Why do so many fans at OT wear those green & yellow scarves?

[Whaddapie]

Aren't they contradicting their own stances by paying the Glazers for their match tickets and any food / drink they consume while there, all whilst protesting the fact that the Glazers are there at all?

Surely for them (and us now, which is why I bring it up at all), the only real message they'd understand is a full boycot of a game / number of games?

Does anybody think that would ever happen? The players would know that the protest wasn't a lcak of support for them... Wouldn't the short-term pain be worth the potential long-term gain?

I'm surprised that a real effort to make this happen hasn't taken place by now.

 

[Avmenon]

They're not broke yet, I suppose.

 

[Spionkop69]

No boycott will work as there are plenty of people who would turn up in their place - who would more than likely spend more than the regulars.

 

[Rosco]

And the Glazers have managed to buy up the PIK loans that were a major problem for United. Now instead owing interest to whoever previously owned them that interest will be owed to the Glazers.

The difficulty for us being that the interest doesn't have to be paid every years on them, they can simply roll it up every year. That gives United a bit more financial flexibility,

 

[Whaddapie]

[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=41996.msg1179480#msg1179480 date=1285097107]
No boycott will work as there are plenty of people who would turn up in their place - who would more than likely spend more than the regulars.
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You don't think that, if it were organised a couple of months in advance, and everybody knew why Anfield was going to be desserted, non-match going Liverpool fans would 'get' that they shouldn't go to the game, just because a ticket or two became available..?

 

[Spionkop69]

[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=41996.msg1179483#msg1179483 date=1285097246]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=41996.msg1179480#msg1179480 date=1285097107]
No boycott will work as there are plenty of people who would turn up in their place - who would more than likely spend more than the regulars.
[/quote]

You don't think that, if it were organised a couple of months in advance, and everybody knew why Anfield was going to be desserted, non-match going Liverpool fans would 'get' that they shouldn't go to the game, just because a ticket or two became available..?
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Not in any way, shape or form.

 

[SaintGeorge67]

The yellow and green scarves have become a fashion statement. They sell them in hmv on market street.

 

[Whaddapie]

[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=41996.msg1179490#msg1179490 date=1285097624]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=41996.msg1179483#msg1179483 date=1285097246]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=41996.msg1179480#msg1179480 date=1285097107]
No boycott will work as there are plenty of people who would turn up in their place - who would more than likely spend more than the regulars.
[/quote]

You don't think that, if it were organised a couple of months in advance, and everybody knew why Anfield was going to be desserted, non-match going Liverpool fans would 'get' that they shouldn't go to the game, just because a ticket or two became available..?
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Not in any way, shape or form.
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I see. So much for us being the most educated, intelligent football supporters out there...

 

[Spionkop69]

Well once the "intelligent" ones do boycott, then that only leaves the rest. Not all LFC fans are intelligent or educated. You only have to trawl fora such as these and look at comments on any LFC facebook page.

 

[SaintGeorge67]

Ha, some of the facebook comments are indeed astounding.

 

[manwithnoname]

Boss how so many interested and concerned contributors don't and never have lived in the northwest of England

 

[Stulikesdrums]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41996.msg1179590#msg1179590 date=1285103606]
Boss how so many interested and concerned contributors don't and never have lived in the northwest of England
[/quote]

And?

When you click on your username and look at your profile what does it say under 'location'?

 

[Richey]

I suspect the anti-Glazer scarves have become a must-have for the average home counties United superfan.

 

[keniget]

[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=41996.msg1179483#msg1179483 date=1285097246]
You don't think that, if it were organised a couple of months in advance, and everybody knew why Anfield was going to be desserted, non-match going Liverpool fans would 'get' that they shouldn't go to the game, just because a ticket or two became available..?
[/quote]

The problem generally is that the seats that are perhaps more easily guaranteed to stay empty are the ones that have been paid for in advance. So once again it'd end up being a symbolic protest, albeit a more powerful one than marching outside the ground.

 

[Portly]

I can't see how a supporter boycott would make the slightest difference to anything. What would it be supposed to achieve?

