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Because he's not a different level to Ming, they are about the same quality at the moment and both need chances to prove they can be better. Just like when Karius was the #1, another poster was making a big deal out of starting "a keeper we all hate" (Mignolet) in the Cup 2nd round; now it's the reverse – but both players' level didn't change!

Mingolet hasn't done anything to deserve being dropped for the next League game.

The defence is looking solid enough at the minute - changing the keeper is just plain stupid.

By all means - give Karius a run out in the up and coming cup matches - there'll be a minimum of 3 games for him to play in January.
 
Karius has proved to be hopeless and should not being coming into team so soon. For the f.a cup you can make an argument but otherwise no way.
 
Ffs He's captain calamity. Lads downgrade RB's status from silky poster of the year to "even he's human" status
 
we have Plymouth on Sunday don't we ? Surely the first team core can rest then
 
Studge is gonna start for sure, DivO might also start. That leaves the option to rest Lallana and Firmino if they are a bit heavy legged. Maybe rest Milner. Other than that the rest of the team plays and gets a weeks break during FA cup. Simple. Yeah
 
AS long as we keep Moreno as far away from that pitch as is humanly possible. That's almost guaranteeing Sunderland at least one point.
 
All true but surely this is as much a "must-win" game as any. Especially since I think Spurs will end Chelsea's winning run.
No good beating City if we then go out and produce a lacklustre display at Sunderland and get beaten by a lucky goal.
These guys are elite athletes who are highly conditioned. Make them work if they can do it. I wouldn't put out a complete "B" team and disrespect Sunderland so much. They may be "shit" - but "shit" and "good" in the premier league are still relatively fine margins. They got beaten by Burnley but so did we.
 
I recon Karius will get a chance in this game. Does Matip have any chance of being fit? Anyway, I think it's going to be pretty much our "cup squad":

----------------Karius---------------
--------Matip--------Lukas--------
Trent-----------------------Moreno
---------------Stewart---------------
----------Can---------Ejaria--------
Sturridge----Origi----Woodburn
what a horrible team, are you trying to throw the game?
 
Yeah that's crazy.
It's Sunderland not Mansfield.
I remember a few years back around this time when Sunderland were in a similar predicament and they beat City who were top of the league.
It would be crazy not to pick our strongest available team.
 
Kind of hard to assess the fitness of our players from behind a computer screen but I have a feeling that Klopp won't make too many changes.

It doesn't look good for Henderson, so I think he'll be rested for this one.

Milner had to work hard in order to keep Sterling in check so he could also be rested.
 
I anticipate that we will have Lucas in the middle of our defence.

I have just put a tenner on Sunderland at 10/1.

Of course I hope I lose my tenner, but it would be so typical of us. Beat City and then lose to Sunderland! 🙄
 
Klopp :

"the players who are fit will play. That’s how it is. [There are] no excuses for anybody. That’s how everybody obviously wants it and we have to deliver. And we will deliver.”

Not going to be many changes by the sound of it.
 
I recon Karius will get a chance in this game. Does Matip have any chance of being fit? Anyway, I think it's going to be pretty much our "cup squad":

----------------Karius---------------
--------Matip--------Lukas--------
Trent-----------------------Moreno
---------------Stewart---------------
----------Can---------Ejaria--------
Sturridge----Origi----Woodburn
Wow Rurik. You get so much right that's it's an absolute shock to the system when you get something so horribly wrong ! Why on earth wouldn't you play Mane before he leaves for the AFCON ?

Firmino looks wrecked but I'm still not sure Klopp will rest him. In fact I think it more than likely Klopp won't change a thing unless someone is injured / dead on their feet.
So :

----------------Mignolet--------------
--------Lovren--------Klavan--------
Clyne-----------------------Milner
--------Can------------Wijnaldum
---------------Lallana ------
Mane ----- Sturridge ---- Origi

Obviously if Matip is fit he'll be back but as is Klopp's wont, he'll start from the bench, ditto Coutinho.
 
Sturridge and Origi should start at Firmino and Can (or Henderson if injured), id bring back Matip too if fit. That should help to keep our attack fresh.
 
Mane needs protecting if he isnt at peak levels, he's still our player if he gets injured at AFCON.

I'll be happy if any of Woodburn, Ovie, or AA get gametime.

It's a long shot to work but Moreno maybe a way to replace Mane's speed in the final third.
 
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Wow Rurik. You get so much right that's it's an absolute shock to the system when you get something so horribly wrong ! Why on earth wouldn't you play Mane before he leaves for the AFCON ?

It's a balancing act – do you take your first-choice player playing at 70% because they only had 44 hours to recover from the previous game or do you take a back-up who is at 100% and ready to go? It's always a difficult calculation, but I believe for a high-energy style that Klopp plays physical fitness might be more important – if the players are too tired to play the pressing game, the whole system becomes highly vulnerable. I've seen this happen to Klopp's Dortmund a couple of times – whenever their "gegenpressing" was not working because of tiredness, their defense got totally overwhelmed and cut to pieces by a far less talented team.

So now I don't believe Klopp will select any player if they are too tired to press and make runs for 90 minutes. Every player's recovery times are different, so I have no way of knowing which players have a chance to recover in time for Sunderland and which do not. But I think it's conceivable that we will see a lot of youngsters/back-ups in this game, particularly as many first-choice players looked spent and uncharacteristically sloppy against City already. I like Klopp's public attitude of "no excuses," but the reality is it's a difficult situation to play 2 games so close to each other, particularly with our style of play. It's not going to be a pretty game, that's for sure.
 
