VAR var var vaaaaaar

[LeTallecWiz]

Ok ... I just read this on another site, and if I'm wrong I expect @King Binny will correct me.

VAR has been involved in 80 decisions so far this year.
14 have involved Liverpool - 17.5% of all VAR required decisions.
6 goals disallowed, 3 penalties against us and 0 in our favor (i.e. a non-call that was overturned).

Man U have also been involved in 14 decisions ... 2 penalties against them were reverted, 2 goals scored against them were canceled & 2 more penalties were given to them

 

[Modo]

I don't want to offend, but all this VAR talk isn't impressing me at all. Just sounds like loser talk, looking to blame anything but ourselves.
I've been around on this forum for a long while and I've seen this kind of talk before.

 

[tombrown]

Way to drop the LiVARpool tag

 

[Dreambeliever]

You make your own luck.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

You make your own luck.

Fine, explain the game winning goal against everton being chalked off?

 

[LeTallecWiz]

I don't want to offend, but all this VAR talk isn't impressing me at all. Just sounds like loser talk, looking to blame anything but ourselves.
I've been around on this forum for a long while and I've seen this kind of talk before.

I can accept if it's refs without computers etc.
Are you saying you can accept the red card tackle on Van Dijk (which cost us a win and season)? The offsides 'goal' to beat Everton? The penalty the next week against Brighton - which their players said wasn't and a week later wasn't given for the exact same foul by a Chelsea player? The goal yesterday if the Everton goal was off? There are far too many things like this happening. It's cost us points - enough points to have us 2nd. If you think it's 'losers' talk' - ok. I'm not talking about it being the difference between winning the league or not - we've just not been good enough, but it may very well be the difference between finishing 4th or not and then 'losers' talk' can see our team go back to the good days of where this "talk before" was when we were just hoping to be a team at the level of where we should be today were it not for injuries.

 

[bluebell]

I can accept if it's refs without computers etc.
Are you saying you can accept the red card tackle on Van Dijk (which cost us a win and season)? The offsides 'goal' to beat Everton? The penalty the next week against Brighton - which their players said wasn't and a week later wasn't given for the exact same foul by a Chelsea player? The goal yesterday if the Everton goal was off? There are far too many things like this happening. It's cost us points - enough points to have us 2nd. If you think it's 'losers' talk' - ok. I'm not talking about it being the difference between winning the league or not - we've just not been good enough, but it may very well be the difference between finishing 4th or not and then 'losers' talk' can see our team go back to the good days of where this "talk before" was when we were just hoping to be a team at the level of where we should be today were it not for injuries.

You're right. However, you're rant is identical to Ty's from AFTV

 

[Halmeister]

Yeah, people like to get all sanctimonious and say things as we've seen above like "loser talk", "make your own luck" etc. But dismissing it as sour grapes means that legitimate concerns aren't adressed and discussed.

It's how referees have been getting away with their shite for years, reaching new disastrous depths this year - because people say things like "get over it", "it's part of the game". It's a massive problem but we will never get anywhere if people keep dismissing it.

Have we been good enough? No. But that doesn't negate the argument that VAR has cost us big. The Everton game and Leicester yesterday potentially cost us 5 points. Even the shove against Mane could've been looked at. Imagine how much good those 5 points would do us now.

It's a fucking sham and a farce and it's a legitimate concern that needs to be addressed.

 

[Halmeister]

It's not just us either. The awful officiating last season meant that Bournemouth went down and Villa stayed up. All because someone forgot to switch on the goal line technology. But that's loser talk.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

You're right. However, you're rant is identical to Ty's from AFTV

Some of the calls that have screwed Arsenal this year have been disgraceful too (the last one was a blatant penalty in their favor that somehow was missed - Martinez grabbing Lacazette in the box and holding him until he falls). I don't think it's a necessarily a conspiracy but this has to be addressed - it can't be that what's meant to help the game is hurting it so much. I'd rather all those calls were made by refs without VAR, because at least then I could excuse it!

 

[Modo]

I can accept if it's refs without computers etc.
Are you saying you can accept the red card tackle on Van Dijk (which cost us a win and season)? The offsides 'goal' to beat Everton? The penalty the next week against Brighton - which their players said wasn't and a week later wasn't given for the exact same foul by a Chelsea player? The goal yesterday if the Everton goal was off? There are far too many things like this happening. It's cost us points - enough points to have us 2nd. If you think it's 'losers' talk' - ok. I'm not talking about it being the difference between winning the league or not - we've just not been good enough, but it may very well be the difference between finishing 4th or not and then 'losers' talk' can see our team go back to the good days of where this "talk before" was when we were just hoping to be a team at the level of where we should be today were it not for injuries.

Yeah, there's been some VAR irregularities but still why didn't we just score a few goals? Like, why we weren't we up by five against Burnley, WBA and Brighton when we got "fucked" by VAR?

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Yeah, there's been some VAR irregularities but still why didn't we just score a few goals? Like we weren't we up by five against Burnley, WBA and Brighton when we got "fucked" by VAR?

This is stupid logic - players aren't robots, forms goes up and down.
No one has said we've played well, or deserved to win game after game.
Most of us have complained about our level of play, about the form, about how injuries have fucked the way we play etc.
However, that doesn't mean that when we deserve to win games, that the only thing that fucks us is the refs. That's not about luck - because last year, when we made our run early on - we won a ton of games 2-1, 1-0 etc ... That's what we could have been doing this year, but now it's supposedly making your 'own luck' ...

