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Why Broughton, not Hodgson, now has the biggest say in Liverpool's future

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a bit of an optimistic tone to this one to lift the mood a bit............

Amid the nervous fanfare of a new manager’s arrival at Anfield last week, some significant announcements crept out, almost unnoticed.

One was that new boss Roy Hodgson recognises implicitly the standing that Kenny Dalglish has at the club, and will ask him to fulfil a new role covering ‘player development at all levels’, which sounds suspiciously like something a director of football would do.

The other – and perhaps most significant in terms of the future of Liverpool Football Club – was almost a throwaway line from chairman Martin Broughton, who was wheeled in to handle what was clearly felt to be a sensitive press conference.

When questioned on persistent rumours about an impending takeover, he insisted that, contrary to the myth an announcement would be made on July 17, nothing was imminent.

But he reiterated the idea that he and his fellow board members now had jurisdiction over any sale, leaving American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett on the outside of the process, looking in.

In the desperate conflict that has developed in trying to rid Liverpool of their disastrous ownership regime, that is just about the best news supporters could have received in recent weeks. If it proves to be true.

Broughton explained that there have been no bids so far, but several expressions of interest, and the first round of talks with all parties should be underway by mid-July.

In effect, an auction will then take place, with the board deciding which is the best offer, and then pushing a sale through, even if it isn’t the highest bid. In effect, the chairman was suggesting he will decide what is best for Liverpool, and not necessarily best for the Americans.

Under normal circumstances, you would treat such claims with a scepticism derived from three years of wild claims and false statements from the Yanks who have brought Anfield almost to its knees.

Yet, put into context, there is reason to attach cautious optimism to the announcement. For a start, Broughton is a big beast in the business world, whose reputation transcends Liverpool.

He was approached by a friend of Hicks and brought in by Barclays Capital, to add credibility to what was a busted process. The simple equation was, Liverpool was a company worth buying, the figures all added up, but no one trusted or believed those who were selling.

Broughton’s position as a heavyweight of British business, with such a cast-iron reputation, opened doors that were previously closed. But by the same token, he will not risk that reputation, by getting involved in any American spin or dubious dealings.

There is a rumour on the business grapevine that Willie Walsh, the chief executive of British Airways, is not best pleased with his chairman at B.A. Broughton’s involvement at Anfield, given their own very high profile problems at the moment. It is tolerated, apparently, because of the sense that there can be a swift, relatively unmessy conclusion to the process.

Given that his reputation is so obviously at stake, there is no reason to believe anything other that Broughton’s words were accurate last week, which offers hope, because at the right price, there will be plenty of attractive alternatives to the American ownership.

But the other side of that equation is the fact that Broughton must now deliver. He talks about finding the right owners for Liverpool, and talks about doing that even by the end of August if negotiations go well.

With his credibility at stake, he now has to demonstrate that it can be the case. Too often in the last two years, we have been offered vague promises of movement towards a new regime, and nothing has happened.

If Broughton has the power to push a deal through, then he must do it. He must be strong in keeping Gillett and especially Hicks at arms length, and clever in out manoeuvring what will be their inevitable objections.

In America, Hicks has lost control of his Texas Rangers franchise, after defaulting on loans and going into the bankruptcy courts. Yet, because of his vast business experience, he still seems able to dictate the terms of the forced sale of the baseball club.

Clearly, the same could happen at Liverpool, even though he has apparently given his word over a sale to Barclays Capital. So strength is required, although those who have dealt with the B.A. chairman suggest he is not lacking in that area.

What he doesn’t have though, is a vast working knowledge of football (he can’t have if he’s a Chelsea fan!), and what he has to recognise quickly is what constitutes the right owner for Liverpool.

Let’s face it, there are few benevolent billionaires out there, and as much as a fans’ ownership has it obvious attractions, it is hard to envisage a situation where enough money can be raised to make that situation a reality.

Which means there are depressingly few options when it comes to deciding on a suitable new owner for Liverpool. In essence, it will come down to who is best placed to run the club, and maximise its potential.

One of the worst aspects of the American ownership has been the constant gloom their presence envelopes the club in. Because of the debt placed on the club, there is no chance of making any profits, even if it is run properly.

In recent years, the commercial team led by Ian Ayre and Philip Nash have transformed the operation from an almost amateur, bumbling commercial enterprise, to one that now rivals the likes of Manchester United. They had one sponsor, now they have 12 and counting.

They had one club store, now there are many, they had no presence in the far east, now they are the strongest club out there. Yet all that good work is being submerged by ridiculously high interest payments.

What Broughton must do is deliver owners who will not place debt on the club. RBS chief executive Stephen Hester said as much in an interview last week – and his company makes money out of that debt!

