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Victor Moses

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Hansern

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anyone seen him play? Is he all hyped up, or is there some talent there?

We're linked with him today, and I know he plays as a left winger/striker. We could certainly need some pace and new talent on the left wing.

Getting rid of Babel/Dossena would probably mean that we could get a new winger in january.
 
It was widely reported in the media and backed up by people in the know here that we wouldn't be purchasing any players in January. We are scrambling around looking to pick up 6 month loan deals. It's highly unlikely that Palace will want to loan us one of their brightest prospects.
 
[quote author=SafeEuropeanHome link=topic=38031.msg1018543#msg1018543 date=1261323075]
Stay away Victor, mate. Benitez will drain all the flair and enthusiasm out of you, unless you're a lumbering Dutch fella.
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Yep, you'll also get unrealistic expectations from fans.
 
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[quote author=SafeEuropeanHome link=topic=38031.msg1018543#msg1018543 date=1261323075]
Stay away Victor, mate. Benitez will drain all the flair and enthusiasm out of you, unless you're a lumbering Dutch fella.
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Yep, you'll also get unrealistic expectations from fans.
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Are you sure it wasn't Everton you picked as your soccer team? They have all the mediocrity and low expectations you crave.
 
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[quote author=SafeEuropeanHome link=topic=38031.msg1018543#msg1018543 date=1261323075]
Stay away Victor, mate. Benitez will drain all the flair and enthusiasm out of you, unless you're a lumbering Dutch fella.
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Yep, you'll also get unrealistic expectations from fans.
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Are you sure it wasn't Everton you picked as your soccer team? They have all the mediocrity and low expectations you crave.
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Nope, have you watched football without Sky TV?
 
Either he is real good and wil be picked up by a good team, or he is just a hype that will leave the dream of our supoorters until they saw the real Moses.... Been there done that... Over and over and over again... For the lads sake I hope he is picked up by someone!!!
 
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[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=38031.msg1018492#msg1018492 date=1261319099]
Thought we already had Jesus in the reserves? ???
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Ba boom boom *flush*!
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But we have got him in reserves, yes?
 
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[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=38031.msg1018492#msg1018492 date=1261319099]
Thought we already had Jesus in the reserves? ???
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Ba boom boom *flush*!
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But we have got him in reserves, yes?
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According to rafa Jesus was always talented, but never kept the orders right.. Or as John Cleese responded: Dont do it again!
 
He's a young domestic talent who those in the know are saying is destined to be a belter.
So like Walcott, huddlestone, wilshire, Ramsay, bale and every other supposed lower league talent he won't be coming here.
Why would we when we can pay half the amount for an almost certainly inferior older squad player from argentina.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38031.msg1018646#msg1018646 date=1261330412]
He's a young domestic talent who those in the know are saying is destined to be a belter.
So like Walcott, huddlestone, wilshire, Ramsay, bale and every other supposed lower league talent he won't be coming here.
Why would we when we can pay half the amount for an almost certainly inferior older squad player from argentina.
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Deffo the case as always
 
I dunno, we do have one good Argentinian; the world class defensive midfielder who has been lumbered with a central midfield partner so crushingly ineffectual it is enough to make you weep

And don't forget our young Argentinian left-back; you used to like him, I thought

Although I always thought he was slow, fat and shit
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38031.msg1018649#msg1018649 date=1261330886]
I dunno, we do have one good Argentinian; the world class defensive midfielder who has been lumbered with a central midfield partner so crushingly ineffectual it is enough to make you weep

And don't forget our young Argentinian left-back; you used to like him, I thought

Although I always thought he was slow, fat and shit
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i liked sebastian leto.....he was argentinian, slow, shit AND tall.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38031.msg1018649#msg1018649 date=1261330886]
I dunno, we do have one good Argentinian; the world class defensive midfielder who has been lumbered with a central midfield partner so crushingly ineffectual it is enough to make you weep

And don't forget our young Argentinian left-back; you used to like him, I thought

Although I always thought he was slow, fat and shit
[/quote]Yeah, I do like Mascherano of course, and I still think Insua will be ok, he looks shite at the minute because our whole defence is shite. Not to suggest he's kicked on or anything of course he hasn't at all.
Anyway that wasn't the point. Allow me to change it to French or Hungarian.
 
Cheers Andy, that was at least one good answer. On the other hand, why wouldnt he come here, our left side is so shite, he'd start plenty of games.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=38031.msg1018659#msg1018659 date=1261331395]
Cheers Andy, that was at least one good answer. On the other hand, why wouldnt he come here, our left side is so shite, he'd start plenty of games.
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But rafa hates young talented players, and loves slow waste of spaces
 
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He's a young domestic talent who those in the know are saying is destined to be a belter.
So like Walcott, huddlestone, wilshire, Ramsay, bale and every other supposed lower league talent he won't be coming here.
Why would we when we can pay half the amount for an almost certainly inferior older squad player from argentina.
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Mostly not a persuasive list, Oncy. Walcott is starting to look like he might have flattered to deceive all along; Huddlestone has looked like that for some time; Wilshire I'll give you, but there have been reports that Rafa did want Ramsey (had even agreed terms according to some) only for the deal not to be sanctioned by the board; Bale - you're having a laugh, right? Rafa's record with other than top-level signings is admittedly iffy, but this lot are hardly among his worst mistakes.
 
