He’d surely be back up to a new rb if Trent is lining up in midfield and we’re keeping to a 433 variant?
Pavard (with benefit that he can cover Cb or fits a box set up) or similar with Bradley back up…
Trent as the ‘6’
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Pavard (with benefit that he can cover Cb or fits a box set up) or similar with Bradley back up…
Trent is a much better player when he's coming onto the ball and moving forwards with it, he's no where near as good with his back to the ball, and his suspect defensive discipline and his inclination to roam means he always needs supporting players to cover him. He's a terrible choice for a single 6, and whilst he works well alongside another six who can allow him to play with more freedom, a fixed double 6 system is a terrible choice for our team. Someone's already made a post about it in the thread which is much better than the shit I'm writing here, but our challenge this season is to get the best out of Trent whilst not sacrificing our double eight set up in midfield which is essential for our press and forward progression. The inverted right back role last season was a very good basis for this, and something we should progress with.
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What is a 6? Mascher, Didi and Fabs were traditional 6's...lacked any pace but knew how to tackle and would play the simple pass. Trent cannot do that... To get the best out of him, play him RCM or keep the inverted RB system. If Thiago goes we will need 2 more MFs, one of them should be a 6
Masher did not lack pace ffs
Trent's our best player by about 5 million miles. There's absolutely no reason why Trent can't be our De Bruyne. I'd pick a 10-man formation and tell him he can do whatever the fuck he wants. There are no players out there we could sign to do the same.
I presume that means going back to the system we started last season with, where Trent starts at RB and then moves inside a lot - rather than starts as the DM.
That system will seemingly succeed or fail on the forward press.
I wonder whether we’ll see Gakpo as a False 9.
I will be very surprised if Gakpo doesn't start as a False 9.
I would too- but I do t know where that leaves Nunez, other than the bench.
That’s why I’m looking forward to watching these couple of Singapore friendlies.
What do you reckon, Gakpo starts as a False 9 flanked by Diaz & Mo, with Mac A & Slobbers in attacking midfield and Curtis as a DM?
I believe it is going to be Gakpo flanked by Jota and Mo. I will be very surprised if Nunez is a starter.
Midfield - Mac A will start. Other than that, honestly no clue. It will be very interesting to see how this team of Klopp evolves.
I’m sure our new numero 9 Nunez will start up front and Gakpo will also play because he’s undroppable. How Klopp will make the rest of the system work I have no idea - a lot will depend on signings.
At this moment, absent any new first team signings, I think our starting 11 is:
—————Nunez—————-
Diaz—————————Salah
——Gakpo—Szloboszlai——
———Alexis——Trent————
—Robbo—Van Dijk—Konate—
——————Alli——————-
This is the most attacking “we shall fuck you up” lineup we can field. Ideal for home games. There are lots of ways within the same system to make it more defensively oriented, by changing the personnel - for instance subbing any of the front 3 players for Gakpo/Szoboszlai while Jones or another midfielder takes their place in midfield. Or for Trent to drop back to RB while (soon-to-be-signed, hopefully) Lavia takes his place as a creative #6.
Diaz—-———Gakpo-———Salah
———Jones————Alexis———
————-——Lavia——————
Robbo—Van Dijk—Konate—Trent
———————Alli——————-
At this moment, absent any new first team signings, I think our starting 11 is:
—————Nunez—————-
Diaz—————————Salah
——Gakpo—Szloboszlai——
———Alexis——Trent————
—Robbo—Van Dijk—Konate—
——————Alli——————-
This is the most attacking “we shall fuck you up” lineup we can field. Ideal for home games. There are lots of ways within the same system to make it more defensively oriented, by changing the personnel - for instance subbing any of the front 3 players for Gakpo/Szoboszlai while Jones or another midfielder takes their place in midfield. Or for Trent to drop back to RB while (soon-to-be-signed, hopefully) Lavia takes his place as a creative #6.
Diaz—-———Gakpo-———Salah
———Jones————Alexis———
————-——Lavia——————
Robbo—Van Dijk—Konate—Trent
———————Alli——————-
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I think so.
After the calamatious defensive showings of last season, the prospect of playing with 5 attackers, no DM and no fullbacks terrifies me.
I thin it would be fine, not great, but fine. He has the ability to still be progressive from back there and make long defense-splitting passes. And, he is smart enough to know when he can push forward and when to hold.
Even with a new DM, he will be a solid option in case of injuries.
Fluid being a synonym of "not solid", also.
Going by the highlights, Curtis Jones is also a better 6 than TAA too.
TAA isn't a 360 degree player, right now. He needs the play to be in front of him.
Incidentally, Jones is looking like a good player again.
I wouldn't be surprised if we start the season with him and Mac in the two 8 spots.
TAA isn't a 360 degree player, right now. He needs the play to be in front of him.
Incidentally, Jones is looking like a good player again.
