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We need to talk about Keita..
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This line I disagree with, I guess the only thing he could have done better is go down when shoved by Noble? But bit risky. No shove and he gets a block in. It was very clever from West Ham, i think trying to pin that one on Naby is a bit desperate. I agree that he is under performing though.
Keita has been very disappointing so far in his short career with us. It's also frustrating as he was the summer signing we could all get behind. He still looks very talented so let's not write him off as a dud yet. Fabinho went from the bench to the hypothetical transfer list to become our most important midfielder in the space of a month.
I don't get the aggressive hate towards Keita though. It does seem like a certain section of poster and fans out there have really gotten stuck into him. There is no agenda as everyone wanted him to succeed but I do think he is getting too much flak when others around him as also under performing. I think Shaq is benefiting from the extra attention Keita is receiving right now. His poor performances haven't been documented much recently. He has been way below par for a while now.
The whole 'saga' nearly reminds me of Aqualani. We all wanted him to do well, he looked excellent in clips, the hype was there. His performances were, like Keita's are now, viewed under a microscope. He was bashed for a sloppy pass even though others around him were as guilty and then any decent pass he made was gushed over.
Keita deserves some support as he's clearly a talented player. Has his lived up to the fee and hype -No. Will he turn it around - Hope so.
I don't get the aggressive hate towards Keita though. It does seem like a certain section of poster and fans out there have really gotten stuck into him. There is no agenda as everyone wanted him to succeed but I do think he is getting too much flak when others around him as also under performing. I think Shaq is benefiting from the extra attention Keita is receiving right now. His poor performances haven't been documented much recently. He has been way below par for a while now.
The whole 'saga' nearly reminds me of Aqualani. We all wanted him to do well, he looked excellent in clips, the hype was there. His performances were, like Keita's are now, viewed under a microscope. He was bashed for a sloppy pass even though others around him were as guilty and then any decent pass he made was gushed over.
Keita deserves some support as he's clearly a talented player. Has his lived up to the fee and hype -No. Will he turn it around - Hope so.
There's no 'aggressive hate'. Why those who like a player or aren't much bothered either way or are wannabe PR representatives of him have to portray critics as lantern-lit, noose-tying, eye-bulging zealots intent on 'agenda-setting' and 'witch-hunting' is beyond me. He's a huge disappointment. That provokes exasperation and intense frustration if you think there''s potential there. No agenda. No witch hunt. Just disappointment and frustration and concern (cranked up every now and again by those who intervene to protest he's doing fine).
Very good post. Still unable to wrap my head around why Clyne was allowed to leave. In 2009 January, we sold Keane and did not replace him. In the 2014 title chase, we did not strengthen and was running on fumes by the time we reached May. It looks like the same thing has happened now.
I haven't noticed protestations that he's doing fine. Perhaps a few are pointing out some positive moments Keita is having but the general consensus is that he has been a major disappointment so far.
Not sure what to class as aggressive hate but on this forum I'm pretty sure I've read dud, useless, liability etc which all seem OTT when the player is clearly talented. He isn't showing it right now which is concern and a worry. Will he turn it around - I hope so. For the record, I'd all fit, I'd play Fabinho, Gini and Keita in midfield with Henderson rotated in and out. That is potentially our best mix.
Clyne clearly left for non footballing reasons. It's frustrating but Klopp didn't seem interested in playing him.
Personally? I'd play Fabinho and Milner with Shaqiri or Lallana ahead. Both work harder than Keita, Milner provides good balance between grit and creativity, while we can look for another alternative at right back, via Camacho or whoever.
As I've said already, personally I don't think there is an agenda against him and I don't agree with those accusing others of a witch hunt. Witch Hunt is strong word. Everyone was excited over his transfer and wanted him to succeed so a witch hunt to occur is OTT. I do think some people are being quick to call him useless and a dud etc. He has been no where near as good as we had hoped but I not sure he's a dud? The Leicester thread did irk me a little. Everything Keita did was picked apart and derided. Even being fouled at one point was his own fault.
Forums are funny old places. Posters are often pigeon holed or find themselves in 'for or against camps' when in reality the camp may not actually exist. The only thing this forum has probably ever universally agreed on is that Moreno was/is a liability and Diouf was/is a prick.
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That article he's talking about is in The Times and the headline does say that, but the article hardly mentions Fabinho, just says that they've both been a bit hit and miss, and that Fabinho was left isolated because Keita and Lallana didn't help him out much. It slates Lallana quite a bit too. It's actually a whole load of nothing, really.
Was going to say something like this myself. It definitely feels like we've been here before, even under Klopp.
Yeah he's definitely going to be a divisive player for fans due to the price tag and the initial hype. He is also a potential whipping boy if not already. He's a perfect player to direct some of our pent up frustrations at as we watch our lead at the top erode slightly.
He's waaaay to early to call yet. He is clearly talented and I enjoyed him slaloming into the box in the last two games but he is only showing us this ability in flashes which isn't enough really at this stage of the season. We had hopes he would be dictating games on his own by now.
So this witch-hunt reminds people of Aqualani and Lucas, both of whom were ultimately proven to be witches.
Lucas was the longest, worst "witch-hunt" ever.
It is rare a good amount of posters go after a genuinely quality player
It's rare we're wrong when we mob
It was everyone just pointing at the useless cunt, going "witch cunt right there"
Only for successive managers going "who? Behind Lucas?"
Hahahaha
But..But..that is when SCM at its best. Actually I think the Keita critique from this forum has been fairly soft. Good thing he doesn't do stuff like "recycle possession" and "interceptions". That is when entire SCM splits into two camps - one led by Ryan and his ilk and the other by manwithnoname. The more intellectual posters accusing us for not understanding the value of the subtleties and manwithnoname raising his criticism levels in response. That is peak SCM.
Hahaha. I couldn't find a more appropriate word for posters who often hark on the "subtleties of the game".
I love the idea that we have ‘more intellectual posters’.
Like Ryan.
Like Ryan.
I missed most of the first half but tuned in on my phone for the second and could not believe how much ground Keita was covering. He was popping up in front of our defenders, driving through the middle, attacking from the wings - everywhere!
Then I realized at least some of that was Mane. In my defense, the stream was poor resolution.
Then I realized at least some of that was Mane. In my defense, the stream was poor resolution.
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