That's a little unfair. By all accounts we tried to get Ramsay before getting pipped by Arsenal and we were also interested in Walcott but thought the price was a little too steep.

It seems that it's always one of Spurs and Arsenal that splash out on these kids.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=38031.msg1018703#msg1018703 date=1261334537]
I thought Wilshere has been at Arsenal from the start?
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He has...
 
Ok so when was the last time we heard of a young up and coming British player that came to Liverpool?
Delph? No Young? No Milner? No Lennon? No.
I know I go on about this from time to time but it fucking really pisses me off. Yes you pay a bit more but here's the rub, all of those players (Bale excluded) look like being top class premiership players in years to come ALL bought from lower league clubs in the time that we have signed Palleta, Leto, Babel, Gonzales, N'gog, Lucas and probably 10 other duffer eurokids all worth two bits of fuck all because they are mostly fucking shite.
Honest to god it makes me feel sick looking at some of the fucking bilge we've spent fortunes on (20m on babel, Leto and Lucas ffs that'd be Ramsay and Young in our side)
So Moses won't sign for us because we don't sign young quality English league players.
 
I don't disagree that those players wouldn't improve us greatly now, however I'm not sure about getting so worked up about it.

Those players have gone to clubs who have won nothing in recent years. Utd and Chelsea don't really go out of their way to sign these players and when they have (Sinclair, Foster), you'd hardly say it's been a resounding success.

Teams like Villa and Spurs buy these players and play them week in, week out (Arsenal are a bit of an anomaly given their setup and Wenger)... we wouldn't. Would the likes of Young and Lennon become the same players at Liverpool?

I don't think they would've done. They'd have struggled with the odd appearance and then gotten fucked off to the same clubs that have 'em now. The top clubs generally wait for these talents to mature at smaller clubs and then use their spending power to prise them away.

If we're talking about hindsight, I'd look at players like Defoe.
 
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I don't disagree that those players wouldn't improve us greatly now, however I'm not sure about getting so worked up about it.

Those players have gone to clubs who have won nothing in recent years. Utd and Chelsea don't really go out of their way to sign these players and when they have (Sinclair, Foster), you'd hardly say it's been a resounding success.

Teams like Villa and Spurs buy these players and play them week in, week out (Arsenal are a bit of an anomaly given their setup and Wenger)... we wouldn't. Would the likes of Young and Lennon become the same players at Liverpool?

I don't think they would've done. They'd have struggled with the odd appearance and then gotten fucked off to the same clubs that have 'em now. The top clubs generally wait for these talents to mature at smaller clubs and then use their spending power to prise them away.

If we're talking about hindsight, I'd look at players like Defoe.
[/quote]Chelsea are the anomaly not Arsenal because of their spending, although they still signed Johnson, Sturridge, Cole and Lampard at a young age.
Manchester united chanced into an astonishing run of home grown players, because their club saw the benefit of a top class youth set up way before anyone else (uk) and they are still reaping the benefits with Evans, Gibson, Welbeck etc They have had little need to trawl the lower leagues because they already have a top class youth system.
 
Cole and Lampard fall into the Defoe category as they were hardly plucked out of obscurity at the age of 17. And what's more, they were building at the time, as City are now.

United have done well out of their youth setup in recent years but the reward has largely been financial. Thus far the players Ferguson has earmarked as replacements for the old guard have all been rather expensive imports. It's also worth noting that Ferguson's most successful punt came from Portugal.
 
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Cole and Lampard fall into the Defoe category as they were hardly plucked out of obscurity at the age of 17. And what's more, they were building at the time, as City are now.

United have done well out of their youth setup in recent years but the reward has largely been financial. Thus far the players Ferguson has earmarked as replacements for the old guard have all been rather expensive imports. It's also worth noting that Ferguson's most successful punt came from Portugal.
[/quote]I agree to a degree, and (childish alert) I don't fucking care. I want to sign some up and coming British players. I'm sick of up and coming foreign shite.

That said i'd take some up and coming foreign players that aren't dogmuck. If we can't get Moses, Delphs, lennons etc then maybe we could get some kerlons, patos, higauins, kerrisons etc
 
How about:

Pacheco
Buchtmann
Nemeth

Ince
Ecclescake
Amoo


Let's not write them off yet.

I actually think Wash is pretty decent if provided decent support.
 
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