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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=35172.msg922298#msg922298 date=1249975217]
Those who think he's "terrible" and whatever else obviously haven't watched him very much, because he's not. He's good.

I'm not advocating signing him, because he's no better than Riera, and as well know - we need world class. But Jonas is by no means shite. He's techincally capable, can keep the ball, has two good feet, and looked out of place in that Newcastle side at times last year. His career, form, and ability are all going backwards at that shithole, and he needs out. Not to us though.
[/quote]I've seen him plenty. I always watch Newcastle because of Rouge.
And he IS shit.
Great physicallity, allied with an astonishing ability to have no idea what to do next.
 
I've said this before but Matty Taylor at Bolton. Excellent at set pieces and scores a good amount of goals.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=35172.msg922279#msg922279 date=1249973526]
His spiderman goal celebration is among the most cringeworthy things in the world of football.

I'd be praying for him not to score.

[flash=500,500]http://www.youtube.com/v/aAaVDSH47pI&hl=en&fs=1&"[/flash]
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I quite like it 😉
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=35172.msg922279#msg922279 date=1249973526]
His spiderman goal celebration is among the most cringeworthy things in the world of football.

I'd be praying for him not to score.
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Well, given that Dossena has a better scoring record than him in English football, I don't think you'd have much to worry about.

Anyways he's not a bad player all in all... and some of his less glamorous attributes get him into the Argie starting line-up (in the last few games I saw anyways), but it's still a big no thanks.
 
If money were no object I'd be going for Ashley Young ahead of Silva.

For a meagre fee though I'd like to see us show the same kind of shrewdness we've shown with defenders and identify a player of real quality for the right price.

Who's been pulling up trees at the smaller Premiership clubs, or lower league even? Anyone? Anyone from any of the British sides U21's?
 
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=35172.msg922284#msg922284 date=1249973782]
What makes you guys think that Silva is a much better option than Riera.
Do you guys know that Riera is actually keeping Silva out of the Spanish starting line up?

Riera has one premier league season under his belt and I think he performed quite well. Wasn't he the reason for our great form in the beginning of the season?
Anyway I think signing Silva is unnecessary.
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Fucking hell - not htis one again. Silva was coming back from injury ! That is the only reason Riera kept him out of the team.

Shit ! Did I say injury ? Don't want him !
 
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[quote author=Modokay link=topic=35172.msg922284#msg922284 date=1249973782]
What makes you guys think that Silva is a much better option than Riera.
Do you guys know that Riera is actually keeping Silva out of the Spanish starting line up?

Riera has one premier league season under his belt and I think he performed quite well. Wasn't he the reason for our great form in the beginning of the season?
Anyway I think signing Silva is unnecessary.
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Fucking hell - not htis one again. Silva was coming back from injury ! That is the only reason Riera kept him out of the team.

Shit ! Did I say injury ? Don't want him !
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oOpppps, Silva our rumoured number one target is a crock too?
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35172.msg922397#msg922397 date=1249984268]
If money were no object I'd be going for Ashley Young ahead of Silva.

For a meagre fee though I'd like to see us show the same kind of shrewdness we've shown with defenders and identify a player of real quality for the right price.

Who's been pulling up trees at the smaller Premiership clubs, or lower league even? Anyone? Anyone from any of the British sides U21's?
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Erm, at one point i thought Adam Johnson looks the dogs bollocks, but i'm not so sure recently.
 
Saw highlights of the Boro game the other day and Adam Johnson impressed him from the short clip.

If we're buying cheap we may as well buy youth.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35172.msg922397#msg922397 date=1249984268]
If money were no object I'd be going for Ashley Young ahead of Silva.
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Really? I'd buy Ronaldo and Messi, but different strokes and all that.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=35172.msg922510#msg922510 date=1249997087]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35172.msg922397#msg922397 date=1249984268]
If money were no object I'd be going for Ashley Young ahead of Silva.
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Really? I'd buy Ronaldo and Messi, but different strokes and all that.
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Presume Mark was only trying to add a bit of realism to his post.
We've done Young over Silva to death, but I honestly don't know who'd I pick if given the choice.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=35172.msg922510#msg922510 date=1249997087]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35172.msg922397#msg922397 date=1249984268]
If money were no object I'd be going for Ashley Young ahead of Silva.
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Really? I'd buy Ronaldo and Messi, but different strokes and all that.
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Yer know what I mean 😉
 
Anyone suggested Petrov yet? I assume he would be cheap and good company for aquilani
 
[quote author=Dee link=topic=35172.msg922787#msg922787 date=1250031209]
Anyone suggested Petrov yet? I assume he would be cheap and good company for aquilani
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I'd like him (if we're strapped for cash).

