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Tomkins on Ralf Rangnick - long read but interesting

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Former Hoffenheim coach Ralf Rangnick would relish the chance to manage a Premier League club, according to his agent Oliver Mintzlaff.

The 52-year-old has been linked with replacing Roy Hodgson at Liverpool after leaving the Bundesliga club on New Year's Day, and Mintzlaff has admitted that his client would jump at the chance to further his career in England.

"Ralf Rangnick is very interested in the Premier League and Liverpool is certainly a very interesting club with a great tradition," he said.

"Ralf is a great fan of English football and he has followed it a great deal.

"The English Premier League is something which interests him very much, but there have not been any discussions with Liverpool."

Rangnick left Hoffenheim after four and a half years in charge at the turn of the year due to a difference of opinion with the club's owner Dietmar Hopp.

Hopp, one of the richest men in Germany, appointed the former Stuttgart, Hannover and Schalke coach in 2006 to realise his personal ambitions of turning Hoffenheim into a Bundesliga club within five years.

Rangnick, who had shown his pedigree in the late 1990s by helping to lead Ulm from the third division into the top flight in successive seasons, repeated that feat with Hoffenheim and even took them to the top of the Bundesliga at the midway stage of their maiden season among Germany's elite.

They eventually ended that year in seventh and finished 11th last season.

Rangnick's aim for this year was to lead the club into Europe for the first time, but when one of his key players, Luiz Gustavo, was sold to Bayern Munich against his will and he quickly realised that his objectives were no longer correlating with Hopp's.

"Of course if you don't have any ambition, then you cannot be a football manager," added Mintzlaff.

"Hoffenheim was an exciting, unique project and he led them into the Bundesliga in only two years, and they were never even close to a relegation berth.

"Now, in the third year in the Bundesliga, it is only understandable that he has the ambition to play in Europe.

"Unfortunately, his aims and those of Hopp were not entirely compatible."

Rangnick therefore realised that his dream of managing once again in the Champions League, where he had a brief experience in charge of Schalke in 2005, was unlikely to be fulfilled with Hoffenheim.

He is now waiting for the opportunity to lead a club that shares his own aspirations of competing at the very top.

"After four and a half years (with Hoffenheim), it is only normal that he takes a short pause to catch his breath," added Mintzlaff.

"But he is, of course, really burning to get a new job."

A call from England would be a preference, and the language would not be an issue.

After completing his A-Levels in Germany, Rangnick spent a semester studying at the University of Sussex in Brighton and graduated with a degree in English and Sports Studies at Stuttgart University in 1985.

"Of course he speaks English fluently," confirmed Mintzlaff. "That would not be a problem."
 
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If Tompkins is in contact with Henry, I wonder if he suggests things to him like, 'Put the feelers out with a pro-Ralf Rangnick article, lets see how the fans would feel about this guy'.

Who knows.

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I shouldn't think Tomkins would need to suggest it, especially if NESV mean what they say about the fans being central to their strategy.
 
Yeah, I can just see Henry and Cliff Huxtable asking fucking Bumpkins to put his malformed feelers out, so that he can report back to them (in a totally unbiased fashion) about what various rabid fan forums think about various managerial targets.

I should imagine they're asking him to compile a dossier of sorts, given that his amateur, laughably one-eyed opinion IS OF NO FUCKING VALUE WHATSOEVER.

Fucking hilarious
 
If it stops him churning out rubbish statistical analysis then I'm okay with them engaging him to do that
 
each to their own but I enjoy reading detailed analysis over 'we're shit', or 'he's shite'. yes, ultimately it can be broken down to that but I want to see that breakdown.
 
Rangnick is exactly what NESV want.. a manager who has proven an ability to buy young stars and get them to the top of the table.

Welcome Ralf!

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A stroppy old cunt who falls out with people, has won fucking nothing in his entire career, and whose last two league finishes were 7th and 11th.

Only a total cunt would want him as LFC manager
 
Those league positions were with Hoffenheim.. It's like slating Holloway's managerial skills because he's managing Blackpool.. His Schalke career was also impressive finishing runner up to Bayern in both the league and German FA Cup..
 
Rangnick would not be the right choice. I still feel our new manager should be a winner. You want someone who actually knows what it feels like to win thropies and knows what it takes.

Deschamps would be the perfect candidate.
 
If you're going to take a big risk on someone who has no real pedigree, then that person has to be a decade younger than Ragnarok.
 
the big question is who is making the decision with regards to the new manager?
it certainly isn't going to be the yanks in isolation, no way will they make that decision with no experience, so who is giving them advice? are they just waiting for the CEO to make that choice? was parry the one who picked out rafa?

hopefully purslow or the players aren't consulted or we may end up with MON or big sam.
 
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It will be the new CEO, Kenny and Comolli I'll reckon.
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maybe a daft question but why can't kenny be CEO?
 
