our dismal performances in semis and finals in the last few years are certainly at least partly mental, but also because we have too many inconsistent players, and not enough experienced winners like Gerrard.
I think he's just bewilderingly over-confident in lots of the players in his squad, many of whom would struggle to get a game for Wolves.
Almost every single Premiership manager changes their team for cup games - even Wolves made seven changes - so I don't think the teams he has played in the League Cup (which was full strength against Southampton, arguably) or the FA Cup are a reflection of Klopp not wanting to get to a final; he knows we need to win *something* soon.
Our dismal performances in semis and finals in the last few years are certainly at least partly mental, but also because we have too many inconsistent players, and not enough experienced winners like Gerrard.
I think he's just bewilderingly over-confident in lots of the players in his squad, many of whom would struggle to get a game for Wolves.
Do we really need to teach competitiveness?
Isn't it innate?
I disliked losing at any sport right from the earliest age, nothing taught about that.
Isn't it innate?
I disliked losing at any sport right from the earliest age, nothing taught about that.
It can be innate to be competitive, however it can be beaten out of someone if they're repeatedly told that the result doesn't matter
Right. It's definitely innate. You're either competitive or not. And most successful people are very competitive.
I dont actually see what he did too wrong yesterday and thought he did just that in attacking their defence.
The problem is that he's a fullback. It's gone so far now that I wouldn't mind having Moreno on the wing.
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