 

[peterhague]

[quote author=Portly link=topic=41996.msg1179655#msg1179655 date=1285111941]
I can't see how a supporter boycott would make the slightest difference to anything. What would it be supposed to achieve?
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well, i suppose ultimately, at the absolute extreme, the fans do have the power to force a sale through boycotting, as clearly all the money the club gets comes from its fans.

that sort of boycott would be almost impossible to organise though, as all potential match-goers would have to agree not to buy tickets, and then you'd have the worry of just how much damage it could do to the club. it'd be like trying to organise a strike without a union.

 

[Portly]

Don't forget the TV money accounts for a lot more revenue than gate receipts.

Even if a boycott produced a significant reduction in gate receipts, which I doubt would ever happen, surely this would make the club less saleable by depressing income and making it a less attractive business proposition.

 

[peterhague]

[quote author=Portly link=topic=41996.msg1179662#msg1179662 date=1285113583]
Don't forget the TV money accounts for a lot more revenue than gate receipts.

Even if a boycott produced a significant reduction in gate receipts, which I doubt would ever happen, surely this would make the club less saleable by depressing income and making it a less attractive business proposition.
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i hadn't forgotten that, but i think if a complete boycott of anfield was ever organised it'd be enough to force a sale by itself, as you'd be looking at around £40m a season.

and i agree that it could do huge damage to the club's fortunes.

 

[Whaddapie]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41996.msg1179590#msg1179590 date=1285103606]
Boss how so many interested and concerned contributors don't and never have lived in the northwest of England
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Took you longer than I expected, but you got here, as predictable as ever...

I guess I'll stop caring about the club I've suppoerted for 35 years now, 'cos the mighty Biffa doesn't think anyone living outside of a 10 mile radius of Anfield is worthy.

 

[Whaddapie]

[quote author=Portly link=topic=41996.msg1179655#msg1179655 date=1285111941]
I can't see how a supporter boycott would make the slightest difference to anything. What would it be supposed to achieve?
[/quote]

Theoretically, if 45,000 DIDN'T pay the usual (what?) $100+ each, for a couple of Saturdays in a row, it MIGHT persuade Hicks to cut his losses and get out..?

I get the logistics of it all would be nigh on impossible to oversee, but wouldn't it do more damage to these two wankers than a sing-song after a game, that everybody's already paid them to watch?

 

[Spionkop69]

[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=41996.msg1179674#msg1179674 date=1285119355]
[quote author=Portly link=topic=41996.msg1179655#msg1179655 date=1285111941]
I can't see how a supporter boycott would make the slightest difference to anything. What would it be supposed to achieve?
[/quote]

Theoretically, if 45,000 DIDN'T pay the usual (what?) $100+ each, for a couple of Saturdays in a row, it MIGHT persuade Hicks to cut his losses and get out..?

I get the logistics of it all would be nigh on impossible to oversee, but wouldn't it do more damage to these two wankers than a sing-song after a game, that everybody's already paid them to watch?
[/quote]

But 25000 odd of those 45,000 have already paid for their seats as season ticket holders.

 

[Avmenon]

I'm a bit torn about this issue, to be honest.

I can fully understand the financial implications; and a boycott is probably the only feasible supporters action that would work.

But at the same time I wonder if this would have a terrible impact on the team as a whole; imagine trooping out of the tunnel against the Scum to a tinny YNWA on the tannoy because there are no fans in the stadium.

There have been many posts as to how it's sickening that finance has taken over the football at Anfield; I just wonder if a boycott would in its own way be the same thing.

I've hesitated to comment on this post for personal reasons, of course..I'd dreamed of going to Anfield for 30 years, and there are millions like that who just want to watch THEIR team troop out in the Red colours. If we take the fans away from the players, and the players away from the fans, I'm not sure if we have anything left.

I'm not getting the words right; I'm trying not to sound like a git.

I'm just trying to say that this club and the team mean so much to so many; must it take separation to achieve the ends we all want?

It might, but it just feels so horrid.

When I left the first time, all I could think of was wehn could I return.

It was the same at my 2nd trip.

It will be the same at my 3rd trip.

Am I a bad person for wanting to go even if it means putting money into the fucking Yanks pockets?

Truth is, I might be...but it feels so depressing to think like this.

Maybe that makes me a worse fan than rage.

 

[Spionkop69]

[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=41996.msg1179745#msg1179745 date=1285140794]

Maybe that makes me a worse fan than rage.


[/quote]

Hahahaha! Fat chance!