And he's looking for a move away from city

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=666785&sec=transfers&cc=3888

Martin Petrov has told the Bulgarian media he wants to quit Manchester City this summer in order to secure first-team football.

Petrov is on international duty with Bulgaria ahead of the friendly with Latvia, and spoke to reporters at the national team's training camp.

"I don't see City depending too much on me this year, at least from what I have seen from the pre-season friendlies so far,'' Petrov said in Dnevnik. "No footballer is content with polishing the bench and I am no exception.''

The left winger now plans to have talks with boss Mark Hughes on his return from international duty.

Petrov starred for City under Sven-Goran Eriksson after joining from Atletico Madrid in 2007, but a serious knee injury suffered on international duty at the start of last season left him with little opportunity to impress Hughes, who used Robinho in midfield last season and has since added Gareth Barry.

The 30-year-old went on to claim several clubs have expressed an interest in his signature.

"There were several inquiries but no offers as of yet,'' he said.
 
Some great suggestions in this thread. Whilst it's hard to pick out the best one, I think we can all agree that the overriding theme of spending transfer money and wages on a host of players either not good enough or wanted by teams who are worse than us, is a marvellous idea.
 
Haha... true ;D

It doesn't seem like we're flush with cash though.

So if we can't afford the Silva's or Villa's of this world then I figure someone like Petrov could be a decentish stopgap.
He's got pace, is direct, can take a defender on, has a wicked left foot and puts in quality crosses.
With Dirk on the right and Petrov on the left we'd have good balance.

Although I like Riera he just doesn't have the pace and IMO is not very good at crossing.
Babel, well, he's just got pace.
 
I don't get why some posters think that any player we sign HAS to be a proven star costing big money, or at the very least a definite first team starter. If we ain't got the cash we ain't got the cash. I want Silva but if we can't afford him then I want somebody who can contribute on a number of levels (good sub, star players injured, change of tactics) because our squad is rather thin to say the least.
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35172.msg922885#msg922885 date=1250063979]
I don't get why some posters think that any player we sign HAS to be a proven star costing big money, or at the very least a definite first team starter. If we ain't got the cash we ain't got the cash. I want Silva but if we can't afford him then I want somebody who can contribute on a number of levels (good sub, star players injured, change of tactics) because our squad is rather thin to say the least.
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It's not *that* thin out wide though. We have four players who are usually played on the flanks in Kuyt, Riera, Yossi and Babel. And then we have a few others such as Dossena, El Zhar and now maybe even Degen or Johnson that can be drafted in also.

The whole point of signing a wide man this summer was that he was supposed to provide us with that extra bit of class we lack. If there is a great bargain out there that will help us then by all means, but there is no urgent need to bring in a wide player.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=35172.msg922897#msg922897 date=1250064658]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35172.msg922885#msg922885 date=1250063979]
I don't get why some posters think that any player we sign HAS to be a proven star costing big money, or at the very least a definite first team starter. If we ain't got the cash we ain't got the cash. I want Silva but if we can't afford him then I want somebody who can contribute on a number of levels (good sub, star players injured, change of tactics) because our squad is rather thin to say the least.
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It's not *that* thin out wide though. We have four players who are usually played on the flanks in Kuyt, Riera, Yossi and Babel. And then we have a few others such as Dossena, El Zhar and now maybe even Degen or Johnson that can be drafted in also.

The whole point of signing a wide man this summer was that he was supposed to provide us with that extra bit of class we lack. If there is a great bargain out there that will help us then by all means, but there is no urgent need to bring in a wide player.
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Urgent need - probably not. But we drew so many games last season mainly because we failed to stretch them, or have a Plan B to do so (due to lack of personnel to implement it), to give our strikers room to breath when faced with 10 men blanket defences.