There are many who say Liverpool are doomed, seem to revel in their predictions they will lose all their best players and become a mid-table mediocrity. But there is another scenario if Broughton delivers.

Under the right ownership, with little debt placed on the club, a new stadium can be built quickly, and the commercial gains made recently can be developed even further. With the right infrastructure, with the right people at the helm, Liverpool can be amongst the biggest in the world.

Released from the misery of debt, they will make their rivals down the road at Old Trafford extremely worried, because Liverpool are still amongst the biggest, widest supported clubs in the world. Without debt last year, there would have been upwards of £70million to spend on new players.

Of course, that scenario is only possible if Broughton gets it right. So Liverpool fans must ask their new chairman not only to protect his own reputation by delivering on his word, but protect the reputation of one of the world’s historic clubs, because he would be doing a service to the whole of football.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/david-maddock/David-Maddock-column-Why-Liverpool-chairman-Martin-Broughton-not-Roy-Hodgson-now-has-the-biggest-say-in-Anfield-s-future-as-he-seeks-a-buyer-for-Tom-Hicks-and-George-Gillett-article517841.html
 
The one bit of that which doesn't ring true is the bit about Willie Walsh, the Chief Exec of British Airways, "tolerating" Broughton's involvement with us. Broughton is Walsh's boss, not the other way round. Other than that, good article which ought to calm some of our more excitable fellow Reds down a bit.
 
Well, it is fairly up-beat Count, but no more , or less, than the more optimistic people on this site have taken from things over the last few weeks/months.
I still remain confident that things will get sorted sooner rather than later, as to if it will be in time to step-on rather than consolidate this year I doubt it.
January perhaps could be a bit more interesting than usual this year though

regards
 
I think this guy from the Mirror was reading my comments after watching the full conference.

Anyway, fingers crossed Broughton didn't dupe me.
 
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40900.msg1132655#msg1132655 date=1278538332]
I think this guy from the Mirror was reading my comments after watching the full conference.

Anyway, fingers crossed Broughton didn't dupe me.
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Wrong, he was reading my comments 😉

regards
 
We've been such a disaster zone since the Yanks took over it wouldn't surprise me if Broughton sold Torres to Chelsea and then was forced to resign due the (probable) wrath it would incur, throwing the sale process off course.
 
Still, if he presides over the sale of Torres to Chelsea, he is the evil horned one.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40900.msg1132659#msg1132659 date=1278538817]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40900.msg1132655#msg1132655 date=1278538332]
I think this guy from the Mirror was reading my comments after watching the full conference.

Anyway, fingers crossed Broughton didn't dupe me.
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Wrong, he was reading my comments 😉

regards
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The first half of that article pretty much says exactly what I said just after watching the full conference.

I didn't realise I ws just reiterating something you'd already said. Nobody pointed it out and I must have completely missed it.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40900.msg1132638#msg1132638 date=1278537473]
The one bit of that which doesn't ring true is the bit about Willie Walsh, the Chief Exec of British Airways, "tolerating" Broughton's involvement with us. Broughton is Walsh's boss, not the other way round. Other than that, good article which ought to calm some of our more excitable fellow Reds down a bit.
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Ive not been on other forums yet, but I bet you they simply say the author is "sucking on satans cock" or similar. Any vaguely positive article is written off as being written by a stooge of the yanks or someone acting on their agenda.
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40900.msg1132638#msg1132638 date=1278537473]
The one bit of that which doesn't ring true is the bit about Willie Walsh, the Chief Exec of British Airways, "tolerating" Broughton's involvement with us. Broughton is Walsh's boss, not the other way round. Other than that, good article which ought to calm some of our more excitable fellow Reds down a bit.
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Ive not been on other forums yet, but I bet you they simply say the author is "sucking on satans cock" or similar. Any vaguely positive article is written off as being written by a stooge of the yanks or someone acting on their agenda.
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Yep the Liverpool fans Kangaroo Court have decided from hereon everyone on the board is guilty. Even if proven innocent.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=40900.msg1132681#msg1132681 date=1278540847]
Yep the Liverpool fans Kangaroo Court have decided from hereon everyone on the board is guilty. Even if proven innocent.
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Very true.

Have you seen the article banging non about how evil Purslow is cos he had a mural or Rafa taken down from Melwood?

I'd have thought most places of would wouldve taken down a mural of the old boss when a new boss came in. I wonder if he's had the audacity to change the nameplate on the managers office too?
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=40900.msg1132690#msg1132690 date=1278542761]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=40900.msg1132681#msg1132681 date=1278540847]
Yep the Liverpool fans Kangaroo Court have decided from hereon everyone on the board is guilty. Even if proven innocent.
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Very true.

Have you seen the article banging non about how evil Purslow is cos he had a mural or Rafa taken down from Melwood?