Rangnick would relish Liverpool job

Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:17
Former Hoffenheim coach Ralf Rangnick would relish the chance to manage a Premier League club, although there have not yet been any enquiries from Liverpool, according to his agent Oliver Mintzlaff.

The 52-year-old has been linked with replacing Roy Hodgson at Liverpool after leaving the Bundesliga club on New Year's Day, and Mintzlaff has admitted that his client would jump at the chance to further his career in England.

'Ralf Rangnick is very interested in the Premier League and Liverpool is certainly a very interesting club with a great tradition,' he told Press Association Sport.

'Ralf is a great fan of English football and he has followed it a great deal.

'The English Premier League is something which interests him very much, but there have not been any discussions with Liverpool.'

Rangnick left Hoffenheim after four and a half years in charge at the turn of the year due to a difference of opinion with the club's owner Dietmar Hopp.

Hopp, one of the richest men in Germany, appointed the former Stuttgart, Hannover and Schalke coach in 2006 to realise his personal ambitions of turning Hoffenheim into a Bundesliga club within five years.

Rangnick, who had shown his pedigree in the late 1990s by helping to lead Ulm from the third division into the top flight in successive seasons, repeated that feat with Hoffenheim and even took them to the top of the Bundesliga at the midway stage of their maiden season among Germany's elite.

They eventually ended that year in seventh and finished 11th last season.

Rangnick's aim for this year was to lead the club into Europe for the first time, but when one of his key players, Luiz Gustavo, was sold to Bayern Munich against his will and he quickly realised that his objectives were no longer correlating with Hopp's.

'Of course if you don't have any ambition, then you cannot be a football manager,' added Mintzlaff.

'Hoffenheim was an exciting, unique project and he led them into the Bundesliga in only two years, and they were never even close to a relegation berth.

'Now, in the third year in the Bundesliga, it is only understandable that he has the ambition to play in Europe. Unfortunately, his aims and those of Hopp were not entirely compatible.'

Rangnick therefore realised that his dream of managing once again in the Champions League, where he had a brief experience in charge of Schalke in 2005, was unlikely to be fulfilled with Hoffenheim.

He is now waiting for the opportunity to lead a club that shares his own aspirations of competing at the very top.

'After four and a half years (with Hoffenheim), it is only normal that he takes a short pause to catch his breath,' added Mintzlaff. 'But he is, of course, really burning to get a new job.'

A call from England would be a preference, and the language would not be an issue.

After completing his A-Levels in Germany, Rangnick spent a semester studying at the University of Sussex in Brighton and graduated with a degree in English and Sports Studies at Stuttgart University in 1985.

'Of course he speaks English fluently,' confirmed Mintzlaff. 'That would not be a problem.'
 
Good summary of potential names/ those we've been linked with:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jonathan_wilson/01/04/prospective.liverpoolcoaches/index.html?eref=sircrc

The 52-year-old deserves another chance at a major club, and his principles are not dissimilar to those of Benitez, but there are two major doubts. First, English opposition is far more familiar with pressing than German sides; and second, his success has been in inspiring small sides with no history of success, not in reinspiring a fallen giant.
 
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52 aint no age. And who has experience with lifting fallen giants? I dont know any.... Rijkaard maybe. Del Bosque..
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Agree there's not many, mate, but I think the writer's emphasis was on his success in inspiring small sides (just like...a certain Roy? 😛)
 
The connections that the Americans' new director of football strategy, Damien Comolli, has with continental football have elevated Marseilles' Didier Deschamps, the former Barcelona coach Frank Rikjaard, Porto's Andre Villas-Boas and, in what would be a particularly bold move, Ralph Rangnick, the 52-year-old who recently resigned from Hoffenheim, to the ranks of possible contenders. The latter two are immediately available and with doubts that Rikjaard might be the right candidate, rumour continues to surround Rangnick.

Known in Germany for the offensive 4-3-3 system
that secured successive promotions for Hoffenheim from the third tier to the Bundesliga, "the Professor" – as the technocrat Rangnick is known – also worked as an intern at Arsenal and Arsène Wenger was a major influence. Liverpool's owners see Arsenal as a model club.

Yet the picture of Rangnick's suitability is clouded. He was bankrolled by a wealthy benefactor at Hoffenheim, whose €175m (£147.1m) investment over 10 years included a sizable outlay on players. Some of his scientific methods might appeal to the Liverpool owners and to Comolli, a big fan of German football: the players were encouraged to shoot against specific areas of a large electronic wall and there were elaborate devices to get players passing in triangles. But there are doubts that Rangnick's man-management skills match his ideas as a technocrat.
 
Rangnick, who never won a trophy in Germany, has distanced himself from comments attributed to him suggesting that he wanted the Liverpool job, heightening the sense among some German observers that he might be in contention, as the quotes served only to discredit him. But another consideration is whether the German would be willing to cede control to Comolli, having commanded such power at Hoffenheim. The same goes for Kenny Dalglish who, if he accepted a caretaker-manager's role, may not appreciate a new recruit calling the shots at a club where he is a legend.
 
