If Inzaghi can’t do it, I would also consider Nagelsmann - really impressed how he seems to have turned Germany around. Every decision he made lately has been spot-on.
The lingering bad PR from the Bayern job is incredible. Seems to be deemed unemployable by most big clubs now.
(which is ridiculous considering Bayern is thinking of re-hiring him)
If Inzaghi can’t do it, I would also consider Nagelsmann - really impressed how he seems to have turned Germany around. Every decision he made lately has been spot-on.
Not being too pessimistic but I don't think this squad is primed for trophies. The magic ingredient is Klopp who is making this squad punch way above its weight. I feel we are going to see the squads true level when he leaves which is still very very good. But not the can compete for quad level.
Latin : I love a rim?I wonder how many people have said I know you're a rim to amorimjob
The lingering bad PR from the Bayern job is incredible. Seems to be deemed unemployable by most big clubs now.
(which is ridiculous considering Bayern is thinking of re-hiring him)
Nagelsman, Lijnders & de Zerbi would be my 3 now.
I'd have Emery in there too and that's my top 4. Lijnders is at the bottom of that group for me but there's enough rationale not to completely dismiss him out of hand.
No so sure about Emery, I probably lean to the feeling he’s a manager that will overachieve at a “small club” and underachieve at a big one.
Amorim , I’m not sure on, something about him being wedded to 343 doesn’t feel right.
No so sure about Emery, I probably lean to the feeling he’s a manager that will overachieve at a “small club” and underachieve at a big one.
Amorim , I’m not sure on, something about him being wedded to 343 doesn’t feel right.
Exact same as Alonsos usual tactics.
The lingering bad PR from the Bayern job is incredible. Seems to be deemed unemployable by most big clubs now.
(which is ridiculous considering Bayern is thinking of re-hiring him)
I get a Rodgers, Ten Hag or Villas-Boas vibe from Amorim.
Too many red flags:
- Spent his entire playing and managerial career in Portugal. Not exposed to any brand of football other than in Portugal
- Average to mediocre playing career, with limited exposure to good managers. The best managers he's played under are Jorge Jesus at Benfica and Paulo Bento at the national team - both Portuguese managers
- Wedded inflexibly to a 3-4-3 formation. Tactical inflexibility is NOT a good trait for a young manager
- Zero experience of handling stars or even sharing a dressing room with stars. Chances are he'll completely buckle when he faces the big lights, or faces internal pressure from the likes of Salah, van Dijk, Alisson or Trent
- Big difference between managing in Portugal/France/Netherlands, which is at least two tiers below England / Spain / Italy and probably a tier below Bundesliga as well
Think with mediocre players who go on to become managers, you need to be of two types.
1. The exceptionally strong personality types - basically Ferguson, Klopp, Mourinho - this is a very rare once-in-a-generation type of character who forge their way to greatness through sheer force of character and personality. Is Amorim really that type? Everything seems to suggest that he's a quiet, non-confrontational guy.
2. The quiet, tactically evolving type who work their way through the ranks from smaller to bigger clubs, proving themselves to be strong cup managers before eventually achieving solid success at the top level - Rafa, Emery, Spalletti, Ranieri are examples. Amorim could perhaps be one of these - but the jump from Sporting to Liverpool is way too soon for him. He needs more experience in either Spain or Italy in a tougher league for 5 years before he's ready for such a jump.
Looks like someone copy/pasted my post in the other thread 😉 Totally agree on everything.I get a Rodgers, Ten Hag or Villas-Boas vibe from Amorim.
Too many red flags:
- Spent his entire playing and managerial career in Portugal. Not exposed to any brand of football other than in Portugal
- Average to mediocre playing career, with limited exposure to good managers. The best managers he's played under are Jorge Jesus at Benfica and Paulo Bento at the national team - both Portuguese managers
- Wedded inflexibly to a 3-4-3 formation. Tactical inflexibility is NOT a good trait for a young manager
- Zero experience of handling stars or even sharing a dressing room with stars. Chances are he'll completely buckle when he faces the big lights, or faces internal pressure from the likes of Salah, van Dijk, Alisson or Trent
- Big difference between managing in Portugal/France/Netherlands, which is at least two tiers below England / Spain / Italy and probably a tier below Bundesliga as well
Think with mediocre players who go on to become managers, you need to be of two types.
1. The exceptionally strong personality types - basically Ferguson, Klopp, Mourinho - this is a very rare once-in-a-generation type of character who forge their way to greatness through sheer force of character and personality. Is Amorim really that type? Everything seems to suggest that he's a quiet, non-confrontational guy.
2. The quiet, tactically evolving type who work their way through the ranks from smaller to bigger clubs, proving themselves to be strong cup managers before eventually achieving solid success at the top level - Rafa, Emery, Spalletti, Ranieri are examples. Amorim could perhaps be one of these - but the jump from Sporting to Liverpool is way too soon for him. He needs more experience in either Spain or Italy in a tougher league for 5 years before he's ready for such a jump.
Spot on post.If we're going down the young manager route, I actually find Thiago Motta the most intriguing from amongst de Zerbi, Amorim or Nagelsmann.
I would definitely be interested in Inzaghi, but I get the feeling that he won't leave Italy.
Motta is intriguing for a bunch of reasons similar to Alonso:
- highly talented (albeit injury prone) player, who played as a CM playmaker, typically the position which gives you the best insight into being a coach. Vast majority of successful player-managers have been CMs/playmakers
- exposed to a variety of footballing styles, having won 10 league titles and 2 CLs at Barca, Inter and PSG
- multi-lingual, being fluent in French, Italian, Spanish and Portuguese - tend to make for good communicators
- like Xabi, coached by some of the best managers of his generation - Rijkaard (Barca), Mourinho (Inter), Ancelotti & Emery (PSG), Conte (Italy national team). That's an immense of footballing knowledge to have absorbed from a variety of brilliant coaches and styles
- shared a dressing room with some of the biggest stars of his generation - Ronaldinho, Zlatan, Eto'o etc. He is likely thus to be totally comfortable dealing with the likes of Salah, van Dijk
- most importantly, his football tactically seems to be the most exciting - employs a 4-3-3 at Bologna and his ideas seem to be something of a combination of Klopp's and Guardiola's
Football-wise, what this team needs isn't some tactical revamp, but just an evolution of what already exists. Motta's ideas seem to me to the most suited to our squad of players, of all the current candidates. De Zerbi is also intriguing, but I think he may be too much of a maverick (like Bielsa) to ever coach a team that actually wins trophies.
Can we fuck off with how good a manager was as a player?
There are many top managers who were average at best players. Klopp being one of them.
It is not a metric that should be used in any which way to determine our next manager.
Looks like someone copy/pasted my post in the other thread 😉 Totally agree on everything.
Hansern is going to hate your 'Red Flags' comment (he took issue when I used it) 🤣
In your opinion. We think your view is wrong and there have been a few commentators/players warning against Amorim (for the same reasons) too.There are risks and red flags with every manager on our short list. I just disagree with several of yours and Dmishra's as they are wrong/not valid.
Can we fuck off with how good a manager was as a player?
There are many top managers who were average at best players. Klopp being one of them.
It is not a metric that should be used in any which way to determine our next manager.
In your opinion. We think your view is wrong and there have been a few commentators/players warning against Amorim (for the same reasons) too.