I think a true winger could provide that and if it's Silva then whoopee but if not then a decent winger (Petrov is another excellent call to Guttierez) could make all the difference. None of Kuyt, Yossi and Babel, Dossena, El Zhar, Degen or Johnson are left wingers and provide viable alternatives in that position to Riera. I think we are well covered on the right so LW is one of our areas of potential weakness (striker and CB it seems are the others). Pennant - before anyone raises his spectre - had neither the pace or the skills to go past defenders on a regular basis, both Guttierez and Petrov do.
 
[quote author=SaRed link=topic=35172.msg922857#msg922857 date=1250058315]
Haha... true ;D

It doesn't seem like we're flush with cash though.

So if we can't afford the Silva's or Villa's of this world then I figure someone like Petrov could be a decentish stopgap.
He's got pace, is direct, can take a defender on, has a wicked left foot and puts in quality crosses.
With Dirk on the right and Petrov on the left we'd have good balance.

Although I like Riera he just doesn't have the pace and IMO is not very good at crossing.
Babel, well, he's just got pace.
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Why do we need a stopgap? We have adequate if not brilliant players on the wings as is. Wasting money on players who do not improve the team is one reason why we have seemed to be perennially short of cash to buy players who are upgrades (cf Simao, Alves fiascos).

(Although if we were to get a winger in the vein of the players mentioned in this thread, Petrov is probably the only one I'd be particularly interested in.)
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35172.msg922905#msg922905 date=1250066038]
Urgent need - probably not. But we drew so many games last season mainly because we failed to stretch them, or have a Plan B to do so (due to lack of personnel to implement it), to give our strikers room to breath when faced with 10 men blanket defences.

I think a true winger could provide that and if it's Silva then whoopee but if not then a decent winger (Petrov is another excellent call to Guttierez) could make all the difference. None of Kuyt, Yossi and Babel, Dossena, El Zhar, Degen or Johnson are left wingers and provide viable alternatives in that position to Riera. I think we are well covered on the right so LW is one of our areas of potential weakness (striker and CB it seems are the others). Pennant - before anyone raises his spectre - had neither the pace or the skills to go past defenders on a regular basis, both Guttierez and Petrov do.
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Silva isn't a true winger by any stretch of the imagination - he is an attacking midfielder that like Yossi can play across the three positions.

As for stretching teams, I think we'll see more of that with Johnson and Insua bombing down the flanks to provide width whilst the Kuyt or Riera cut inside.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=35172.msg922919#msg922919 date=1250067495]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35172.msg922905#msg922905 date=1250066038]
Urgent need - probably not. But we drew so many games last season mainly because we failed to stretch them, or have a Plan B to do so (due to lack of personnel to implement it), to give our strikers room to breath when faced with 10 men blanket defences.

I think a true winger could provide that and if it's Silva then whoopee but if not then a decent winger (Petrov is another excellent call to Guttierez) could make all the difference. None of Kuyt, Yossi and Babel, Dossena, El Zhar, Degen or Johnson are left wingers and provide viable alternatives in that position to Riera. I think we are well covered on the right so LW is one of our areas of potential weakness (striker and CB it seems are the others). Pennant - before anyone raises his spectre - had neither the pace or the skills to go past defenders on a regular basis, both Guttierez and Petrov do.
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Silva isn't a true winger by any stretch of the imagination - he is an attacking midfielder that like Yossi can play across the three positions.

As for stretching teams, I think we'll see more of that with Johnson and Insua bombing down the flanks to provide width whilst the Kuyt or Riera cut inside.
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I think you could well be right as far as the highlighted sentence goes. Although Silva can play in a number of positions (including subbing for Stevie at AM when he's not in the team) he is a truer 'winger' than either Riera or Kuyt. I would really love him to play for Liverpool - but I said that about Quaresma too. What is it with me and these Latin wingers 😱
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=35172.msg922897#msg922897 date=1250064658]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35172.msg922885#msg922885 date=1250063979]
I don't get why some posters think that any player we sign HAS to be a proven star costing big money, or at the very least a definite first team starter. If we ain't got the cash we ain't got the cash. I want Silva but if we can't afford him then I want somebody who can contribute on a number of levels (good sub, star players injured, change of tactics) because our squad is rather thin to say the least.
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It's not *that* thin out wide though. We have four players who are usually played on the flanks in Kuyt, Riera, Yossi and Babel. And then we have a few others such as Dossena, El Zhar and now maybe even Degen or Johnson that can be drafted in also.

