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We play the kids when we have good players alongside them or when the result is already reasonably safe (say 2-0 up at the 60th minute, no one would complain if he brought some kids on)

Surely that's safer than just playing the kids out of desperation because the senior players arent very good, mate.

Do you seriously mean to say that you'd have preferred playing the kids and losing 1-0 as opposed to not playing them and getting a nil-nil?

You've spoken of some great away wins there; but can you remember one game against Benfica away where we lost and so many were still thinking we'd turn them over at Anfield?

I can remember what happened, though I try not to.
 
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If we had lost 1-0 it still would not have been a bad result.
If we can't beat SP at home , we don't deserve to be in it anyway.


regards
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I normally wouldn't mind a goalless draw away from home in Europe. Against Barca.

Against Prague or Brøndby or AEK Athens I'd expect Liverpool to go all out for the kill. We should be a far superior team to Prague, especially at this stage in time with them coming back from a 3 month spell without competitive mathces, but we didn't show that at all last night. I blame the players and I blame the approach from the manager as well.

I love Kenny to bits but last night wasn't one of his proudest moments.
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You have not really seen much of us over the years have you KHL?

regards
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I don't know whether that is supposed to be tongue in cheek mate but if you'd dare ask my better half back home about that she'd laugh her tits off as I'm only rarely missing anything even the slightest Liverpool-related.

On second thought please don't ask her.
 
I don't know if you're aware of this Spion but 0-0 means that we have to win at Anfield.
Any draw except 0-0 will mean that we're knocked out.
So they probably will put 10 behind the ball and try and defend it.

We didn't blood kids because we were playing in the CL against tougher opposition and in the group phase away points are important.

I'm glad that Wilson played but he's a Scottish international and reigning young player of the year in the SPL so he's got a lot more experience than Coady and the rest.

This isn't "football manager" but I still doubt that Pacheco would be any worse than Maxi.
 
The best approach in the first tie away from home in a cup-competition where away goals counts more is to score at least one goal.

At least that's what I would've thought.

A 1-0 loss isn't the worst result as you are still asked to score goals at home whilst trying to prevent the visitors to do so as well as when you travel home with a scoreless draw.

0 shots on target is not 'professional', 'job done'-material in my opinion. That's toothless and dire football no matter how you address it.

At least that's what I would've thought.
 
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We play the kids when we have good players alongside them or when the result is already reasonably safe (say 2-0 up at the 60th minute, no one would complain if he brought some kids on)

Surely that's safer than just playing the kids out of desperation because the senior players arent very good, mate.

Do you seriously mean to say that you'd have preferred playing the kids and losing 1-0 as opposed to not playing them and getting a nil-nil?

You've spoken of some great away wins there; but can you remember one game against Benfica away where we lost and so many were still thinking we'd turn them over at Anfield?

I can remember what happened, though I try not to.
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Avvy I'm not having a go at you or anything but come on it's Sparta Prague with 37 year old Repka at the back. Not Benfica with Luisao, Simao, Nuno Gomez and Miccoli.
Of course we're not the same as we were a couple of years ago either but we are one of the biggest clubs in Europe still and our "squad players" should be able to beat Sparta.
 
It was dire, no one's going to say it was a good game.

Where they're disagreeing is with the idea that it'd have been any different with Raheeeemmmm and Co.

It might have been, but it wouldnt have been safe.

Though I do suspect that if the quality of the team doesnt improve by next Thursday, you and Modo are going to get your wish.
 
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It was dire, no one's going to say it was a good game.

Where they're disagreeing is with the idea that it'd have been any different with Raheeeemmmm and Co.

It might have been, but it wouldnt have been safe.

Though I do suspect that if the quality of the team doesnt improve by next Thursday, you and Modo are going to get your wish.
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For me it's not only about personel mind just as much about overall approach.

Look it's one game and I'm probably over-reacting a bit here all I'm saying is nothing from last night was worth the while and the worst part of it all, it was bleedingly obvious from the first moment the team-sheet was released.

That really bugged me.
 
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[quote author=Avvy link=topic=44266.msg1287501#msg1287501 date=1298036117]
It was dire, no one's going to say it was a good game.

Where they're disagreeing is with the idea that it'd have been any different with Raheeeemmmm and Co.

It might have been, but it wouldnt have been safe.

Though I do suspect that if the quality of the team doesnt improve by next Thursday, you and Modo are going to get your wish.
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For me it's not only about personel mind just as much about overall approach.

Look it's one game and I'm probably over-reacting a bit here all I'm saying is nothing from last night was worth the while and the worst part of it all, it was bleedingly obvious from the first moment the team-sheet was released.

That really bugged me.
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I agree.
 
So granted that you'd have been happy with a 0-1 defeat with the kids, what would have been your team selection?
 
Modo - before we managed those results (with stronger first elevens), we had to endure at least a couple of away performances like last nights one. People have short memories and unrealistic expectations.
 
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Modo - before we managed those results (with stronger first elevens), we had to endure at least a couple of away performances like last nights one. People have short memories and unrealistic expectations.
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It's no way unrealsitic to expect Liverpool FC to beat Sparta Prague even at their ground Mark.

And my memory is fine why I positively know that last nights game was one of the most dire I've seen in years.

0 shots on target kind of backs this feeling up i would've thought.
 
