Why we shouldn't have signed Suarez

[Akakabooto]

[quote author=peterhague link=topic=46367.msg1376004#msg1376004 date=1312751068]
i agree with you neil, it was a complete travesty for ghana, and anyone saying it's their fault for missing the pen is being incredibly harsh, but i don't think it reflects particularly badly on suarez. most players would've done the same, given the totally inadequate rules of the game.
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I agree Ghana were really really unlucky on that incident but I don't think there's that much wrong with the rules. In many cases if given choice people would take a penalty and an opponent sent off instead of a goal and a yellow for example. The situations where this becomes an issue are so rare it makes it a very marginal problem but perhaps there could be a rule of awarding a goal if it happens during the last 10 mins? At least in major tournaments where that one goal can be so much more valuable.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=juniormember link=topic=46367.msg1376095#msg1376095 date=1312789882]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46367.msg1376010#msg1376010 date=1312752314]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46367.msg1376007#msg1376007 date=1312751687]
I was harsh on Ghana, I'll be honest, because they were having a great World Cup, but he took it for the team, he knew he'd get a ban and he showed as much when he cried leaving the pitch. I'd sooner him do that than act like a cock for personal glory, ala Balotelli.
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we definately need to start cheating some more away from home. for instance we take the lead and then allow the opposition to to build up a head of steam and then comes the inevitable equaliser, we need to do things like go down easily under a challenge and then stay down so it completely takes the momentum out of the game. we're too nice.
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Bollocks.
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So we're 'clever' away from home? Why is it we rarely take 3 points despite taking the lead? It can't all be down to a rubbish defense.

 

[ILD]

Neil how about we try some other options out first in away games if we're winning.

A) Perhaps try and score another goal and close out the game
B) Concentrate at the back and try not concede a goal

If A and B both fail they maybe we should try your plan of start cheating some more and then go down easily under a challenge and then stay down so it completely takes the momentum out of the game

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=ILD link=topic=46367.msg1376102#msg1376102 date=1312792203]
Neil how about we try some other options out first in away games if we're winning.

A) Perhaps try and score another goal and close out the game
B) Concentrate at the back and try not concede a goal

If A and B both fail they maybe we should try your plan of start cheating some more and then go down easily under a challenge and then stay down so it completely takes the momentum out of the game
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Far too often we play into the opposition's hands when they up the tempo, we become rushed and hurried rather than doing whatever we can to take the sting out of the game. Our previous three managers looked to hold onto leads away from home rather than looking for more goals (which is fair enough) if that is the tactic we are going to employ then we should be clever about it.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46367.msg1376104#msg1376104 date=1312792718]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=46367.msg1376102#msg1376102 date=1312792203]
Neil how about we try some other options out first in away games if we're winning.

A) Perhaps try and score another goal and close out the game
B) Concentrate at the back and try not concede a goal

If A and B both fail they maybe we should try your plan of start cheating some more and then go down easily under a challenge and then stay down so it completely takes the momentum out of the game
[/quote]


Far too often we play into the opposition's hands when they up the tempo, we become rushed and hurried rather than doing whatever we can to take the sting out of the game. Our previous three managers looked to hold onto leads away from home rather than looking for more goals (which is fair enough) if that is the tactic we are going to employ then we should be clever about it.
[/quote]You should write to Kenny.

 

[ILD]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46367.msg1376107#msg1376107 date=1312792850]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46367.msg1376104#msg1376104 date=1312792718]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=46367.msg1376102#msg1376102 date=1312792203]
Neil how about we try some other options out first in away games if we're winning.

A) Perhaps try and score another goal and close out the game
B) Concentrate at the back and try not concede a goal

If A and B both fail they maybe we should try your plan of start cheating some more and then go down easily under a challenge and then stay down so it completely takes the momentum out of the game
[/quote]


Far too often we play into the opposition's hands when they up the tempo, we become rushed and hurried rather than doing whatever we can to take the sting out of the game. Our previous three managers looked to hold onto leads away from home rather than looking for more goals (which is fair enough) if that is the tactic we are going to employ then we should be clever about it.
[/quote]You should write to Kenny.
[/quote]

It worked for Villa Boas after he wrote to Bobby Robson and look at him now. Soon Spidey will be a smooth suit wearing bastard.

