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Poll who deserves more respect? rijkaard or pep
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Guardiola. Easily.
Plus I don't respect utter cunts.
I'm surprised pep is winning this vote. obviously people don't remember the state barca were in when rijkaard arrived. didn't beckham have a straight choice of real or barca and choice real because at the time they (real) were a far better team? also rijkaard blooded a lot of the youth that now fill the first team, sure those players would have made it to the first team eventually but rijkaard played them sooner rather than later.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44197.msg1283954#msg1283954 date=1297440816]obviously people don't remember the state barca were in when rijkaard arrived.
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What? Why is it "obvious" we don't remember?
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What? Why is it "obvious" we don't remember?
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=44197.msg1283956#msg1283956 date=1297440865]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44197.msg1283954#msg1283954 date=1297440816]obviously people don't remember the state barca were in when rijkaard arrived.
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What? Why is it "obvious" we don't remember?
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okay, not 'obvious'
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44197.msg1283954#msg1283954 date=1297440816]obviously people don't remember the state barca were in when rijkaard arrived.
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What? Why is it "obvious" we don't remember?
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okay, not 'obvious'
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Guardiola easily. Look at waht he's won. But if your gonna keep defending Rijkaard then you may as well mention Cruyff. He started the whole ethos that both men try to instill in their teams. Guardiola more succesfully though. His players are a bunch of tippy tappy tapping up cunts though!
The question is worded about "respect", and Rijkaard is a spitting cunt. Guardiola is not.
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The question is worded about "respect", and Rijkaard is a spitting cunt. Guardiola is not.
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Touche Mr. Saint George, Touche!
The question is worded about "respect", and Rijkaard is a spitting cunt. Guardiola is not.
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Touche Mr. Saint George, Touche!
I'm with George. Spit the dog don't deserve any respect.
Rijkaard took over a side that finished 5th (22 pts from 1st) and took 2 seasons to win the title. When he left Barca, they finished 3rd and were almost 20 points adrift from the title (18 to be exact and 10 behind Villarreal).
Guardiola took over a side that finished 3rd (18 pts from 1st) and won the title in his debut season (by 9 points, with 87) and followed that up with 99 in his 2nd season. He's well on course to beat that in his 3rd & current one.
Besides, Rijkaard's introduction of youngsters came after an unsatisfactory (by Barca's standard) debut season. Guardiola's inclusion of youths was gradual and more of a conveyor belt (obviously thanks to his previous stint as Barca B gaffer and the team's fortunes). If put bluntly, the former's was more of a 1 off and 'forced' by circumstance whereas the latter's has been much more consistent and with a concise plan.
Obviously unfair to take all credit away from Rijkaard for his role in Barca's revival but I don't think its a coincidence he hasn't been much of a success elsewhere (prior and after his time at Barca). Thus my doubt about him when he was linked with us.
Guardiola took over a side that finished 3rd (18 pts from 1st) and won the title in his debut season (by 9 points, with 87) and followed that up with 99 in his 2nd season. He's well on course to beat that in his 3rd & current one.
Besides, Rijkaard's introduction of youngsters came after an unsatisfactory (by Barca's standard) debut season. Guardiola's inclusion of youths was gradual and more of a conveyor belt (obviously thanks to his previous stint as Barca B gaffer and the team's fortunes). If put bluntly, the former's was more of a 1 off and 'forced' by circumstance whereas the latter's has been much more consistent and with a concise plan.
Obviously unfair to take all credit away from Rijkaard for his role in Barca's revival but I don't think its a coincidence he hasn't been much of a success elsewhere (prior and after his time at Barca). Thus my doubt about him when he was linked with us.
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I'm surprised pep is winning this vote. obviously people don't remember the state barca were in when rijkaard arrived. didn't beckham have a straight choice of real or barca and choice real because at the time they (real) were a far better team? also rijkaard blooded a lot of the youth that now fill the first team, sure those players would have made it to the first team eventually but rijkaard played them sooner rather than later.
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They were a far better team who ended number three behind Barca and Valencia?
I'm surprised pep is winning this vote. obviously people don't remember the state barca were in when rijkaard arrived. didn't beckham have a straight choice of real or barca and choice real because at the time they (real) were a far better team? also rijkaard blooded a lot of the youth that now fill the first team, sure those players would have made it to the first team eventually but rijkaard played them sooner rather than later.
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They were a far better team who ended number three behind Barca and Valencia?
I have great admiration for Rijkaards tenure at Barca and whilst I agree with some of what has been said (I have always said he'd be a huge risk as Liverpool manager for example), I think his achievements there do tend to get brushed under the carpets with the whole Pep love in.
Rijkaard spent his first season building the team. In his second he won the title. The year following that he won the title again along with the Champions League. In this time, he saw oversaw Ronaldinho becoming the best player in the world, Eto'o one of the top #9's around, the gradual integration of Iniesta (although I think he is much better under Guardiola) and the introduction of Messi into the side. And I've never seen a side play with as much flair.