I'd have thought most places of would wouldve taken down a mural of the old boss when a new boss came in. I wonder if he's had the audacity to change the nameplate on the managers office too?
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Oh dont worry, when new owners come in they'll find someway of saying the new owners were in kahootz with the old owners all along and purslow is the puppeteer behind all of it! How dare he take down a mural, how dare he....bollox!
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40900.msg1132659#msg1132659 date=1278538817]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40900.msg1132655#msg1132655 date=1278538332]
I think this guy from the Mirror was reading my comments after watching the full conference.

Anyway, fingers crossed Broughton didn't dupe me.
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Wrong, he was reading my comments 😉

regards
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Both wrong. He was, in fact, reading mine.
 
I thought we'd have new owners before the season started, but maybe that was being a little too optimistic.
 
Not really, mate. It's been said that Hicks has only recently turned down sensible offers (which I don't think anyone would be surprised by).
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40900.msg1132754#msg1132754 date=1278576928]
I thought we'd have new owners before the season started, but maybe that was being a little too optimistic.


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Yeah, that's pretty unlikely.

Things will be moving by that point though. They have to be.
 
Well they will be. This is essentially an auction process, with first bids to tender in place mid July then down to one by approx end of aug if the normal procedure is followed. When I have the chance I'll nick a post explaining it from another site, written by an investment accountant/banker who outlines te full process, & interestingly why SOS targeting rbs is pointless & actually jeopardises the clubs chances of being sold.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=40900.msg1132790#msg1132790 date=1278579585]
Well they will be. This is essentially an auction process, with first bids to tender in place mid July then down to one by approx end of aug if the normal procedure is followed. When I have the chance I'll nick a post explaining it from another site, written by an investment accountant/banker who outlines te full process, & interestingly why SOS targeting rbs is pointless & actually jeopardises the clubs chances of being sold.
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Why "mid July"?
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40900.msg1132791#msg1132791 date=1278579655]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=40900.msg1132790#msg1132790 date=1278579585]
Well they will be. This is essentially an auction process, with first bids to tender in place mid July then down to one by approx end of aug if the normal procedure is followed. When I have the chance I'll nick a post explaining it from another site, written by an investment accountant/banker who outlines te full process, & interestingly why SOS targeting rbs is pointless & actually jeopardises the clubs chances of being sold.
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Why "mid July"?
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Isn't that what Broughton indicated?
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40900.msg1132791#msg1132791 date=1278579655]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=40900.msg1132790#msg1132790 date=1278579585]
Well they will be. This is essentially an auction process, with first bids to tender in place mid July then down to one by approx end of aug if the normal procedure is followed. When I have the chance I'll nick a post explaining it from another site, written by an investment accountant/banker who outlines te full process, & interestingly why SOS targeting rbs is pointless & actually jeopardises the clubs chances of being sold.
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Why "mid July"?
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Isn't that what Broughton indicated?
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Yeah. Why that date? Why not now? Why not months ago? What's the significance?
 
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[quote author=Buddha link=topic=40900.msg1132803#msg1132803 date=1278580602]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40900.msg1132791#msg1132791 date=1278579655]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=40900.msg1132790#msg1132790 date=1278579585]
Well they will be. This is essentially an auction process, with first bids to tender in place mid July then down to one by approx end of aug if the normal procedure is followed. When I have the chance I'll nick a post explaining it from another site, written by an investment accountant/banker who outlines te full process, & interestingly why SOS targeting rbs is pointless & actually jeopardises the clubs chances of being sold.
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Why "mid July"?
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Isn't that what Broughton indicated?
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Yeah. Why that date? Why not now? Why not months ago? What's the significance?
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Broughton get's paid every time someone calls him a cunt on RAWK so he's filibustering.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40900.msg1132805#msg1132805 date=1278580678]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=40900.msg1132803#msg1132803 date=1278580602]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40900.msg1132791#msg1132791 date=1278579655]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=40900.msg1132790#msg1132790 date=1278579585]
Well they will be. This is essentially an auction process, with first bids to tender in place mid July then down to one by approx end of aug if the normal procedure is followed. When I have the chance I'll nick a post explaining it from another site, written by an investment accountant/banker who outlines te full process, & interestingly why SOS targeting rbs is pointless & actually jeopardises the clubs chances of being sold.
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Why "mid July"?
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Isn't that what Broughton indicated?
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Yeah. Why that date? Why not now? Why not months ago? What's the significance?
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Fuck knows.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40900.msg1132763#msg1132763 date=1278577753]
Not really, mate. It's been said that Hicks has only recently turned down sensible offers (which I don't think anyone would be surprised by).
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Didn't Broughton state that despite what was being reported no offers had yet been turned down (or are you talking about before then mate)?
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40900.msg1132805#msg1132805 date=1278580678]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=40900.msg1132803#msg1132803 date=1278580602]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40900.msg1132791#msg1132791 date=1278579655]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=40900.msg1132790#msg1132790 date=1278579585]
Well they will be. This is essentially an auction process, with first bids to tender in place mid July then down to one by approx end of aug if the normal procedure is followed. When I have the chance I'll nick a post explaining it from another site, written by an investment accountant/banker who outlines te full process, & interestingly why SOS targeting rbs is pointless & actually jeopardises the clubs chances of being sold.
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Why "mid July"?
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Isn't that what Broughton indicated?
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Yeah. Why that date? Why not now? Why not months ago? What's the significance?
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Wasn't there a deadline over £160m that was due to RBS? Could be completely wide of the mark, but maybe once it goes past that date the sale of the club is then taken out of the hands of G&H. Broughton has indicated something is afoot in that respect and that G&H won't really have a choice regarding who they sell to.