The whole point of signing a wide man this summer was that he was supposed to provide us with that extra bit of class we lack. If there is a great bargain out there that will help us then by all means, but there is no urgent need to bring in a wide player.
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Yup.

Problem isnt the squad being thin, its mainly being average.
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35172.msg922952#msg922952 date=1250071564]
I think you could well be right as far as the highlighted sentence goes. Although Silva can play in a number of positions (including subbing for Stevie at AM when he's not in the team) he is a truer 'winger' than either Riera or Kuyt. I would really love him to play for Liverpool - but I said that about Quaresma too. What is it with me and these Latin wingers 😱
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More of a winger than Riera?

What makes you say that?
 
[quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=35172.msg922912#msg922912 date=1250066496]
[quote author=SaRed link=topic=35172.msg922857#msg922857 date=1250058315]
Haha... true ;D

It doesn't seem like we're flush with cash though.

So if we can't afford the Silva's or Villa's of this world then I figure someone like Petrov could be a decentish stopgap.
He's got pace, is direct, can take a defender on, has a wicked left foot and puts in quality crosses.
With Dirk on the right and Petrov on the left we'd have good balance.

Although I like Riera he just doesn't have the pace and IMO is not very good at crossing.
Babel, well, he's just got pace.
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Why do we need a stopgap? We have adequate if not brilliant players on the wings as is. Wasting money on players who do not improve the team is one reason why we have seemed to be perennially short of cash to buy players who are upgrades (cf Simao, Alves fiascos).

(Although if we were to get a winger in the vein of the players mentioned in this thread, Petrov is probably the only one I'd be particularly interested in.)
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I didn't mean a stopgap in a Pennant sort of way.
I don't think we have brilliant players on the left and I think that Petrov would improve us there.
He's got pace and has the ability to take on players and would offer something different to Kuyt on the right.

I was thinking 'stopgap' as he's already 30 so he'd come in until next season (or Jan) when we can afford to splash out on a top quality player (I'm assuming we don't have much left in the kitty).
He's a marginal improvement, but that margin could just be the 4 points we missed out on last season.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=35172.msg922962#msg922962 date=1250072292]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35172.msg922952#msg922952 date=1250071564]
I think you could well be right as far as the highlighted sentence goes. Although Silva can play in a number of positions (including subbing for Stevie at AM when he's not in the team) he is a truer 'winger' than either Riera or Kuyt. I would really love him to play for Liverpool - but I said that about Quaresma too. What is it with me and these Latin wingers 😱
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More of a winger than Riera?

What makes you say that?
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Riera's propensity to cut / pass inside, instead of going past the last man or going to the byline before crossing / passing. Riera's crosses are invariably from deep.
 
[quote author=SaRed link=topic=35172.msg922964#msg922964 date=1250072658]
[quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=35172.msg922912#msg922912 date=1250066496]
[quote author=SaRed link=topic=35172.msg922857#msg922857 date=1250058315]
Haha... true ;D

It doesn't seem like we're flush with cash though.

So if we can't afford the Silva's or Villa's of this world then I figure someone like Petrov could be a decentish stopgap.
He's got pace, is direct, can take a defender on, has a wicked left foot and puts in quality crosses.
With Dirk on the right and Petrov on the left we'd have good balance.

Although I like Riera he just doesn't have the pace and IMO is not very good at crossing.
Babel, well, he's just got pace.
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Why do we need a stopgap? We have adequate if not brilliant players on the wings as is. Wasting money on players who do not improve the team is one reason why we have seemed to be perennially short of cash to buy players who are upgrades (cf Simao, Alves fiascos).

(Although if we were to get a winger in the vein of the players mentioned in this thread, Petrov is probably the only one I'd be particularly interested in.)
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I didn't mean a stopgap in a Pennant sort of way.
I don't think we have brilliant players on the left and I think that Petrov would improve us there.
He's got pace and has the ability to take on players and would offer something different to Kuyt on the right.

I was thinking 'stopgap' as he's already 30 so he'd come in until next season (or Jan) when we can afford to splash out on a top quality player (I'm assuming we don't have much left in the kitty).
He's a marginal improvement, but that margin could just be the 4 points we missed out on last season.
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Exactly the point I'm making - a marginal improvement could be just enough of an improvement to bring us the title.
 
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