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[Modo]

Seriously, one of them has to go.



We can't have two players upfront who clearly dislike each other.
If you don't think they do then I'm not sure what you're watching. Every game there's at least few situations where one is completely open but he doesn't pass to the other.

I'm on team Mané because he actually seems like a nice guy and is well liked by the others in squad. I'm not too sure about Salah.

 

[Shay_K]

I think Salah has already decided that he's is going in June or very soon thereafter, so the argument is moot. The only outstanding issues are how much is the sale and how much is spent boosting the squad. ......................and hopefully Couthino/VVD+Alisson or Keegan/Daglish style. But Mane would always be my choice.

 

[bluebell]

Seriously, one of them has to go.



We can't have two players upfront who clearly dislike each other.
If you don't think they do then I'm not sure what you're watching. Every game there's at least few situations where one is completely open but he doesn't pass to the other.

I'm on team Mané because he actually seems like a nice guy and is well liked by the others in squad. I'm not too sure about Salah.

"Klopp ain't a serial winner" GTFO

So the muppets would have sold one of either Mane or Salah on the back of a Championship winning season? Or would have sold one of them in Jan when no club was going to pay big money. Yes, come summer let's look at option but bitchy winey posts at this stage of the season when we don't have good alternatives is stupid.
Summer, lets have a look at who needs to go, and if Salah wants to leave then lets see how many clubs will pay the £120m fee to get him?

 

[davud graham]

If Salah or Mane aren't passing to each other purposely then Firmino must dislike them both as he's been the poorest of the three.
Salah is selfish there's no doubt about that but he backs it up with goals and even in this clusterfuck of a season he's still scored plenty of goals. Mane hasn't looked right all season even though he still works hard but most of the time he's been pretty poor and hasn't scored many goals.
Bobby's decline has carried on from last season and his influence on the team has waned which has affected the team enormously.
The choice of which one or even two of them leaves depends on whether we want to keep the best or sell the most valuable and that will tell us a lot about the owners too.

 

[Glen C]

Seriously, one of them has to go.



We can't have two players upfront who clearly dislike each other.
If you don't think they do then I'm not sure what you're watching. Every game there's at least few situations where one is completely open but he doesn't pass to the other.

I'm on team Mané because he actually seems like a nice guy and is well liked by the others in squad. I'm not too sure about Salah.

Worked for cole and sheringham. You don't have to like each other to play together. No one complained about their dislike for each other last season when we were winning game after game. You're reading too much into it IMO.

 

[Modo]

If Salah or Mane aren't passing to each other purposely then Firmino must dislike them both as he's been the poorest of the three.
Salah is selfish there's no doubt about that but he backs it up with goals and even in this clusterfuck of a season he's still scored plenty of goals. Mane hasn't looked right all season even though he still works hard but most of the time he's been pretty poor and hasn't scored many goals.
Bobby's decline has carried on from last season and his influence on the team has waned which has affected the team enormously.
The choice of which one or even two of them leaves depends on whether we want to keep the best or sell the most valuable and that will tell us a lot about the owners too.

Just look at Jota. Why are we suddenly scoring goals again? Because the mf passes the ball

 

[Modo]

Worked for cole and sheringham. You don't have to like each other to play together. No one complained about their dislike for each other last season when we were winning game after game. You're reading too much into it IMO.

No of course not, but I guess they still passed the ball to each other.



Look at the second video with Rio and VP

 

[Hansern]

Pretty poor thread in all honesty. Look at the interplay between the two in our last games.
And we’ve scored the most goals of everyone around these last 3 seasons, which kinda pisses on your «point».

 

[davud graham]

Just look at Jota. Why are we suddenly scoring goals again? Because the mf passes the ball

The wolves keeper fucked up and should have saved Jota's shot so I don't think him scoring proves that much really but his enthusiasm and freshness certainly helps. Also he probably hasn't had as many occasions of not been passed to by either Salah or Mane to be pissed off at either if them yet.

 

[rurikbird]

No of course not, but I guess they still passed the ball to each other.