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[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=43397.msg1243231#msg1243231 date=1294233468]
52 aint no age. And who has experience with lifting fallen giants? I dont know any.... Rijkaard maybe. Del Bosque..
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Agree there's not many, mate, but I think the writer's emphasis was on his success in inspiring small sides (just like...a certain Roy? 😛)
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Hmmm i disagree there. From what I read his strength was in having his team play attractive football in hard working 4-3-3 formation. The similarity with Roy is just that he got results with a minor team (He got results with Schalke too remember). Roy has not developed his style from others than himself, and he dont have any attacking plan according to ex-players. If you are inspirational, as Rangnick seem to be, then it is only good. Roy aint inspirational at all. And the last point is if you manage to get good results with Liverpool with a well developed style and structure I would be very happy!
 
The way I see it Rangnick has had success by playing a type of formation & football that German sides werent familiar with. English sides are.

Also, he's 50 odd, & HAS NEVER WON ANYTHING. That's gotta be key.

If he were 40 I'd get the logic, but this makes no sense. Owen Coyle would be a better appointment cos although he hasnt won anything he's over-achieved with every club he's been at in similar fashion, but is much younger & understands the Premiership.

Not that he'd be my first choice either, but just cos Rangnick is foreign doesnt make him any better than Coyle, in fact, it makes him less appealing.
 
Schalke says it has appointed Ralf Rangnick as its new coach, one day after firing Felix Magath.

Rangnick coached Schalke between September 2004 and December 2005. He also had a successful stint at Hoffenheim before quitting in January.

Schalke says Rangnick's contract will run until the end of the 2013-14 season.

Rangnick inherits a team that is 10th in the Bundesliga but has reached the quarterfinals of the Champions League and the final of the German Cup.

At least one less 'contender'/'pretender' then 😛
 
German football officials and coaches on Friday rallied behind Ralf Rangnick a day after he surprisingly resigned as head coach of Schalke 04 due to exhaustion.

The 53-year-old's unexpected announcement jolted Germany's football world, still sensitive to mental and physical health issues following the 2009 suicide of Germany goalkeeper Robert Enke.

Enke, who was on track to become Germany's first choice for the 2010 World Cup, had been suffering from depression but kept it secret for years for fear of professional repercussions.

He threw himself in front of a speeding train in November 2009.

After four years at Hoffenheim, taking them from the third division to the Bundesliga and then the top of the standings at the halfway mark in 2008, Rangnick left last January and took over at Schalke 04 in March.

"His energy levels are finished," Thorsten Rarreck, Schalke team doctor, told reporters. "A Bayern Munich coach once said: 'Empty bottle, and that is what it is.'


"When he took over here after his Hoffenheim period there was no recovery time for him. He has reached his physical limits but it is a reversible situation. This is a preventive measure."

Rangnick himself said in a brief statement he could not fulfill the club's ambitions in his current state and needed a break after a successful six-month stint in which he led them to the Champions League semi-finals and German Cup victory.

"I have great respect for his decision and the fact that he openly deals with his condition," said German football association (DFB) boss Theo Zwanziger.

"Maybe the situation in this tough business called professional football has changed following the tragic death of Robert Enke.

"Maybe weaknesses and illnesses are tolerated and respected more than they were two years ago. At least that is what I hope."


Germany coach Joachim Loew called it a "show of strength, to publicly admit that the batteries are empty."

His departure from top flight football after admitting to burnout also got the support of his Schalke predecessor Felix Magath.

"This is a personal, courageous and respectful move," Magath said. "I know from personal experience how demanding and burdensome the coaching job can be."

Bayer Leverkusen coach Robin Dutt added: "We all think that football is the most important thing in the world and now we realise that it is not the most important thing.

"We all need to have more respect for each other because in this system everyone puts pressure on everyone.

"Players on coaches, coaches on players, media on players and coaches and fans on players and coaches."

Managers definitely face the most pressure in this 'business'...
 
Rumors are if Kenny doesn't deliver soon, Ralf will be in for kill after charging the batteries (scarpers before inevitable stoning)
 
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Rumors are if Kenny doesn't deliver soon, Ralf will be in for kill after charging the batteries (scarpers before inevitable stoning)
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Just edit yourself so as not to write idle made up bullshit and there would be no need to scarper.
 
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[quote author=localny link=topic=43397.msg1403907#msg1403907 date=1316816223]
Rumors are if Kenny doesn't deliver soon, Ralf will be in for kill after charging the batteries (scarpers before inevitable stoning)
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Just edit yourself so as not to write idle made up bullshit and there would be no need to scarper.
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Just having, what i thought was an obvious larf
 
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