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United mess

Nah, not relegated, but sacking Amorim by the end of the season is definitely on.
 
When expectations are THAT low, the only way is up, which helps Ruben Amorim
I think he will bring them back to some decent level.

Where are they relative to our bad ole days?
I'm not sure between 1991 and 2015 we were ever that bad?
Maybe under Woy? But it didn't last as long

Getting rid of the likes of Rashford is a MUST for changing the culture.
 
There is NO way he rejected them in the summer and then went mid season without any firm red lines.

I'm sure that would include him playing 'his way'no matter what.
And absolutely must have some kinda assurance re backing in transfers.
 
There is NO way he rejected them in the summer and then went mid season without any firm red lines.

I'm sure that would include him playing 'his way'no matter what.
And absolutely must have some kinda assurance re backing in transfers.

And a large severance package
 
Bullet dodged.

& I'm not talking about Ugarte, Yoro, Mount and all the other shit players on their books.
 
A mess is what they were under Moyes......LVG.......Rangnick..........Ole.

This is Man U we're talking about here, I never thought it was possible they could ever be worse off when they were under Moyesy, how wrong I was.

This ladies and gentlemen, is what rock bottom looks like.
 
I'll be shocked if Amorim gave up that payout. As long as he doesn't spend a load of money on shite then he can get out of their reasonably unscathered and rebuild himself. We all know United are a shambles behind the scenes. Just imagine how much more the people in the game do than us. They'll all know what a cluster fuck it is.

Anyway, for your viewing pleasure:


View: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGdALWKUB/
 
He comes across as a bit of a tit.
Drama in the press, shitting on his players. Also refuses to adapt to the squad he has.
Glad he is theirs.
 
I can’t see how calling the players the worst Man Utd team ever is going to motivate them to bust a gut for him.

Particularly, as a manager, when you’ve come in and actually made things worse.

Ratcliffe has a boner for presentism at work - when’s he going to sack a few players, because there’s a few of them look like they’re “working” from home.
 
He comes across as a bit of a tit.
Drama in the press, shitting on his players. Also refuses to adapt to the squad he has.
Glad he is theirs.
Contrast it to Slot who also has his philosophy and playing style, but also constantly emphasizes that it’s the manager’s job to adapt tactics to the players he has - something Amorim is clearly struggling with. Criticize FSG all you want, but they made a crucial right decision that was far from straightforward at the time - Amorim had significantly more hype in the media than Slot.

Imagine if we chose Amorim and Slot ended up at United.
 
Contrast it to Slot who also has his philosophy and playing style, but also constantly emphasizes that it’s the manager’s job to adapt tactics to the players he has - something Amorim is clearly struggling with. Criticize FSG all you want, but they made a crucial right decision that was far from straightforward at the time - Amorim had significantly more hype in the media than Slot.

Imagine if we chose Amorim and Slot ended up at United.
Although having a preseason with a squad that came third the previous season is very different to taking over a seriously struggling side midseason.
 
I'll be shocked if Amorim gave up that payout. As long as he doesn't spend a load of money on shite then he can get out of their reasonably unscathered and rebuild himself. We all know United are a shambles behind the scenes. Just imagine how much more the people in the game do than us. They'll all know what a cluster fuck it is.

Anyway, for your viewing pleasure:


View: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGdALWKUB/

They got rid of DDG for this. This keeper actually epitomes the club - a joke.
 
Although having a preseason with a squad that came third the previous season is very different to taking over a seriously struggling side midseason.
Yes, but it was predictable and makes me question Amorim’s judgement. Just like the ill-timed trip to West Ham.
 
Yes, but it was predictable and makes me question Amorim’s judgement. Just like the ill-timed trip to West Ham.
Sure, but Klopp made the same kind of judgement call in joining us and changed our playing style to his straight away. It was obvious from his first game.
 
Sure, but Klopp made the same kind of judgement call in joining us and changed our playing style to his straight away. It was obvious from his first game.
He introduced a more pressing style, but he did not force fit the players into a new formation. It probably took until Salah joined and Coutino left that he finally settled on his 4-3-3 formation for the long term
 
There's a wider conversation about managers and their footballing philosophy.
It was around before of course but apparently popularised by Pep.

Now seems managers have a style they play even if they don't have the players for it.
Kompany got Burnley relegated with his philosophy and landed the Munich job.
Martin at Southampton didn't seem to want to move away from his philosophy even though players kept making ridiculous mistakes because of the way he was playing.
Spurs and forster a few weeks back the same.

Even pep to an extent with the recent poor run wasn't really much interested in changing things up and insisted on playing the system and then blamed injury to the player who was the lynchpin for the system.
 
Now that we’ve played them both times, we can laugh at this mess of a club, can’t we? Keep the schadenfreude here.


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Can they be relegated?

We could draw them in the Cup again and no, we don't get nice things; Ev will survive and prosper under Gollum, City will get off on the charges and United will pick up sufficient in the transfer window to kick start Amorim's era.
 
Sure, but Klopp made the same kind of judgement call in joining us and changed our playing style to his straight away. It was obvious from his first game.
Yeah, but fortunately Klopp already had some future pillars of his new team at Liverpool – Firmino, who he admired back in Germany, a consummate pro in Milner; Lallana and Hendo to an extent, even Lucas... The forward line and back 5 had to be completely rebuilt, but at least there was something to latch on to. And Michael Edwards had similar ideas about football, at least it looked so at first.

Who is Amorim's "main guy" at United? I guess the closest is Bruno who is starting to age out of his prime and doesn't fully fit Amorim's style of play – too positionally indisciplined. The owners are clueless and the sporting director got fired and not replaced. And he also immediately walked into a toxic situation with having to kick United's poster boy Rashford out of the club as the first order of business.

I take your point that there are also some similarities between Klopp and Amorim's situations – maybe the main difference is that Klopp is simply a better manager.
 
Sure, but Klopp made the same kind of judgement call in joining us and changed our playing style to his straight away. It was obvious from his first game.
Changed our style yes, but didn't force implement his preferred formation.
Klopp played with a more attacking midfielder in Dortmund.
Our formation became basically a flat 3 in midfield and a false 9.
 
There's a wider conversation about managers and their footballing philosophy.
It was around before of course but apparently popularised by Pep.

Now seems managers have a style they play even if they don't have the players for it.
Kompany got Burnley relegated with his philosophy and landed the Munich job.
Martin at Southampton didn't seem to want to move away from his philosophy even though players kept making ridiculous mistakes because of the way he was playing.
Spurs and forster a few weeks back the same.

Even pep to an extent with the recent poor run wasn't really much interested in changing things up and insisted on playing the system and then blamed injury to the player who was the lynchpin for the system.
I think the trends have shifted and that uncompromising breed of managers is generally on the way out rather than on the upswing – not too many Guardiola copycats remain gainfully employed. Kompany at Bayern is a weird exception; even Arteta shifted to pragmatism. I think the new breed of top managers (including Slot) absorbed Guardiola and Bielsa's ideas, but learned to marry them with certain amount of flexibility and pragmatism.

Poor Pep Lijnders is an extreme example of what the downfall of an ideologically dogmatic and inflexible coach looks like.
 
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