Look at the second video with Rio and VP

We’ll probably never know about Salah and Mane (at least not until the autobiographies come out), but that video with RVP is insightful - I can see how this message, when delivered with such brutal clarity, can have an impact. And I’m not sure Klopp can quite tell the same to Mane or to Salah.

And I agree with @Modo’s point about Jota - I noticed it too.

 

[Modo]

Pretty poor thread in all honesty. Look at the interplay between the two in our last games.
And we’ve scored the most goals of everyone around these last 3 seasons, which kinda pisses on your «point».

What interplay? The only interplay between the two that resulted in a goal went through Jota.
Neither Salah nor Mane would have passed it if they were in Jota's position before the first goal against Leipzig. Not a chance.

 

[Whaddapie]

What interplay? The only interplay between the two that resulted in a goal went through Jota.
Neither Salah nor Mane would have passed it if they were in Jota's position before the first goal against Leipzig. Not a chance.

Not true, mate. You've chosen a poor game t try to highlight your point... In this Wolves match, they actually seemed to be trying to find each other far more than I've been used to seeing for the last while. I don't disagree with your overall point (that they don't like each other - They both look unhappy celebrating the others' goals - but this match was better than normal.

 

[Modo]

Not true, mate. You've chosen a poor game t try to highlight your point... In this Wolves match, they actually seemed to be trying to find each other far more than I've been used to seeing for the last while. I don't disagree with your overall point (that they don't like each other - They both look unhappy celebrating the others' goals - but this match was better than normal.

That's fair, but like you said, they don't like each other and I think it's affecting the team

 

[Whaddapie]

That's fair, but like you said, they don't like each other and I think it's affecting the team

You're not wrong on that, in my opinion. When we were scoring 3 and 4 goals it was still obvious but it didn't matter... Now it does.

 

[Raz]

Seriously, one of them has to go.



We can't have two players upfront who clearly dislike each other.
If you don't think they do then I'm not sure what you're watching. Every game there's at least few situations where one is completely open but he doesn't pass to the other.

I'm on team Mané because he actually seems like a nice guy and is well liked by the others in squad. I'm not too sure about Salah.

It’s as clear as day there is something going on between them and has been for a long time. It’s been mentioned by ex pros, pundits etc etc on a regular basis. I personally think it’s Mane rather than Salah but it can’t continue. I would keep Salah ahead of Mane but it looks like the opposite will be what summer brings.

 

[Hansern]

So its now a problem on the pitch after we’ve won the CL, PL and the World Club championship?
Wheter or not they like eachother outside of the footballing relationship side of things doesnt really matter either imho. People are different.

 

[Squiggles]

This is really taking it all out of context, though.

Firstly we know Salah has a fanatical following, who will follow him onto his next club. So any time he's not passed to will get wildly overstated. We're seeing that here

Secondly, Mane is desperate for a goal. He's got tunnel vision. It happens.

I don't think we can automatically conclude their personal relationship is affecting their performances and decisions. Not saying it isn't a factor, but there's other considerations here, and there's certainly no need to force one of the club. It's a typical situation that needs to be managed.

 

[rubans]

Seriously, one of them has to go.



We can't have two players upfront who clearly dislike each other.
If you don't think they do then I'm not sure what you're watching. Every game there's at least few situations where one is completely open but he doesn't pass to the other.

I'm on team Mané because he actually seems like a nice guy and is well liked by the others in squad. I'm not too sure about Salah.

Yes we know you are on team Mane and make a thread every few months regarding so dude 🙂
But seriously speaking, Salah has always been selfish from day one and hadn’t been an issue over the last 4yrs but Mane’s selfishness was apparent last game. He’s been shocking for last 4 months, he had number of chances to play a player in, the chance at 106th min would been indefensible if Wolves had got a point after losing the ball at the other end and Klopp needs to have a word with Mane.
Last time we had a discussion about both was after the palace game when Mane acted like a child for being subsitiuted and Salah moaned like a brat for not getting captaincy in CL. I hope we don’t have same issue this time out as it soon followed by our form 😉

 

[Modo]