 

[Modo]

This is stupid logic - players aren't robots, forms goes up and down.
No one has said we've played well, or deserved to win game after game.
Most of us have complained about our level of play, about the form, about how injuries have fucked the way we play etc.
However, that doesn't mean that when we deserve to win games, that the only thing that fucks us is the refs. That's not about luck - because last year, when we made our run early on - we won a ton of games 2-1, 1-0 etc ... That's what we could have been doing this year, but now it's supposedly making your 'own luck' ...

Last year we were fucking amazing. There's no comparison. As for being a stupid argument look at what City are doing the teams in the premier league. Do they need VAR?
If there wasn't VAR we would be blaming the refs anyways while asking for VAR to be implemented.
And if we lost on away goals we would be taking about how away goals is stupid and unfair.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Last year we were fucking amazing. There's no comparison. As for being a stupid argument look at what City are doing the teams in the premier league. Do they need VAR?
If there wasn't VAR we would be blaming the refs anyways while asking for VAR to be implemented.
And if we lost on away goals we would be taking about how away goals is stupid and unfair.

There is a comparison - we were fucking amazing but could barely beat Aston Villa away, got penalties to win games late and were being called LiVARpool for penalties that seemed legit (i.e. contact) in today's game.
Why are you comparing this to Man City? They got robbed a few times last year by dodgy VAR calls - many of us were fully aware then that this shit would happen to us, just law of averages.
So your argument is this - a team should win all games comfortably and ensure the refs can't influence the game with "VAR irregularities" (read: Bullshit calls?), but if they play well enough to win by one goal and the refs screw them, that's their fault.
Your logic re: away goals I think highlights how weak your point is - every team has the same exact challenge with away goals. Every team, hence they all deal with it. You cannot go into a match thinking a ref AND VAR will miss a blatant red card in the box and then rule out a clear as fucking daylight onside goal to win a game. You cannot 'train' or 'practice' for this bullshit. Just call a spade a spade, or are you happy with "VAR irregularities"?

 

[Modo]

All I'm trying to say is, we won the league last season. We've been extremely (like twilight zone level) unlucky this season. There's no need for all this. The injured players will be back, we will regroup, people will be back on the stands and football will be fun again.

 

[dantes]

Irregularities hahaha it's not some statistical error that's thrown up. These are things the ref looks at, with eyes, replays, and then decides. If your kid pointed to a red car and said look daddy, look, a blue car, vroom vroom, then that's not an irregularity, it's your kid having special needs. Same standard applies to referees. Fucking irregularities my arse.

 

[Halmeister]

It's the officiating in general that needs to be called into question too. Just look at how high a team as poor as this current Man United team can get with help from an easy ride from officials. And look where we are. The bad officiating has a much bigger impact on the season than people think, and it doesn't "even itself out".

 

[Halmeister]

How often do you see teams foul Mane and Salah with impunity, while our players are penalised for the slightest touch? It's a fucking joke.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

All I'm trying to say is, we won the league last season. We've been extremely (like twilight zone level) unlucky this season. There's no need for all this. The injured players will be back, we will regroup, people will be back on the stands and football will be fun again.

Despite by doom and gloom, my gut tells me we win the league next year.
I still don't think that this shit should affect teams - that may lose 4th (us?) or get relegated because refs screw them here or there out of points where it doesn't make sense.
If it's a 50/50 penalty - ok, I can accept that.
If it's Mane's offsides, sorry that's bullshit.
I hope all the rumors re: Klopp are bullshit because then my gut prediction for next year may need to be adjusted.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

How often do you see teams foul Mane and Salah with impunity, while our players are penalised for the slightest touch? It's a fucking joke.

Yup, that too has crossed the line.
The media obsession with them last year has resulted in refs allowing them to be destroyed, while fucking Raheem can flop in the box and win penalty after penalty.
Enough of it, and if not, I'm happy for Mane - once we've wrapped up 4th, to break some in half and apologize, "I just wanted to ensure the refs gave a card for a foul involving me"

 

[tombrown]

Bloody hell - VAR just overruled a penalty for Utd. The world has gone mad

Even in that - they spent ages looking at the subjective whether there was "enough contact" for the penalty, and totally ignored the objective fact that Maguire was a yard offside.

 

[ibromurph]

Bloody hell - VAR just overruled a penalty for Utd. The world has gone mad

Even in that - they spent ages looking at the subjective whether there was "enough contact" for the penalty, and totally ignored the objective fact that Maguire was a yard offside.

Amazing incompetence. Clearly offside.

 

[Halmeister]

Bloody hell - VAR just overruled a penalty for Utd. The world has gone mad

Even in that - they spent ages looking at the subjective whether there was "enough contact" for the penalty, and totally ignored the objective fact that Maguire was a yard offside.

Probably like how we've been fucked several times this season... amazing incompetence and bureaucracy

 

[LeTallecWiz]

He goes on, "I've not been able to get information that convinces me this onside decision was correct without any serious doubt. A line drawn from the badge goes past the edge of the knee and lands inside the yellow defensive line. That suggests that Daniel Amartey was marginally offside."

and, "With other questionable offside decisions, I've had explanations that are either acceptable or fit the use of the technology as we have seen it in the Premier League. PGMOL are standing by the Amartey decision, but the information provided hasn't been convincing."

 

[Hyena]

Offside should just be decided by feet. End of. That would stop almost 80% of ridiculous debates about line-drawing, it would be easy to understand, and also give the advantage to the attacking player.

 

[tombrown]

Offside should just be decided by feet. End of. That would stop almost 80% of ridiculous debates about line-drawing, it would be easy to understand, and also give the advantage to the attacking player.

Feet rather than millimeters? Interesting idea