 

[themn]

I thought Neil was joking.

Blimey !

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=ILD link=topic=46367.msg1376110#msg1376110 date=1312793136]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46367.msg1376107#msg1376107 date=1312792850]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46367.msg1376104#msg1376104 date=1312792718]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=46367.msg1376102#msg1376102 date=1312792203]
Neil how about we try some other options out first in away games if we're winning.

A) Perhaps try and score another goal and close out the game
B) Concentrate at the back and try not concede a goal

If A and B both fail they maybe we should try your plan of start cheating some more and then go down easily under a challenge and then stay down so it completely takes the momentum out of the game
[/quote]


Far too often we play into the opposition's hands when they up the tempo, we become rushed and hurried rather than doing whatever we can to take the sting out of the game. Our previous three managers looked to hold onto leads away from home rather than looking for more goals (which is fair enough) if that is the tactic we are going to employ then we should be clever about it.
[/quote]You should write to Kenny.
[/quote]

It worked for Villa Boas after he wrote to Bobby Robson and look at him now. Soon Spidey will be a smooth suit wearing bastard.
[/quote]Im assuming that VIlla Boas wrote something slightly more coherent than 'We should dive a bit, be a bit clever you know, feign injuries to take the sting out of games, be savvy Kenny, a bit woaah and a bit waaaay'
But then i dont really know, maybe Villa Boas is a cabbage.

 

[FoxForceFive]

TBH I felt gutted for Ghana, but said immediately that in many ways it was a great thing to do for the team, he sacrificed his place to help the team progress. Yeah, through cheating, but did any of you slag henchoz off?!

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=46367.msg1376116#msg1376116 date=1312793627]
TBH I felt gutted for Ghana, but said immediately that in many ways it was a great thing to do for the team, he sacrificed his place to help the team progress. Yeah, through cheating, but did any of you slag henchoz off?!
[/quote]Kanwar probably did the fucking supercilious mongaloid fuck.

 

[The Slugmonster]

[quote author=ILD link=topic=46367.msg1376102#msg1376102 date=1312792203]
Neil how about we try some other options out first in away games if we're winning.

A) Perhaps try and score another goal and close out the game
B) Concentrate at the back and try not concede a goal

If A and B both fail they maybe we should try your plan of start cheating some more and then go down easily under a challenge and then stay down so it completely takes the momentum out of the game
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It doesnt really matter which you try first, whether its a teams first intention to cheat or one like Barcelona when they resort to 'busquets cunt mode' when things arent going their way! Either way some teams are prepared to do whatever it takes. I'm not advocating that we do it all the time, but the majority of fans will only remember Barcelona's classy football and not their cuntiness at times during the last few years. Obviously we should try win clean and with good football....its the way Liverpool should.....but we do need players like Suarez that are prepared to go the extra mile to get us there if needs be!!

 

[ILD]

I've no problem with our players cheating (to an extent) to gain an advantage. Im sure we'd all turn a blind eye to it.

I was talking the piss with my reply to Neil obv. but there are other options we should be prioritising before we enter operation cheat mode. I've no problem with us being a bit clever (as Neil put it) when the opportunity arises. Didi was a master at it. We're under pressure and he would do his famous Didi crumble. (I think Brendan coined the phrase)

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=46367.msg1376118#msg1376118 date=1312793890]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=46367.msg1376102#msg1376102 date=1312792203]
Neil how about we try some other options out first in away games if we're winning.