Yes we know you are on team Mane and make a thread every few months regarding so dude 🙂
But seriously speaking, Salah has always been selfish from day one and hadn’t been an issue over the last 4yrs but Mane’s selfishness was apparent last game. He’s been shocking for last 4 months, he had number of chances to play a player in, the chance at 106th min would been indefensible if Wolves had got a point after losing the ball at the other end and Klopp needs to have a word with Mane.
Last time we had a discussion about both was after the palace game when Mane acted like a child for being subsitiuted and Salah moaned like a brat for not getting captaincy in CL. I hope we don’t have same issue this time out as it soon followed by our form 😉

Well I have to keep reminding everyone [emoji6]. Also, our next fixture is in 3 weeks, this forum needs some "click baity" stuff.
You ain't seen nothing yet. Next week's topics are "Henderson is shit and old" and "Carra was overrated".

 

[keniget]

I've no idea what goes on behind closed doors and way past caring enough to try and read signs into social media posts, body language or anything else.

Without wishing to bang the same drum in every thread every time I post... but... squads need new blood.

Everyone in this team is faaaaaaaaar too comfortable whether it's in the knowledge that a first team spot is theirs no matter what or that they can just turn up not having to worry about actually playing unless it's a cup game or Klopp is absolutely beyond desparate.

It doesn't matter if Mane isn't scoring, Salah doesn't pass, Firmino is invisible for 3 games straight, TAA is playing like he's mentally on holiday or Robertson looks like he's about to collapse in a heap - there is pretty much no-one waiting to take their place.

 

[peekay]

That Athletic article which stated that relationship between Mane and Salah are not perfect and Salah's agent is a pain to deal with felt like a briefing from the club. Of course, they also stated how nice Mo is, his popularity with the staff and players to balance it out. But it did feel like the start of the FSG strategy to prepare the fans for a sale. They are well known for leaking inside information before a sale, transfer, firing in the baseball world.

 

[moron]

I am actually glad that someone has initiated this thread, you all ask the question why we are not scoring - why the front is not firing, and everyone and anyone who watches LFC will know that the timing and decision making have been the problems. It got worse after the Crystal Palace match right ? - you know what happened in that game ? - Mane got taken off against his wish where he thought he could score more goals. I think despite being a more productive and stronger forward - he actually thinks he is as good goal-scorer as Salah is - but unfortunately he is not. Yes in one season he got the joint golden boot, but we know Salah is greedy but he also has the numbers to back him up. I think there is a complete disconnect from those two - and it has cost us games, that vid posted at the start of this thread has been repeated many many times in different games. The resentment now runs both ways - and at this moment Mane is not capable of scoring the types of goals he was able to do previously - his decision making at the end of that Wolves game was like that of a mad man. I don't think we can underestimate Jota's goals this season - they have been crucial, and he at least has some sense in him to see the bigger picture for the team.

Part of me also thinks that the issue between Mane, and Salah is that one wants to prove he is better than the other this season - with the end goal being sold to Real Madrid at the end. These two need to be separated once this season is over. I don't give shit if its speculative bullshit - but the point is that most LFC fans and pundits are noticing this by watching - and I don't believe the majority can be wrong on this.

 

[Halmeister]

What a smelly thread

 

[Shay_K]

Well I have to keep reminding everyone [emoji6]. Also, the our next fixture is in 3 weeks, this forum needs some "click baity" stuff.
You ain't seen nothing yet. Next week's topics are "Henderson is shit and old" and "Carra was overrated".

Don't forget the all important 2nd choice goal keeper debate or possibly, There can only be one; Netflix or Amazon Prime debate.

 

[rubans]

I am actually glad that someone has initiated this thread, you all ask the question why we are not scoring - why the front is not firing, and everyone and anyone who watches LFC will know that the timing and decision making have been the problems. It got worse after the Crystal Palace match right ? - you know what happened in that game ? - Mane got taken off against his wish where he thought he could score more goals. I think despite being a more productive and stronger forward - he actually thinks he is as good goal-scorer as Salah is - but unfortunately he is not. Yes in one season he got the joint golden boot, but we know Salah is greedy but he also has the numbers to back him up. I think there is a complete disconnect from those two - and it has cost us games, that vid posted at the start of this thread has been repeated many many times in different games. The resentment now runs both ways - and at this moment Mane is not capable of scoring the types of goals he was able to do previously - his decision making at the end of that Wolves game was like that of a mad man. I don't think we can underestimate Jota's goals this season - they have been crucial, and he at least has some sense in him to see the bigger picture for the team.

