Fair enough I didn't realise that, whatever happens I think the press will turn on him very soon which is brilliant to see from our point of view.
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Fair enough I didn't realise that, whatever happens I think the press will turn on him very soon which is brilliant to see from our point of view.
Like being savaged by a dead sheep!
The Italian journalists saw through him more or less immediately, and the Spanish hacks were pretty quick, too, but finally and belatedly our own footie writers seem to be seeing Mourinho for the desperately self-hyping shit that he really is:
The Times:
José Mourinho complaining about another manager rubbing his nose in it. We have heard it all now. The poor little lamb. This from the man who made his name sprinting down the side of a pitch in victory celebration; who has worn through several pairs of trousers sliding triumphantly on his knees; who shushes opposing fans in a cup final.
We could go on. Remember that habit of walking over to the other bench before the final whistle to shake hands, a gesture many regarded as patronising. Roy Keane had the balls to say so. “Disgraceful,” he called it. “The game is still going on. You wouldn’t do that on a Sunday morning, you would get knocked out.”
The taunts, barbs and wind-ups from Mourinho are countless (he did stick a finger in another coach’s eye, after all) and we have not even mentioned yet his baiting of Arsène Wenger. To hear Mourinho giving a lesson in touchline etiquette is like Donald Trump sermonising on gentlemanly courtship.
The Mirror:
If only there had been a doctor at hand to nurse his bruised ego. Ideally one who could have soothed him in his native tongue.
But Dr Eva Carneiro is long gone. And ever since their spectacular falling out on last season’s opening day, Mourinho’s reputation has plummeted – as a manager and a man.
He was typically charmless post-match, claiming the ‘globality’ of United’s performance (i.e: what he could control) had been good and that he had merely been betrayed by individual defensive errors.
You can get away with sneering when you are riding high. But when your former club have just handed you your backside on a plate, it is preferable to act with a little humility – never Mourinho’s strong suit.
Daily Telegraph:
It was a day for Mourinho to get a taste of his own medicine.
People queued up to mock him, like he used to mock so many others.
Former Chelsea striker Eidur Gudjohnsen, who won the Premier League under Mourinho in 2005, landed a cheeky dig at the Portuguese manager.
Referring to Mourinho's two title-winning stints at Stamford Bridge, Gudjohnsen wrote: "Jose still knows how to get the best out of Chelsea!"
Daily Express:
Graceless winner, spiteful loser, calculated and callous defamer. Jose Mourinho, sadly, lived up to expectations today.
Independent:
Here he was again. The dressing room he alienated. The owner that was “never his friend”. ‘The Return’, as the broadcasters were calling it. And to make matters worse, Stamford Bridge’s press box, packed with the ‘Einsteins’ he has derided for the past month, was hanging over his dugout. The away dugout. Jose Mourinho has often been accused of manufacturing a ‘siege mentality’ at the clubs which he manages but he had no need to do so this time. He was already surrounded.
Afterwards, it was the same old petulance, the same old complaints, the same old blaming of his own players. The usual graceless reaction as a means of hiding his own flaws.
Guardian:
This season Mourinho, rumpled and grouchy, has at times seemed hesitant, bereft of the ruthlessness of old. Worse, when he has been ruthless, as he was in his treatment of Bastian Schweinsteiger, it felt like a trick. There is resignation rather than shock: Mourinho doing his thing again. His interviews and press conferences no longer have the same impact: the same strategies recur and rather than report the outrage they are designed to provoke, the media now focus on the strategy.
The Times:
José Mourinho complaining about another manager rubbing his nose in it. We have heard it all now. The poor little lamb. This from the man who made his name sprinting down the side of a pitch in victory celebration; who has worn through several pairs of trousers sliding triumphantly on his knees; who shushes opposing fans in a cup final.
We could go on. Remember that habit of walking over to the other bench before the final whistle to shake hands, a gesture many regarded as patronising. Roy Keane had the balls to say so. “Disgraceful,” he called it. “The game is still going on. You wouldn’t do that on a Sunday morning, you would get knocked out.”
The taunts, barbs and wind-ups from Mourinho are countless (he did stick a finger in another coach’s eye, after all) and we have not even mentioned yet his baiting of Arsène Wenger. To hear Mourinho giving a lesson in touchline etiquette is like Donald Trump sermonising on gentlemanly courtship.
The Mirror:
If only there had been a doctor at hand to nurse his bruised ego. Ideally one who could have soothed him in his native tongue.
But Dr Eva Carneiro is long gone. And ever since their spectacular falling out on last season’s opening day, Mourinho’s reputation has plummeted – as a manager and a man.