Kris, we all know we can beat them, there has to be some measure of knowing when in the season we can ease up on the squad and enter games knowing the likely outcome will be a tight result without having to exert ourselves. Its boring but its a means to an end.

Its not football manager. Yeah, with a bit more intent we might have won, but when we do them next week, no one will give a shit about this result.
 
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44266.msg1287528#msg1287528 date=1298038024]
Modo - before we managed those results (with stronger first elevens), we had to endure at least a couple of away performances like last nights one. People have short memories and unrealistic expectations.
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It's no way unrealsitic to expect Liverpool FC to beat Sparta Prague even at their ground Mark.

And my memory is fine why I positively know that last nights game was one of the most dire I've seen in years.

0 shots on target kind of backs this feeling up i would've thought.
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Since our glory days in fact, when we played the game exactly like this away from home in Europe ALL the time. Mark is absolutely right about those short memories.
 
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44266.msg1287402#msg1287402 date=1298026860]
If we had lost 1-0 it still would not have been a bad result.
If we can't beat SP at home , we don't deserve to be in it anyway.


regards
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I normally wouldn't mind a goalless draw away from home in Europe. Against Barca.

Against Prague or Brøndby or AEK Athens I'd expect Liverpool to go all out for the kill. We should be a far superior team to Prague, especially at this stage in time with them coming back from a 3 month spell without competitive mathces, but we didn't show that at all last night. I blame the players and I blame the approach from the manager as well.

I love Kenny to bits but last night wasn't one of his proudest moments.
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You have not really seen much of us over the years have you KHL?

regards
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I don't know whether that is supposed to be tongue in cheek mate but if you'd dare ask my better half back home about that she'd laugh her tits off as I'm only rarely missing anything even the slightest Liverpool-related.

On second thought please don't ask her.
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In which case you would know there was nothing unusual about the game, or particularly poor about the result, when we visit Eastern Europe, with an under-strength side be it , be that intentional or forced.

Stop going on about the manner in which we did it, yes it was a shite match, but we will go through with that game as the foundation.
It might yet also be an equally shite match at home, that I have just had the money taken out of my account for , but of we progress that night, I will be quite happy despite it costing me £35 and having to get to the ground at a ludicrous time.
Ask any Liverpool supporter if it's the winning or the style that counts.........well you know the answer.

I do not intend getting into a protracted debate with you over the matter , as I have witnessed your capacity for drawing arguments out and wearing people down in other threads, usually about Scandinavian, in particular Danish footballers *winky smiley thingy*

regards
 
Doesn't really matter what's said at the end of the day because the result stands.

However this was a missed opportunity for us to show progress and continue some winning momentum. We should have went there with intent. The squad that went over had the ability to win.

Sparta Prague are nothing special and should have been dispatched. They're not 300 Spartans!
 
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That's true enough, it's an admirable trait really.

You're going for the Prague game, Vladders?


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Yes Avvy I am in the AutoCup scheme on my season ticket

regards
 
Maybe so as it is such a daft time, might have to get there early to avoid match and rush hour traffic, it's going to be a mare from 4.00 onwards

regards
 
When I was in Liverpool last weekend, the taxi driver told me he was traveling to Prague...
I feel for him
 
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When I was in Liverpool last weekend, the taxi driver told me he was traveling to Prague...
I feel for him
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I didn't know you were in Liverpool last weekend Swiss Tony

regards
 
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Swiss Tony should have come to the King Harry and bought me a lager
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I had to meet my mate at the Stadium pub for tickets...never been to King Harry I think
 
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Cheers Tony, maybe another time 8)
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I actually thought of you guys and tried to see if I could spot the King Harry pub on my way to stadium.

Ive been to Albert, Sandon, Stadium and others but not King Harry, where is it exactly?
 
Chaps, when we ruled the world, our away performances used to make even the most ardent of fans want to pull their own eyes out...

Clemence. Neal. Hansen. Back to Clemence. Out to Hansen. Back to Clemence. Neal. Hansen. Neal. Clemence. Our away performances were probably 90% of the reason that the back pass rule was introduced.

Also, anybody who remembers Kenny's first reign should not be surprosed that he fielded a team to just do a job, not to wow us with style - He's always been a manager who will build a formation to acomplish a task, especially away from home, and 'double-especially' when his resources were limited... When he was no longer able to unleash Barnes, Beardsley and all the rest of that great team in their prime on the opposition, he'd play for a boring, counter-attacking smash and grab, often playing players out of position as well.

These two factors mean that nobody above the age of 30 odd should be surprised by yestreday's match.
 
Europe is different now though. Getting a scoreless draw away from home is not necessarily a great result due to away goals. Similarly draws away from home are fairly useless in the premiership as well.
 
It's better than a loss, Ali - And Kenny isn't blessed with a team of world beaters that can throttle anybody, anywhere...

Had he fielded the kids, and gone and attacked, and lost 3-0, we'd be out of the only trophy that we still have a shot at, and he'd be getting crucified by all and sundry.
 
This is a classic case of "If only so-and-so that didn't play had played we'd have won" itis.
 
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Europe is different now though. Getting a scoreless draw away from home is not necessarily a great result due to away goals. Similarly draws away from home are fairly useless in the premiership as well.
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A
Eh? The away goal rule has been a part of European football as far as I can remember Farky.
As Sammy Lee just said to me , we built our reputation on grinding out away results like that.

regards

Yeah yeah I am a big name dropper
 
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