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Winter Slams Decision To Let Goal Stand

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Former Premier League referee Jeff Winter branded the decision to allow Sunderland's winner against Liverpool as ''absolutely amazing''.

Darren Bent's strike beat Reds goalkeeper Jose Reina with the held of a sizeable deflection off a beach ball which had been thrown onto the Stadium of Light pitch by an away fan. Referee Mike Jones conferred with his assistant but decided the goal should stand, helping Sunderland to a 1-0 win.

Winter told BBC Radio 5 Live: ''I'm absolutely amazed. It is basic law in football. The goal should just not have stood. The laws of the game state that if there's an outside interference the game has to be stopped.

''Talk about an outside influence - the ball went in off the beach ball and completely deceived the Liverpool goalkeeper. I am absolutely amazed that for a referee at that level of football, that between him, his assistant, the fourth official, they didn't see what had happened and give the correct decision.''

Winter added he was surprised more focus had not been put on Jones.

He said: ''I try to defend referees wherever possible having been there and knowing the problems they face but, on this particular occasion, everybody's having a laugh and a joke about it, but this is far more serious in terms of the laws of the game than when the referee doesn't see the ball go over the goalline.

''That is understandable with the pace of the modern game and being unsighted, but this is just basic law.

''An outside influence is any outside influence. It is anything other than the 22 maximum players on the field and the referee. If it hits the referee and goes in, he's part of the game. If a spectator comes on the pitch and kicks the ball, the game must be stopped.

''It's a basic law of the game - one that fortunately doesn't come into practice too much - but it's a basic law of the game that a referee would learn on his initial refereeing cause, not when you're an established Premier League referee.

''The fact that the referee conferred with his assistant, they knew something was wrong, it's just absolutely amazing the goal was allowed to stand.''

Winter's reading of the laws of football was confirmed by former FIFA referee Graham Poll, who said the correct decision would have been a drop-ball.
 
Oh well... who cares?? We won't win anything under the current regime. Unfortunately Sheik and others saw the light before me.
 
gotta laugh though, last season v stoke gerrard takes a free kick the ball sails straight in with no infringement on the stoke players whatsoever - goal chalked off, v s'land ball hits a ballon changing the direction and the goal is allowed to stan. if you don't laugh you'll cry.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36510.msg965179#msg965179 date=1255894695]
gotta laugh though, last season v stoke gerrard takes a free kick the ball sails straight in with no infringement on the stoke players whatsoever - goal chalked off, v s'land ball hits a ballon changing the direction and the goal is allowed to stan. if you don't laugh you'll cry.
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It's the media conspiracy starting to spread!!!
 
[quote author=Mr_V link=topic=36510.msg965175#msg965175 date=1255893638]
Oh well... who cares?? We won't win anything under the current regime. Unfortunately Sheik and others saw the light before me.
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I do. It's a fucking joke of a decision.
 
[quote author=Mr_V link=topic=36510.msg965175#msg965175 date=1255893638]
Oh well... who cares?? We won't win anything under the current regime. Unfortunately Sheik and others saw the light before me.
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We can we just need a better squad.
 
Winter was a fucking shite ref. and made more errors than most. Glass houses spring to mind.
 
[quote author=ELB link=topic=36510.msg965246#msg965246 date=1255907013]
Why aren't we protesting for a replay?
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Because that would be pathetic.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=36510.msg965253#msg965253 date=1255907359]
[quote author=ELB link=topic=36510.msg965246#msg965246 date=1255907013]
Why aren't we protesting for a replay?
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Because that would be pathetic.
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Yes it would be pathetic but if the rules were broken in the game and the goal shouldn't of stood, it sounds like we could actually get a replay. We're potentially throwing away points here if we deserve a replay. The law was broken, the goal should not have stood we have been robbed. We should push for a replay.
 
[quote author=ELB link=topic=36510.msg965254#msg965254 date=1255907455]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=36510.msg965253#msg965253 date=1255907359]
[quote author=ELB link=topic=36510.msg965246#msg965246 date=1255907013]
Why aren't we protesting for a replay?
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Because that would be pathetic.
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Yes it would be pathetic but if the rules were broken in the game and the goal shouldn't of stood, it sounds like we could actually get a replay. We're potentially throwing away points here if we deserve a replay. The law was broken, the goal should not have stood we have been robbed. We should push for a replay.

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There is no question of a replay. 90 minutes were played, the ref made a mistake, end of story. sad but thats the way it is. Accept and move on
 
We were shite and deserved nothing, but I agree with the logic. If it were a flare there would be murder, if it were an England game..............
 
A replay? Bollocks.

We lost one point yesterday, because THAT side ciould still be playing without scoring.
 
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=36510.msg965251#msg965251 date=1255907293]
cos we're better than that cunt Neil Warnock, that's why.
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HAHAHA, excellent
 
I was glad to read that Rafa refused to blame the loss on that incident, instead preferring to focus on how fucking crap we were. I'm really not interested in the rights or wrongs of it either to be honest - we deserved to get punished for that display.
 
Having said all that though, if it's a rule, and basic one at that, how the f#$! was the goal allowed to stand?

Whether we deserved a point or not is irrelevant - A referee's incompetence appears to have cost us points. Well, point.
 
All this talk about the balloon, the ref, the kid....

The simple fact is we did not play well enough to win....

Hell we barely played well enough to deserve a draw...

Shit happens, and as much as we feel the luck is going against us, we need to get it together, and play like we give a damn....

I put the loss down to the INTL break, and I think we will go on a run shortly....
 
[quote author=The_Positive_One link=topic=36510.msg965312#msg965312 date=1255926173]
All this talk about the balloon, the ref, the kid....

The simple fact is we did not play well enough to win....

Hell we barely played well enough to deserve a draw...

Shit happens, and as much as we feel the luck is going against us, we need to get it together, and play like we give a damn....

I put the loss down to the INTL break, and I think we will go on a run shortly....
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Welcome to the site.


You're right - We didn't. But the fact remains a rule was ignored by the referee, and that action decided the game.
 
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