He was typically charmless post-match, claiming the ‘globality’ of United’s performance (i.e: what he could control) had been good and that he had merely been betrayed by individual defensive errors.
You can get away with sneering when you are riding high. But when your former club have just handed you your backside on a plate, it is preferable to act with a little humility – never Mourinho’s strong suit.
Daily Telegraph:
It was a day for Mourinho to get a taste of his own medicine.
People queued up to mock him, like he used to mock so many others.
Former Chelsea striker Eidur Gudjohnsen, who won the Premier League under Mourinho in 2005, landed a cheeky dig at the Portuguese manager.
Referring to Mourinho's two title-winning stints at Stamford Bridge, Gudjohnsen wrote: "Jose still knows how to get the best out of Chelsea!"
Daily Express:
Graceless winner, spiteful loser, calculated and callous defamer. Jose Mourinho, sadly, lived up to expectations today.
Independent:
Here he was again. The dressing room he alienated. The owner that was “never his friend”. ‘The Return’, as the broadcasters were calling it. And to make matters worse, Stamford Bridge’s press box, packed with the ‘Einsteins’ he has derided for the past month, was hanging over his dugout. The away dugout. Jose Mourinho has often been accused of manufacturing a ‘siege mentality’ at the clubs which he manages but he had no need to do so this time. He was already surrounded.
Afterwards, it was the same old petulance, the same old complaints, the same old blaming of his own players. The usual graceless reaction as a means of hiding his own flaws.
Guardian:
This season Mourinho, rumpled and grouchy, has at times seemed hesitant, bereft of the ruthlessness of old. Worse, when he has been ruthless, as he was in his treatment of Bastian Schweinsteiger, it felt like a trick. There is resignation rather than shock: Mourinho doing his thing again. His interviews and press conferences no longer have the same impact: the same strategies recur and rather than report the outrage they are designed to provoke, the media now focus on the strategy.
I do wonder whether the Premier League has moved on a little bit and Mourinho's tactics don't play out quite as well, particularly when he no longer has the a) bulletproof defensive set up of Chelsea to fall back on and b) most expensive side in the league.
Utd have a very good group of players and virtually unlimited spending power. Mourinho should just focus on making them great again, which is surely inevitable, but with him being such a fucking mentalist, he can't.
Utd have a very good group of players and virtually unlimited spending power. Mourinho should just focus on making them great again, which is surely inevitable, but with him being such a fucking mentalist, he can't.
"The Italian journalists saw through him more or less immediately"
I don't understand this. Saw through what?
He won the title in both of his seasons at Inter, and in his final season added the European Cup and domestic Cup.
I don't understand this. Saw through what?
He won the title in both of his seasons at Inter, and in his final season added the European Cup and domestic Cup.
Mourinho's comments to Conte about his wild celebrations when they scored the fourth goal were amusing for several reasons.
First of all, he's right: celebrating like that at 4-0 is a little bit small-time, but perfectly Chelsea. The hypocrisy of Mourinho lecturing people on proper football conduct is also delightful.
Conte's response that he wanted to gee up the Chelsea crowd because even at 4-0 all he could hear was United, also tells you everything you need to know about Chelsea fans.
It will be interesting to see how these two sides progress. Both have almost unlimited funds, and some great players, but systems and politics and motivation and the combustible nature of the managers and owners could mean more fireworks and disaster.
Conte's preference for three at the back must surely also be tested, as this has never worked for any length of time in the Premiership.
First of all, he's right: celebrating like that at 4-0 is a little bit small-time, but perfectly Chelsea. The hypocrisy of Mourinho lecturing people on proper football conduct is also delightful.
Conte's response that he wanted to gee up the Chelsea crowd because even at 4-0 all he could hear was United, also tells you everything you need to know about Chelsea fans.
It will be interesting to see how these two sides progress. Both have almost unlimited funds, and some great players, but systems and politics and motivation and the combustible nature of the managers and owners could mean more fireworks and disaster.
Conte's preference for three at the back must surely also be tested, as this has never worked for any length of time in the Premiership.
He has gone from being very good at having a Group following his instructions down to the smallest detail and has grown an enourmous ego on that power. Porto was a huge achievment. Chelsea first stint a perfect match as they were on way up but still had a potential to fullfill. Slowly he has moved from the Group to himself only. These "The Manager has been let down" remarks are so him... Await that some up in the hierarcy start to ask questions on team performance and he feel the shadow of Alex Ferguson stand at Old Trafford.... We have just seen the beginning!!!
Nah, that was Denis Healey. I suspect what macca's referring to is how, when Thatch did the dirty on Howe once too often, the speech he then delivered from the back benches (probably at the behest of his enraged wife) started the internal convulsions within the Tory Party which removed her from office.