A) Perhaps try and score another goal and close out the game
B) Concentrate at the back and try not concede a goal

If A and B both fail they maybe we should try your plan of start cheating some more and then go down easily under a challenge and then stay down so it completely takes the momentum out of the game
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It doesnt really matter which you try first, whether its a teams first intention to cheat or one like Barcelona when they resort to 'busquets cunt mode' when things arent going their way! Either way some teams are prepared to do whatever it takes. I'm not advocating that we do it all the time, but the majority of fans will only remember Barcelona's classy football and not their cuntiness at times during the last few years. Obviously we should try win clean and with good football....its the way Liverpool should.....but we do need players like Suarez that are prepared to go the extra mile to get us there if needs be!!
[/quote]

exactly. 'oh, it's not the liverpool way'. I thought the liverpool way was winning.

 

[ILD]

No one said it isn't Neil.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=ILD link=topic=46367.msg1376120#msg1376120 date=1312794418]
I've no problem with our players cheating (to an extent) to gain an advantage. Im sure we'd all turn a blind eye to it.

I was talking the piss with my reply to Neil obv. but there are other options we should be prioritising before we enter operation cheat mode. I've no problem with us being a bit clever (as Neil put it) when the opportunity arises. Didi was a master at it. We're under pressure and did his famous Didi crumble. (I think Brendan coined the phrase)
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obviously I wouldn't want us to turn into a bunch of cunts like barca where they take the PISS with regards to cheating when things are going tits up but when we are losing control of the game (as is our want, away from home) we need to do things to swing pendulum back in our favour, to be honest we're going to HAVE to if we want a sniff of top four.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

So, who was furiously fingering through The Yellow Pages to find 'Hitmen' after Gerrard's tumble in Istanbul?

 

[Fabio]

Dunno about the yellow pages but i definitely was furiously fingering something

 

[Richey]

[quote author=ILD link=topic=46367.msg1376073#msg1376073 date=1312775351]
I didn't read the Poulsen garbage? Did he really provide a case for him at this late stage. Jesus.

He seems to pick a polar opposite viewpoint in a pathetic attempt to make himself seem that little bit more intelligent than the 'average' fan. Sadly he comes across a bit.. well... erm..mental as per usual.
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He could well be the most annoying person on the internet.

He is desperate to be controversial so posts wild nonsense to get a reaction, then when he gets it he doesn't debate with anyone but bans them from his site and claims that they can't handle his hard hitting views.

As I mentioned before, it seems from his site that he has given up on football and instead he is "watching non-cheating, stand-up guys like John Barnes, Peter Beardsley, Robbie Fowler, and Ian Rush in season review videos from the 80s and 90s". That in itself is pretty tragic behaviour when you think about it but I suspect that he genuinely thinks that Liverpool FC is somehow the loser in this scenario by missing out on his support.

He probably expects his legions of fans to storm Anfield in protest, demanding that the team submit to his demands so they can have the privilege of having him write about them again.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=46367.msg1376134#msg1376134 date=1312796400]
So, who was furiously fingering through The Yellow Pages to find 'Hitmen' after Gerrard's tumble in Istanbul?
[/quote]

he was tripped 😉

 

[Judge Jules]

Yes he was. Gattuso caught his back leg.

 

[vikas]

Two things:

a) Gerrard was actually fouled by Gattuso, although he made a meal of it.

b) You're in a world cup quarter final, and the hopes of your country reaching the semis requires you sacrificing yourself by sticking an arm out. How many people honestly would say "fuck it, I'm a good decent boy, I'm not excercising our last possible option to stay in here, lets just go out." Seriously?

 

[Richey]

[quote author=vikas link=topic=46367.msg1376162#msg1376162 date=1312803404]
Two things:

a) Gerrard was actually fouled by Gattuso, although he made a meal of it.

b) You're in a world cup quarter final, and the hopes of your country reaching the semis requires you sacrificing yourself by sticking an arm out. How many people honestly would say "fuck it, I'm a good decent boy, I'm not excercising our last possible option to stay in here, lets just go out." Seriously?
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Absolutely.

