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Dreambeliever has a point.

It doesn't really feel like a 28-pass goal because only the last 2 passes were important to the goal. The rest was the usual "Death by football" we used to see plenty of under Rodgers. Most of these were the back four passing redistributing the ball from left to right. As a goal, it's just a cross and tap in. Not as highlight-worthy as the other goals.

That being said, it's still cool because (1) Teamwork is awesome. It's great to see players trust each other (2) it's always good to out-Arsenal Arsenal and (3) that movement between Lallana and Firmino was AWESOME. That alone made the clip worth watching.

There is no such thing as a 28-pass goal where all the passes are essential to the goal – you only need 4-5 passes at most to get from one end of the pitch to another, any more than that and you're just keeping possession. What's great about this goal though is that in this long period of possession we were always comfortably in control – Arsenal players were unable to trap any of our players in possession before the pass found somebody else.

Sometimes under Rodgers our long possessions would end with us being forced to play the ball back to Mignolet (who would then just boot the ball upfield rendering all that possession meaningless) – this time there were 3 penetrations: one with Wijnaldum on the left early on, then the neat combination with Firmino and Lallana and the third one was the goal. And Arsenal players seemed to tire more from chasing the ball than our players from passing it – that's why when Clyne added that burst of energy down the right his markers were a step slow and nobody followed Coutinho either. It's just demoralizing for any team not to touch the ball for 2 minutes until you pick it up from the net.
 
Yeah, I know what moment you're talking about – I watched it a few more times and it's hard to tell if the Arsenal player touched the ball or not, maybe need a better resolution video. Firmino saw the tackle coming and tried to pass the ball back with his right foot and it's hard to say if it was his pass or the tackle or some combination of both that made the ball go towards Henderson.
Based on the movement of the ball, the Arsenal players leg and the fact Frim's was looking for the ball in front of him before looking back to see where it went strongly indicates he lost the ball
 
I think you've completely missed the point Pat. Individual goals are great and ours were particularly fantastic, but this was a great team goal that deserves it's own merit
My point is that I didn't think it was that great. We just held onto the ball not under much pressure and then it was a relatively simple ball in behind,Clyne whipped it in and Coutinho was completely unmarked. Poor by Arsenal, good by us but not as good as some think, IMO
 
Dreambeliever has a point.

It doesn't really feel like a 28-pass goal because only the last 2 passes were important to the goal. The rest was the usual "Death by football" we used to see plenty of under Rodgers. Most of these were the back four passing redistributing the ball from left to right. As a goal, it's just a cross and tap in. Not as highlight-worthy as the other goals.

That being said, it's still cool because (1) Teamwork is awesome. It's great to see players trust each other (2) it's always good to out-Arsenal Arsenal and (3) that movement between Lallana and Firmino was AWESOME. That alone made the clip worth watching.
Agreed. Like I said it's good to see but really it was the last two passes that made the goal.
 
There is no such thing as a 28-pass goal where all the passes are essential to the goal – you only need 4-5 passes at most to get from one end of the pitch to another, any more than that and you're just keeping possession. What's great about this goal though is that in this long period of possession we were always comfortably in control – Arsenal players were unable to trap any of our players in possession before the pass found somebody else.

Sometimes under Rodgers our long possessions would end with us being forced to play the ball back to Mignolet (who would then just boot the ball upfield rendering all that possession meaningless) – this time there were 3 penetrations: one with Wijnaldum on the left early on, then the neat combination with Firmino and Lallana and the third one was the goal. And Arsenal players seemed to tire more from chasing the ball than our players from passing it – that's why when Clyne added that burst of energy down the right his markers were a step slow and nobody followed Coutinho either. It's just demoralizing for any team not to touch the ball for 2 minutes until you pick it up from the net.

Except they did touch it, quite clearly
 
Agreed. Like I said it's good to see but really it was the last two passes that made the goal.
But you could say that about almost every goal.

I don't really know what else to say to you. It seems like you expect a "team made" goal to have a thrilling fast pace for each pass made. It's a "different" type of goal that deserves a different kind of appreciation. I don't understand why you're comparing to Couthino's first goal. We have a big apples and oranges scenario here.
 
But you could say that about almost every goal.

I don't really know what else to say to you. It seems like you expect a "team made" goal to have a thrilling fast pace for each pass made. It's a "different" type of goal that deserves a different kind of appreciation. I don't understand why you're comparing to Couthino's first goal. We have a big apples and oranges scenario here.
I'm saying it because the OP talks about the build up to the three goal warranting it's own thread. I disagree that it does. I discuss the other goals to show if I was to start a thread on the four goals today that goal wouldn't even be my 2nd choice.
Like I said nice football to see but I never see why 17 standard possession passes and two excellent passes deserve their own thread. It simply wasn't that special.
Anyway it's been done to death so we can agree to move on.
Hopefully we having this debate with new goals every week
 
I'm saying it because the OP talks about the build up to the three goal warranting it's own thread. I disagree that it does. I discuss the other goals to show if I was to start a thread on the four goals today that goal wouldn't even be my 2nd choice.
Like I said nice football to see but I never see why 17 standard possession passes and two excellent passes deserve their own thread. It simply wasn't that special.
Anyway it's been done to death so we can agree to move on.
Hopefully we having this debate with new goals every week

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This thread is a fantastic example of why numbers kill the joy of a thing.