Fuck knows.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=40900.msg1132790#msg1132790 date=1278579585]
Well they will be. This is essentially an auction process, with first bids to tender in place mid July then down to one by approx end of aug if the normal procedure is followed. When I have the chance I'll nick a post explaining it from another site, written by an investment accountant/banker who outlines te full process, & interestingly why SOS targeting rbs is pointless & actually jeopardises the clubs chances of being sold.
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Please do FFF
 
This the post I said I'd nick, I assume he won't mind.

This is my take.
At the end of May, following Broughton being brought in I posted the timetable for what would likely be if we had now entered a formal auction process. I wasn’t 100% sure that this was happening but following the press conference last week I am convinced. His use of terms such as “first round bids†is typical of an auction process.
For the last two years, we have been touted around looking for 100m of investment but now this is a serious sales process. Each bidder will have deadlines to stick to and according to Broughton the first round bids will be in next week. Thereafter a limited number of parties will be able to carry out due diligence and talk to their own banks regarding financing the purchase.
This all takes time but is very orderly. BarCap know exactly what they are doing
By the end of August, we should be done to one bidder.
Along with RS4 I really don’t see what the point of targeting RBS is. We are not in administration. The Board cannot vote to sell behind the owners backs. The owners are in full control. Yes, they are overleveraged and RBS is trying to ensure it gets its money back, but don’t forget the interest payments they are receiving help their anxiety. The owners are entitled to look elsewhere for funding at any point and as the credit markets open up, there is an increasing chance of getting financing from elsewhere. What happens if RBS calls in the loan and they end up with hedge fund financing as a bridge loan before the sale? A nice 14% interest rate? What do we do then, all go over to New York and tell them what we think? Any new financing without new owners is likely to be more expensive – so again I don’t see what we can gain by getting rid of RBS at this point
While doing nothing is not normally a great solution, I firmly believe that the sales process is on track, that we should see what comes of it. Yes, there is a danger that the offers are not reasonable and that the process is pulled. At that time we should think again but not before.
 
op[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=40900.msg1133007#msg1133007 date=1278603244]
This the post I said I'd nick, I assume he won't mind.

This is my take.
At the end of May, following Broughton being brought in I posted the timetable for what would likely be if we had now entered a formal auction process. I wasn’t 100% sure that this was happening but following the press conference last week I am convinced. His use of terms such as “first round bids†is typical of an auction process.
For the last two years, we have been touted around looking for 100m of investment but now this is a serious sales process. Each bidder will have deadlines to stick to and according to Broughton the first round bids will be in next week. Thereafter a limited number of parties will be able to carry out due diligence and talk to their own banks regarding financing the purchase.
This all takes time but is very orderly. BarCap know exactly what they are doing
By the end of August, we should be done to one bidder.
Along with RS4 I really don’t see what the point of targeting RBS is. We are not in administration. The Board cannot vote to sell behind the owners backs. The owners are in full control. Yes, they are overleveraged and RBS is trying to ensure it gets its money back, but don’t forget the interest payments they are receiving help their anxiety. The owners are entitled to look elsewhere for funding at any point and as the credit markets open up, there is an increasing chance of getting financing from elsewhere. What happens if RBS calls in the loan and they end up with hedge fund financing as a bridge loan before the sale? A nice 14% interest rate? What do we do then, all go over to New York and tell them what we think? Any new financing without new owners is likely to be more expensive – so again I don’t see what we can gain by getting rid of RBS at this point
While doing nothing is not normally a great solution, I firmly believe that the sales process is on track, that we should see what comes of it. Yes, there is a danger that the offers are not reasonable and that the process is pulled. At that time we should think again but not before.
[/quote]Hope springs ephemeral.
 
"The board cannot vote to sell behind the owners' backs. The owners are in full control."

Does that square with what Broughton said on the subject?
 
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