If there is contact in the box that is enough to put you off your stride then of course you should go down. Gattuso did enough to reduce Gerrard's chances of scoring. If making a meal of it is the difference between the referee seeing or not then he was right to make a meal of it.

And totally agree with that regarding Suarez. Yeah he broke the rules but he didn't exactly hide the fact (not that he really could) and he did get sent off. Its fine for people to go all misty eyed about the old days but players were committing fouls and getting sent off then, normally to gain some kind of advantage.

Didn't Terry McDermott do a similar thing in the league cup final years ago? Was he hounded out of Anfield for being a cheat?

 

[Atlas]

[quote author=themn link=topic=46367.msg1375988#msg1375988 date=1312749237]
Look, let's cut the doo doo !

We've let Luis off/forgiven his cheatin' ass because he's been the absolute BOSS BOOM-LICK for us.

If he'd been crap, we would all be condemning him for what he did that night in South Africa.
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Not all of us, I'm over the moon he has been BOOM BOOM etc for us, but that has no bearing on him 'cheating'.
He did what he had to do he payed the price and suffered the consequences for it and took it in his stride. As mentioned before it really really different from say the Henry situation against Ireland.

 

[vikas]

[quote author=Richey link=topic=46367.msg1376169#msg1376169 date=1312805246]
[quote author=vikas link=topic=46367.msg1376162#msg1376162 date=1312803404]
Two things:

a) Gerrard was actually fouled by Gattuso, although he made a meal of it.

b) You're in a world cup quarter final, and the hopes of your country reaching the semis requires you sacrificing yourself by sticking an arm out. How many people honestly would say "fuck it, I'm a good decent boy, I'm not excercising our last possible option to stay in here, lets just go out." Seriously?
[/quote]

Absolutely.

If there is contact in the box that is enough to put you off your stride then of course you should go down. Gattuso did enough to reduce Gerrard's chances of scoring. If making a meal of it is the difference between the referee seeing or not then he was right to make a meal of it.

And totally agree with that regarding Suarez. Yeah he broke the rules but he didn't exactly hide the fact (not that he really could) and he did get sent off. Its fine for people to go all misty eyed about the old days but players were committing fouls and getting sent off then, normally to gain some kind of advantage.

Didn't Terry McDermott do a similar thing in the league cup final years ago? Was he hounded out of Anfield for being a cheat?
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Amen, it just seems pretty black and white on both really, maybe we're missing some dimension of thought here.

Anyone for a "legendary" Henchoz handball on the line in an FA Cup final? ;D

 

[Oncy]

Gerrard wasnt fouled by Gattuso.

What a crock.

 

[Home and A Gay]

Kanwar is an anagram of Wankar.

Ghana still got their chance to win the game they missed tough tittie.
On another subject does anyone think that Fowler missed that penalty on purpose in Highbury?

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46367.msg1376214#msg1376214 date=1312810451]
Gerrard wasnt fouled by Gattuso.

What a crock.
[/quote]

Yes he was.

What a broken record.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=46367.msg1376242#msg1376242 date=1312814284]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46367.msg1376214#msg1376214 date=1312810451]
Gerrard wasnt fouled by Gattuso.

What a crock.
[/quote]

Yes he was.

What a broken record.
[/quote]Broken record? I dont think i have EVER mentioned this before.
There isnt any contact, its a dive. Im a Liverpool fan so i dont really care, but it wasnt a foul, nothing like it. Im still thankful it was given though.

 

[Judge Jules]

Not so much you as the school of thought generally.

There WAS contact. Gattuso's fly enough not to trip a player openly in a situation like that, but he clipped Gerrard's back leg. It's a very smart foul because it's both effective and hard to spot, hence its popularity in Serie A. Unfortunately for Gattuso it's also prevalent in La Liga and the ref.that night was Spanish.

 

[Oncy]

I dont agree JJ.
I dont think it was a foul. I think Gerrard dived.
Either way im not really bothered though.