It's a balancing act – do you take your first-choice player playing at 70% because they only had 44 hours to recover from the previous game or do you take a back-up who is at 100% and ready to go? It's always a difficult calculation, but I believe for a high-energy style that Klopp plays physical fitness might be more important – if the players are too tired to play the pressing game, the whole system becomes highly vulnerable. I've seen this happen to Klopp's Dortmund a couple of times – whenever their "gegenpressing" was not working because of tiredness, their defense got totally overwhelmed and cut to pieces by a far less talented team.

So now I don't believe Klopp will select any player if they are too tired to press and make runs for 90 minutes. Every player's recovery times are different, so I have no way of knowing which players have a chance to recover in time for Sunderland and which do not. But I think it's conceivable that we will see a lot of youngsters/back-ups in this game, particularly as many first-choice players looked spent and uncharacteristically sloppy against City already. I like Klopp's public attitude of "no excuses," but the reality is it's a difficult situation to play 2 games so close to each other, particularly with our style of play. It's not going to be a pretty game, that's for sure.

You say it's not going to be a pretty game which might well be the case but Origi and Sturridge will be fresh and chomping at the bit should they both start as expected. Those two alone are capable of running riot if they get the service... against a woeful Sunderland defence on the back of conceding 4 at Burnley.
 
I know it gets mentioned often before games but think scoring early could be massive....Sunderland faithful God bless them could lose their shit if we tear into them from the off and get ahead. That hammering they got at the weekend puts the pressure back on Moyes as well so it could get nasty rather quickly and that obviously helps our cause no end.

It can go the other way of course and their crowd plays a big part in them getting a result.

Basically if we don't take them lightly and do our thing we're winning the game. If we do, chances are we'll all be killing each other on here come 5pm as we bemoan the fact we haven't won and severely damaged our chances of catching Chelsea...Please let it be the former.
 
You say it's not going to be a pretty game which might well be the case but Origi and Sturridge will be fresh and chomping at the bit should they both start as expected. Those two alone are capable of running riot if they get the service... against a woeful Sunderland defence on the back of conceding 4 at Burnley.

Yes, I'm sure Origi and Sturridge will start together as they were the only fit "first team" players who didn't start on Saturday. Let's hope the supporting cast is up to scratch in this game.
 
I know it gets mentioned often before games but think scoring early could be massive....Sunderland faithful God bless them could lose their shit if we tear into them from the off and get ahead. That hammering they got at the weekend puts the pressure back on Moyes as well so it could get nasty rather quickly and that obviously helps our cause no end.

It can go the other way of course and their crowd plays a big part in them getting a result.

Basically if we don't take them lightly and do our thing we're winning the game. If we do, chances are we'll all be killing each other on here come 5pm as we bemoan the fact we haven't won and severely damaged our chances of catching Chelsea...Please let it be the former.

Yeah, I fear a bit for this as if we change to many players and drop the intensity just by a few percent then this match could get a lot tougher. The longer it goes without us scoring the more the crowd will back Sunderland. If we score early and dominate the exact opposite will happen.
Tough match for Klopp to manage this with just 43 hours to rest the players and set them up for a new game.

As I said in another thread, think there could be a few upsets in this round as there will be fatigu and possible rotation.
 
Lallana got uncharactistically pulled early by Klopp vs Stoke which might have been a thought about keeping him fresher for these two.

The good news for us is that Studge and Origi have no reason to be fatigued, Can was fresh going into the City game so should recover well and Wiji seems to be approaching Hendo's level of 'always on'

I would worry a bit about Milner and Clyne who although are both fantastic athletes, had been doing A LOT of running in the past two games so maybe we will see these two both start but Alex-Arnold and/or Moreno need to come on early second half.
 
We're pretty light in midfield with Milner at LB, aren't we?

There isn't really anyone to come in for the first choice lot particularly if Henderson is out.

Stewart is pretty average, which only really leaves Ejaria who whilst talented is young and untested.

------------------- Ming
Clyne --- Lovren -- Klavan -- Milner
------------------- Can
---------- Lallana --- Wijnaldum
-- Origi ------ Sturridge ---- Firmino

I just remembered we have Grujic. Doesn't even seem to make the bench any more. Is he injured?
 
Lallana got uncharactistically pulled early by Klopp vs Stoke which might have been a thought about keeping him fresher for these two.

The good news for us is that Studge and Origi have no reason to be fatigued, Can was fresh going into the City game so should recover well and Wiji seems to be approaching Hendo's level of 'always on'

I would worry a bit about Milner and Clyne who although are both fantastic athletes, had been doing A LOT of running in the past two games so maybe we will see these two both start but Alex-Arnold and/or Moreno need to come on early second half.
Agreed.

Clyne is a machine though, Milner after harassing Sterling all game is my biggest worry and Henderson because of his injury.
 
We're pretty light in midfield with Milner at LB, aren't we?

There isn't really anyone to come in for the first choice lot particularly if Henderson is out.

Stewart is pretty average, which only really leaves Ejaria who whilst talented is young and untested.

------------------- Ming
Clyne --- Lovren -- Klavan -- Milner
------------------- Can
---------- Lallana --- Wijnaldum
-- Origi ------ Sturridge ---- Firmino

I just remembered we have Grujic. Doesn't even seem to make the bench any more. Is he injured?

Yes Grujic has had some injury problems.
“The tendon goes over the muscle for Grujic, a tendon injury. It was three weeks, so he’s already on the way back,” the boss told today’s press-conference, cited in the Echo.
 
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