I wouldn't be surprised if we start the season with him and Mac in the two 8 spots.
The main thing is that Jones finally got a haircut. Not a great one but it's a start.
The whole floaty TAA experiment is a kind of madness anyways, particularly given our situation.
Think I said a while back that if we had someone like Kante in his prime capable of covering, it'd perhaps be a different story but right now... not for me.
The whole floaty TAA experiment is a kind of madness anyways, particularly given our situation.
Think I said a while back that if we had someone like Kante in his prime capable of covering, it'd perhaps be a different story but right now... not for me.
Yeah, I think it might work if we had an athletic, mobile DM capable of covering the large spaces he leaves behind him and snuffing out danger. Without one, it looks a bit of a floaty mess.
I'm confused, 6 as in playmaker or defensive midfielder?
Because I barely saw any defending in that compilation.
Also, Trent isn't a '6' and he never was. He'll be completely useless if he doesn't have a DM behind him.
Mac - Trent
-----DM
Or
Szobo - Trent
-----DM
I don’t think we’ll see Trent playing as a traditional RB or playing as an 8 in a traditional midfield 3 - that just doesn’t look like what Klopp is trying to achieve.
That free role that allows him to drift centrally or stay out wide must be a nightmare to mark - wouldn't he be creating overloads wherever he goes - you couldn’t stick a man on him because he’s either deep or wide and do teams mark zonally like that in midfield - either way he’ll be creating space for someone else to exploit.
The DM, as such, is likely to be playing pretty high, particularly if the defence is up high - so they’ll be looking to cut off passing lanes and then either retaining/recycling possession until we re-set or getting the ball into the forwards / attacking mids quickly.
In that case, I think the DM position is more about reading the game and anticipation.
I agree it can look a bit like a floaty mess - but that’s when the forward press isn’t working - if the opposition has time to play out or through us - we’ll get smashed.
We’ll play more like City - more runners looking for and creating space, more possession, more control - but more geared towards moving the ball rapidly and long if we have to.
If it all works, great - Trent is unique, no one can do what he does from RB. Slobbers & Mac A look like pressing machines. A fit Jota will be immense.
The one issue I have is Mo - because it looks like we’re moving away from him being the main goal scorer - he looks like he’s back to staying out wider. Now that may be due to him playing with Nunez and that will change if Gakpo plays through the middle - which will also help out the midfield in cutting off passing channels.
That free role that allows him to drift centrally or stay out wide must be a nightmare to mark - wouldn't he be creating overloads wherever he goes - you couldn’t stick a man on him because he’s either deep or wide and do teams mark zonally like that in midfield - either way he’ll be creating space for someone else to exploit.
The DM, as such, is likely to be playing pretty high, particularly if the defence is up high - so they’ll be looking to cut off passing lanes and then either retaining/recycling possession until we re-set or getting the ball into the forwards / attacking mids quickly.
In that case, I think the DM position is more about reading the game and anticipation.
I agree it can look a bit like a floaty mess - but that’s when the forward press isn’t working - if the opposition has time to play out or through us - we’ll get smashed.
We’ll play more like City - more runners looking for and creating space, more possession, more control - but more geared towards moving the ball rapidly and long if we have to.
If it all works, great - Trent is unique, no one can do what he does from RB. Slobbers & Mac A look like pressing machines. A fit Jota will be immense.
The one issue I have is Mo - because it looks like we’re moving away from him being the main goal scorer - he looks like he’s back to staying out wider. Now that may be due to him playing with Nunez and that will change if Gakpo plays through the middle - which will also help out the midfield in cutting off passing channels.
I'm worried Trent has become too difficult of a puzzle for Klopp to figure out based on evidence. We've bought players who excel in the position he would be the most effective in, imo.
I know Trent is not perfect in that area because he loses the ball a bit too often but giving him a starting position in the defensive 3rd seems criminal. He causes so many holes and drops intensity too often for it. Also, who wouldn't want him taking 4+ shots a game and threading through balls... We should be a very entertaining side again.... But not a winning machine as the balance is just off. I'd have though Macca, a DM, a RB and a CB would have made a perfect summer before the exits. Now we have no specialised DMs and have just proven something that was already pretty obvious about Trent... He is not a DM.
I know Trent is not perfect in that area because he loses the ball a bit too often but giving him a starting position in the defensive 3rd seems criminal. He causes so many holes and drops intensity too often for it. Also, who wouldn't want him taking 4+ shots a game and threading through balls... We should be a very entertaining side again.... But not a winning machine as the balance is just off. I'd have though Macca, a DM, a RB and a CB would have made a perfect summer before the exits. Now we have no specialised DMs and have just proven something that was already pretty obvious about Trent... He is not a DM.
Dunno. We could just sort out the midfield / CB position and go back to what's worked so well up until recently.
True that. Jones seems more aware of what is around him more than Alexander Arnold who can switch off.
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