Saw through the bullshit. In Italy Mourinho didn't have anything close to the admiration he has (or had) in England, he was constantly complaining of the media bias at the press-conferences, his famous "handcuffs" gesture was also an allusion to that perceived bias. Other managers didn't give him all that much respect either and had no patience for his little mind games – Italy has a really strong coaching tradition and quite conservative in a way, so Mourinho with his lack of pedigree as a player and media-driven personality simply did not fit in. He had a great last season with Inter, but couldn't wait to leave Italy.
His media tricks, his attempts to dress up crude abuse and defamatory allegations as sophisticated mind games, his petulance, his gracelessness, his cowardice, his cynicism. You can win things and still be an arsehole. Pretty obvious what I meant.
I still don't get it. He doesn't have to worry about unearned respect, bias or admiration when he wins the title in both seasons and the treble in his second.
The Italian media just hate foreign coaches and are generally xenophobic. Mind you, it's a pretty racist country in general.
Well, he did worry about it. In fact it drove him mad that he wasn't getting the same respect he got in England, despite his results. Some people have enough inner confidence to not worry too much about what other people think of them; Mourinho is not that type.
He's a narcissist and they crave - and feed off - admiration. It's their lifeblood.
"It is no surprise that all of the newspapers here were so quick to condemn Real Madrid. People are pleased Barcelona won, and they are pleased Mourinho lost. We do not have mind games in Italy, there is a certain way of speaking, a certain way of doing things. In mafia terms, it is an omerta. Some things are not spoken. Mourinho always had to be different. He is much more direct, much less diplomatic. Fans of Inter Milan love him. The rest of the country do not like him at all."
Emanuele Gamba, a columnist for Italian paper La Repubblica
"He seems to have forgotten that Wolfgang Stark, the referee in the Bernabéu, also ignored two penalties against Inter at Stamford Bridge last year. He seems to get worse every year. He does things just for himself, trying to find any trick he can just to find a way to win. But he does not treat people - be they fans, players, other managers or the press - well. That is why he is so unpopular here. For me, too, he is just an average tactician. That is why he creates so many mind games. He is a good motivator, but a manager of Real Madrid should not be playing three defensive midfielders at home. He is not just unpopular. He is over-rated."
Sky Italia commentator Massimo Marianella
Sampdoria chief executive Beppe Marotta said Mourinho 'creates a nasty climate'. Italian Football Federation vice-president Demetario Albertini accused Mourinho of 'continually throwing dirt at football'. AC Milan general manager Adriano Galliani, former president of the Italian League, went a stage further. 'We cannot continue like this,' he said. 'Mourinho has to stop. His attitude is tantamount to an incitement to violence.'
A top Italian writer, who deals with the Inter camp daily, said: 'We don't think he will be here next season and we won't be sorry about that. There are plenty of people around who will drive him to the airport.'
Emanuele Gamba, a columnist for Italian paper La Repubblica
"He seems to have forgotten that Wolfgang Stark, the referee in the Bernabéu, also ignored two penalties against Inter at Stamford Bridge last year. He seems to get worse every year. He does things just for himself, trying to find any trick he can just to find a way to win. But he does not treat people - be they fans, players, other managers or the press - well. That is why he is so unpopular here. For me, too, he is just an average tactician. That is why he creates so many mind games. He is a good motivator, but a manager of Real Madrid should not be playing three defensive midfielders at home. He is not just unpopular. He is over-rated."
Sky Italia commentator Massimo Marianella
Sampdoria chief executive Beppe Marotta said Mourinho 'creates a nasty climate'. Italian Football Federation vice-president Demetario Albertini accused Mourinho of 'continually throwing dirt at football'. AC Milan general manager Adriano Galliani, former president of the Italian League, went a stage further. 'We cannot continue like this,' he said. 'Mourinho has to stop. His attitude is tantamount to an incitement to violence.'
A top Italian writer, who deals with the Inter camp daily, said: 'We don't think he will be here next season and we won't be sorry about that. There are plenty of people around who will drive him to the airport.'
Quite. He needs the adulation, not his players. He needs to be the focus, the star, the one responsible for the success. So he tries every trick to gain the praise and the glory all for himself. From stupid self-made names for himself - 'The Special One' - to the ridiculous gimmicks like leaving the touchline before the final whistle, it has to be all about him. And he pre-programmed the British hacks like Pavlovian dogs. Elsewhere, when he tried the same things, they just looked at him and saw a strangely desperate and insecure egomaniac. They saw through that. They also saw he won things. It's not a difficult combination of insights.