Part of me also thinks that the issue between Mane, and Salah is that one wants to prove he is better than the other this season - with the end goal being sold to Real Madrid at the end. These two need to be separated once this season is over. I don't give shit if its speculative bullshit - but the point is that most LFC fans and pundits are noticing this by watching - and I don't believe the majority can be wrong on this.

It's not Mane's decision to stay on. He scored 2 goals and Klopp decided to rest him, well with in his right and at the time was the right call. We were 3-0 up and had a massive period of games.
When either behave like that, it does undermine at times the ethos behind team a little as others don't do the same but when we are doing well, it's not a big deal but just looks worse when the results drop off as they did but that wasn't down the forwards alone for obvious reasons. I don't think for a number of reasons the need to separated as in one sold and not sure where you are getting majority from but not the general feel with other LFC fans I know, I don't see how it can be done without FSG spending more than they take in and don't see that happening. Better option would be to buy another quality forward whos under 24 and ease him into the side.

 

[Modo]

An oldie but goodie...he knows what's up.

 

[RedStar]

Allowing for attitude, resale value and how much they have left in the tank which player would people rather see go in the summer. I'm a huge Mané fan, he's probably my favorite player in this team but it feels like he's hit a wall this season where as Mo just keeps producing. If you had to pick one of them to score 20 league goals next season its Salah. I think it's tempting to cash in on Salah because hes a bit stroppy and he's probably the more valuable in the market but it would be a huge gamble to sell him and hope Mané can just click into top form again because he has a different strike partner.

 

[Frogfish]

I've no idea what goes on behind closed doors and way past caring enough to try and read signs into social media posts, body language or anything else.

Without wishing to bang the same drum in every thread every time I post... but... squads need new blood.

Everyone in this team is faaaaaaaaar too comfortable whether it's in the knowledge that a first team spot is theirs no matter what or that they can just turn up not having to worry about actually playing unless it's a cup game or Klopp is absolutely beyond desparate.

It doesn't matter if Mane isn't scoring, Salah doesn't pass, Firmino is invisible for 3 games straight, TAA is playing like he's mentally on holiday or Robertson looks like he's about to collapse in a heap - there is pretty much no-one waiting to take their place.

You're not wrong but the club, having been MIA in 19/20, were back on track in 20/21.

Forwards competition : Jota
Midfield competition : Thiago plus Ox, Shaq. & Keita returning after missing most of the previous season and Jones' emergence. I don't think it is reasonable to expect cover here.
CBs : WTF were they thinking (Klopp has said he wanted a CB but FSG didn't go for it) however at least this January Kabak arrived and Phillips can cover.
LB : a bit unlucky with Tsimikas' injury and maybe non-adjustment. But they tried, not all transfers work out.
RB : The club were clearly IMO, waiting to see if Neco Williams emerged. That doesn't seem to be happening but it was reasonable to wait on him for a season. We can't always say "let's bring our youth through" and then go off and buy established players that will be ahead of them.
GK : Kelleher's emergence is perfect cover for Ali. We don't always need to buy in as Jones and Kelleher have shown.

Anyway my wish list for this Summer : established pacy goal-scoring forward, established CB, flexible FB (capable of playing both L&R) and bringing Elliott back : all assuming we keep both Mane & Salah. If Shaq., Milner and Ox. all go then another (preferred established winger) as cover. 3-4 players isn't asking too much is it?

 

[Mystic]

You're reading too much into that single game, since his miss at the beginning Mane was on a bit of a selfish mission to put it right. Maybe there is an issue between the two, if there is I think it's being massively overblown personally, but what we saw against Wolves wasn't about that, it was Mane being angry at himself for missing the initial chance, and trying to hard to do it all on his own for the rest of the game.

 

[tomasjj]

When I saw the highlights, there were several passages of play between the two.

So, whatever, like.

If I had to chose, I'd sell Salah.