Rijkaards greatest failing was that he couldn't keep it going. Ten Cate left and the dressing room - by all accounts - was not united and ended up fractured. He never looked like he was able to put it right. And sadly it seems that is what is being remembered more than anything.
Guardiola rode in - a bit like Daglish - to find a side under-performing and ripe for being reinvigorated. Of course, few outside of Barca could have predicted it would have gone as well as it did. He has been pretty much perfect since he joined. From the word go he displayed the sort of confidence, perfectionism and will to win you very rarely see from a top class experienced manager, let alone a young one. Barca lost some of the flair they had under Rijkaard, but they became a lot more efficient and the results have been fantastic.
Both managers deserve a lot of credit, but Guardiola will undoubtedly leave a greater legacy. He looks like a man of iron ill who stands on his own two feet whereas Rijkaard always seemed as though he was being propped up to some degree.
Rijkaard spent his first season building the team. In his second he won the title. The year following that he won the title again along with the Champions League. In this time, he saw oversaw Ronaldinho becoming the best player in the world, Eto'o one of the top #9's around, the gradual integration of Iniesta (although I think he is much better under Guardiola) and the introduction of Messi into the side. And I've never seen a side play with as much flair.
Rijkaards greatest failing was that he couldn't keep it going. Ten Cate left and the dressing room - by all accounts - was not united and ended up fractured. He never looked like he was able to put it right. And sadly it seems that is what is being remembered more than anything.
Guardiola rode in - a bit like Daglish - to find a side under-performing and ripe for being reinvigorated. Of course, few outside of Barca could have predicted it would have gone as well as it did. He has been pretty much perfect since he joined. From the word go he displayed the sort of confidence, perfectionism and will to win you very rarely see from a top class experienced manager, let alone a young one. Barca lost some of the flair they had under Rijkaard, but they became a lot more efficient and the results have been fantastic.
Both managers deserve a lot of credit, but Guardiola will undoubtedly leave a greater legacy. He looks like a man of iron ill who stands on his own two feet whereas Rijkaard always seemed as though he was being propped up to some degree.
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Agree with all of that.
if memory serves me right rikjard was heading for the axe come december then he signed davids on loan and the side transformed into a top 2 challenge. incredible impact by one of the most complete midfielders of his generation, however, back to the topic, it has to be pep as took the team to another level
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Pep. He doesn't spit on people.
I heard a story about Guardiola's first day in training as manager.
Players tried to impress him with skills and he stopped them straight away and said he wasn't going to take any of that bollocks. He said pass, pass, pass, move, move, move. Far better for the team to function in such a way than for individuals pissing away opportunities with selfishness.
Same kind of story with passing the ball back in positions close to the opposition penalty area. Look to pass forward, don't look for the easy option that will give advantage to the other team.
The thing about the passing philosophy is that that in itself allows for individual brilliance by certain players precisely because the opposition is preoccupied by the constant movement of the ball. It HAS to be the reason why Messi is god-like for Barca while he's not nearly as effective for the Argies.
I think Guardiola's a genius of a manager.
If I were Henry I'd be attempting to make the guy the highest paid manager in the world in a year's time.
Can't think of too many positive aspects at our club that would make him want to come, but at least he'll have the peace of mind that the philosophy of youth development, and thus the conveyer belt up to the first team that he believes in, is followed by Borelli at Liverpool.
I actually want Guardiola more than any player in the world, never mind managers.
Players tried to impress him with skills and he stopped them straight away and said he wasn't going to take any of that bollocks. He said pass, pass, pass, move, move, move. Far better for the team to function in such a way than for individuals pissing away opportunities with selfishness.
Same kind of story with passing the ball back in positions close to the opposition penalty area. Look to pass forward, don't look for the easy option that will give advantage to the other team.
The thing about the passing philosophy is that that in itself allows for individual brilliance by certain players precisely because the opposition is preoccupied by the constant movement of the ball. It HAS to be the reason why Messi is god-like for Barca while he's not nearly as effective for the Argies.
I think Guardiola's a genius of a manager.
If I were Henry I'd be attempting to make the guy the highest paid manager in the world in a year's time.
Can't think of too many positive aspects at our club that would make him want to come, but at least he'll have the peace of mind that the philosophy of youth development, and thus the conveyer belt up to the first team that he believes in, is followed by Borelli at Liverpool.
I actually want Guardiola more than any player in the world, never mind managers.
All that passing doesn't work if you don't have an incredible talent capable of unpicking the inevitable parked bus defenses.
In other words, Pep's team and philosophy depended very heavily on Messi. It doesn't make him a bad manager, he was/ is utilising the talents at his disposal. But he won't have a player like Messi, perhaps, ever again in his managerial career. The incredible percentage of Barca's goals scored or assisted by Messi tells its own story.
In other words, Pep's team and philosophy depended very heavily on Messi. It doesn't make him a bad manager, he was/ is utilising the talents at his disposal. But he won't have a player like Messi, perhaps, ever again in his managerial career. The incredible percentage of Barca's goals scored or assisted by Messi tells its own story.
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