We had the ball long enough for their supporters to become obviously frustrated, for it to sound like we were the home side, for them to muster some feeble response in an attempt to will their players to break our incisive and confident possession and for me to write a run on sentence. Then, just as we're on a new song, in the second verse, AS we're singing "poetry in motion" have a guess what's happening.

It was a fantastic goal. There will be utterly shit teams that have odd brilliant individual goals this season, rivaling Coutinho or Mane, but very few abjectly shit teams will score a goal after that sort of build up. And yea, teams have been playing football well for years. Arsenal didn't invent being good, they didn't even invent inventing being good, they just brought that smug shit to London, when their football was both attractive and effective with consistency, those many years ago. Hopefully we'll start scoring goals with toe pokes, and Dreamy will be in a position to remind us of our history again. It'll mean we're continuing to score goals.
 
This thread is a fantastic example of why numbers kill the joy of a thing.

We had the ball long enough for their supporters to become obviously frustrated, for it to sound like we were the home side, for them to muster some feeble response in an attempt to will their players to break our incisive and confident possession and for me to write a run on sentence. Then, just as we're on a new song, in the second verse, AS we're singing "poetry in motion" have a guess what's happening.

It was a fantastic goal. There will be utterly shit teams that have odd brilliant individual goals this season, rivaling Coutinho or Mane, but very few abjectly shit teams will score a goal after that sort of build up. And yea, teams have been playing football well for years. Arsenal didn't invent being good, they didn't even invent inventing being good, they just brought that smug shit to London, when their football was both attractive and effective with consistency, those many years ago. Hopefully we'll start scoring goals with toe pokes, and Dreamy will be in a position to remind us of our history again. It'll mean we're continuing to score goals.

I have no idea what you said, but you said it so poetically that it definitely deserves a "Like".
 
Agreed. Like I said it's good to see but really it was the last two passes that made the goal.
You don't see how our possession over that period of time allowed for the final move to happen the way it did? Can players simply press their reset button and suddenly regain focus, energy and cohesion?
Do you think Barcelona at their best put together 100 passes of pure incisiveness before scoring? Or do they keep possession, make their opponents chase the ball, tire them, disorientate them and then put the killer move in at the end?
 
Yes, that free kick was technically perfect and I doubt more than a handful of players in the league could do it.

And Mane's reminded me of Saurez and made me jump off the couch so gets the nod.

It's subjective so there isn't a right or wrong answer here/

No no no, there is. And it isn't the one you're promulgating. Just to be even more clear here - you're nowhere near intelligent enough to be subjective.

Whilst the other two goals might have had more visual appeal to you, because you're a fucking simpleton - that doesn't mean they were better. They just appeal to you in the same way that when I make a fucking finger puppet shadow on the wall, my 17 month old daughter pisses herself laughing.

No one thinks Coutinho's goal was a better goal than that third goal, because a) the combination, intricacies, nuances, and ability to operate continually, consistently at pace - executed perfectly against an opposition that can move forward and try to prevent you for 2 fucking minutes as opposed to a statutory wall and a goalkeeper cannot even be fucking compared, and b) because it fucking wasn't.

Stop arguing this. You're not correct, it's not subjective, and you haven't the aptitude to do this even if you were fucking correct.

Stop.

Don't even fucking hit reply Dreamy.

Sit.

Good boy.

Here's a biscuit.
 
No no no, there is. And it isn't the one you're promulgating. Just to be even more clear here - you're nowhere near intelligent enough to be subjective.

Whilst the other two goals might have had more visual appeal to you, because you're a fucking simpleton - that doesn't mean they were better. They just appeal to you in the same way that when I make a fucking finger puppet shadow on the wall, my 17 month old daughter pisses herself laughing.

No one thinks Coutinho's goal was a better goal than that third goal, because a) the combination, intricacies, nuances, and ability to operate continually, consistently at pace - executed perfectly against an opposition that can move forward and try to prevent you for 2 fucking minutes as opposed to a statutory wall and a goalkeeper cannot even be fucking compared, and b) because it fucking wasn't.

Stop arguing this. You're not correct, it's not subjective, and you haven't the aptitude to do this even if you were fucking correct.

Stop.

Don't even fucking hit reply Dreamy.

Sit.

Good boy.

Here's a biscuit.

Intelligence or lack thereof has nothing to do with subjectivity, as I'm sure you are well aware.

It's laughable how worked up you get, even more so when you are completely wrong at the same time.

Oh and in case you want to come back with some other rubbish here's the Oxford dictionary's take on subjective

Subjective

Adjective

Based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions: his views are highly subjective

Go eat your own biscuit and practice some puppet shadows for your daughter, good lad.
 
I'm not taking sides here or anything, but your use of italics on the last line has me genuinely confused.
 
I'm not taking sides or anything either but you guys are the best - the longest running bromance in SCM history.

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In my eyes a team goal such as that is equal if not better than any individual skill

The trouble is nowadays a lot of teams dont actually play as teams but more a collective of skilled players.... theyve forgotten how to play 1 touch football with proactive movement off the ball. Its all kick and rush now or dribble etc....

I miss the old Pass and Move (is the Liverpool groove)
 
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