So, a couple of grumpy xenophobes who didn't like a foreigner coming in and winning everything effortlessly, and a few that were upset he left their beloved Inter for a bigger club, and so rubbished him afterwards as an "average tactician"?
If you've just won two titles, one European Cup and the Coppa Italia in just two seasons in Italy, before moving on to manage Real Madrid, arguably the biggest club in the world, then the media claims that they have "seen through him" and he's "just an average tactician" rather loses it's impact and credibility, and smacks rather more of jealousy, xenophobia and good old-fashioned sour grapes.
I can see why the Italians were so upset, but they hardly saw him off, ego shredded, reputation trashed and tail between his legs, because he arrived, won everything straight away, then waltzed off to manage Real Madrid. Ciao!
If you've just won two titles, one European Cup and the Coppa Italia in just two seasons in Italy, before moving on to manage Real Madrid, arguably the biggest club in the world, then the media claims that they have "seen through him" and he's "just an average tactician" rather loses it's impact and credibility, and smacks rather more of jealousy, xenophobia and good old-fashioned sour grapes.
I can see why the Italians were so upset, but they hardly saw him off, ego shredded, reputation trashed and tail between his legs, because he arrived, won everything straight away, then waltzed off to manage Real Madrid. Ciao!
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It was said by Dennis Healey about Howe wasn't it?
I seemed to remember it being re quoted after that speech you talk about
That press conference... He's on about how the game was won and lost in the first minute. Effectively saying he came to play anti-football and was utterly incapable of doing anything else. I don't think the manure fans are gonna put up with that kind of BS much longer. I don't get it as an excuse from him. It makes him look totally pathetic and clueless, and he had two hours to think about it. He's done.
I'm sure the various United Forums are as split and argumentative as any other, and therefore there won't be any genuine consensus abut Mourinho. I would guess it's still the majority who think - correctly - that he needs more time and more transfer windows before anyone decides he's "finished".
But the recent run of results and performances must be sending them into a spiral of anger and madness. I haven't been on Red Cafe, but I would bet the following are some of the leading threads:
"Is It Time To Bring Back Rooney?"
"Zlatan Is Finished"
"Just What Does Pogba do?"
"Our defence"
"Has Mourinho Lost The Dressing Room?"
"What Has Happened to Martial?"
"I hate Fellaini"
Heh heh heh heh
I forgot about him. Yeah. That too.
And maybe complaints that a "role for Giggs could not be found" etc.
Aye, it worked against us because we couldn't score, but the game plan went straight out the window immediately which is just great to see. I hope he stays for a while longer this season just to watch further meltdowns. He's the kid on the playground who would shout offside for long enough until people actually believed him.
Obviously the same lizard protection doesn't work in Trafford as it does Chelsea
I'm hopeful that Maureen will go utterly batshit in training this morning.
He'll be frothing reading the back pages. Everyone is calling him a petulant child... his players are being mocked for swapping shirts and laughing in defeat. Can see it all going a bit Eva Carniero this week. Especially if they get fucked by Citeh on Wednesday.
You know it was only two weeks ago that Manure were crap because they persisted with Rooneh. I did believe they'd look a bit better without him... but the only game they've won since is the one he started in. That place is a shambles.
He'll be frothing reading the back pages. Everyone is calling him a petulant child... his players are being mocked for swapping shirts and laughing in defeat. Can see it all going a bit Eva Carniero this week. Especially if they get fucked by Citeh on Wednesday.
You know it was only two weeks ago that Manure were crap because they persisted with Rooneh. I did believe they'd look a bit better without him... but the only game they've won since is the one he started in. That place is a shambles.
Basically his after match interview was along the lines of " We gave away an early goal due to dreadful individual errors. We could have made it 1 - 1 but they scored a second on the break. We could have made it 2 - 1 but they scored a third on the break. We could have made it 3 - 1 but they scored a fourth on the break. If we had almost made it 4 - 1 they would probably have scored a fifth on the break"
Not sure about Guardiola, but you can be sure that Mourinho is going to treat this game like a Cup final. The biggest question will be around the return of heroes like Rooney and Carrick, but he will not be selecting a typical weakened side for this one.
He knows the importance of a victory, but he might also use it as an excuse to pick a side that is a little bit media and fan dictated, so that if it fails again, he can say "well, that's the side everyone wanted. You say I must play Rashford through the middle? So for you, I did it"
*grimace and weird shrug*
I can almost fucking hear it now.
A month where they play teams who have just been openly insulted, referred to as though they are mid-table garbage, in a ridiculous attempt to blame the fixture list for one man's incompetence.
That was my point. I thought you were saying it was Thatcher who said it originally.
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