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Poll The turning point?

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when will you give the guy a break?

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peterhague

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ok, i think now is an appropriate time to be asking this question.

since the defeat at everton a couple of months back, it's been clear that our form has been much-improved and not obviously bad enough to justify sacking hodgson - it's not been great, but far from poor, and not actually far off title-challenging form on the evidence so far this season. what's even clearer, though, is that the fans' opinions on hodgson have barely softened at all: almost everyone still wants him sacked, sooner or later.

so, the question is, what would need to happen for you to change your mind? at what point would you be happy with the idea of him staying for 3, 4, maybe 5 years?

for me:

1. transfers are a big thing - i don't trust him to make the right long-term decisions. if, as expected, it's more or less down to comolli, and any january signings are promising, then that'd be a big worry allayed, personally.
2. get back in the CL places, and continue to build on positive away performances like at spurs.


so, what does he have to do for you to 'call off the hounds'?
 
If he buys for the positions we need i'll soften, but if he delivers top 4 then i can't fault the man. Awful start granted, but since then we seem to be coming along slowly. We are a work in progress
 
I actually want him gone in the long term.

If he improves, it might be fair to give him some time but he MUST be replaced once a top candidate becomes available.

His appointment was made under some very specific circumstances at that time, and some of them have changed.

I'm not sure if the club should then keep him no matter how well he does in the interim, because Hodgson is not the manager to turn us into a force again.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=43102.msg1230703#msg1230703 date=1291831734]
I actually want him gone in the long term.

If he improves, it might be fair to give him some time but he MUST be replaced once a top candidate becomes available.

His appointment was made under some very specific circumstances at that time, and some of them have changed.

I'm not sure if the club should then keep him no matter how well he does in the interim, because Hodgson is not the manager to turn us into a force again.
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yeah, but clearly it stands to reason that that can't be an absolute position, surely? you wouldn't be saying that if he won us the title, would you? now obviously that's very unlikely, but that's the whole point of the question: what would it take for you to change your opinion?

or are you an ian paisley, 'no surrender', type?
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=43102.msg1230705#msg1230705 date=1291831965]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=43102.msg1230703#msg1230703 date=1291831734]
I actually want him gone in the long term.

If he improves, it might be fair to give him some time but he MUST be replaced once a top candidate becomes available.

His appointment was made under some very specific circumstances at that time, and some of them have changed.

I'm not sure if the club should then keep him no matter how well he does in the interim, because Hodgson is not the manager to turn us into a force again.
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yeah, but clearly it stands to reason that that can't be an absolute position, surely? you wouldn't be saying that if he won us the title, would you? now obviously that's very unlikely, but that's the whole point of the question: what would it take for you to change your opinion?

or are you an ian paisley, 'no surrender', type?
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was just about to ask this question myself. If we spent the rest of the season winning 1-0 i'd keep him. He would have turned us into a victory machine. Just because he's not very "fashionable" makes the idea of sacking him all very Newcastle
 
Win the Europa League, Top 4 finish and develop the young talent at his disposal.

Get that done and I'm prepared to give him another season.
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=43102.msg1230705#msg1230705 date=1291831965]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=43102.msg1230703#msg1230703 date=1291831734]
I actually want him gone in the long term.

If he improves, it might be fair to give him some time but he MUST be replaced once a top candidate becomes available.

His appointment was made under some very specific circumstances at that time, and some of them have changed.

I'm not sure if the club should then keep him no matter how well he does in the interim, because Hodgson is not the manager to turn us into a force again.
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yeah, but clearly it stands to reason that that can't be an absolute position, surely? you wouldn't be saying that if he won us the title, would you? now obviously that's very unlikely, but that's the whole point of the question: what would it take for you to change your opinion?

or are you an ian paisley, 'no surrender', type?
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You don't have 'win the title' as an option.
 
We cant win away from home. I dont want a manager who CANNOT win away from home.

That said i dont have a problem with Roy seeing out the season. I would like to see some class players added in January.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=43102.msg1230712#msg1230712 date=1291832882]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=43102.msg1230705#msg1230705 date=1291831965]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=43102.msg1230703#msg1230703 date=1291831734]
I actually want him gone in the long term.

If he improves, it might be fair to give him some time but he MUST be replaced once a top candidate becomes available.

His appointment was made under some very specific circumstances at that time, and some of them have changed.

I'm not sure if the club should then keep him no matter how well he does in the interim, because Hodgson is not the manager to turn us into a force again.
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yeah, but clearly it stands to reason that that can't be an absolute position, surely? you wouldn't be saying that if he won us the title, would you? now obviously that's very unlikely, but that's the whole point of the question: what would it take for you to change your opinion?

or are you an ian paisley, 'no surrender', type?
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You don't have 'win the title' as an option.
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well there's not a lot of point taking a poll of people willing to give a manager who wins number 19 a break, is there?

what next? 'can you read, yes or no?'
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43102.msg1230711#msg1230711 date=1291832823]
Budgie is a shit manager. What 'turning point' are we referring to?
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the hypothetical ones in the poll, mate.
 
don't mention it. funny thing is, it was right at the top of the page the whole time! you must've just gone scrolled right past it!

ah well, never mind buddy.
 
I still do not hold much confidence in us winning matches. Sure, we have improved, but we've improved from embarrassingly shit to quite shit. I think with this squad we should be around fouth to sixth, and so long as we're not in these spots I'm going to want him out.
 
Finishing fourth, with the squad we've got and the start we had and the serious competition for those places, would be a massive achievement this season. If Hodgson managed that, I think it'd be very difficult (and probably wrong) to sack him.
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=43102.msg1230705#msg1230705 date=1291831965]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=43102.msg1230703#msg1230703 date=1291831734]
I actually want him gone in the long term.

If he improves, it might be fair to give him some time but he MUST be replaced once a top candidate becomes available.

His appointment was made under some very specific circumstances at that time, and some of them have changed.

I'm not sure if the club should then keep him no matter how well he does in the interim, because Hodgson is not the manager to turn us into a force again.
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yeah, but clearly it stands to reason that that can't be an absolute position, surely? you wouldn't be saying that if he won us the title, would you? now obviously that's very unlikely, but that's the whole point of the question: what would it take for you to change your opinion?

or are you an ian paisley, 'no surrender', type?
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It's hard to say,in all honesty.

Just need to see how he does,maybe.

He's not going to challenge for the title,ever and we MUST MUST MUST get in someone who can make us what we used to be.

Of course, if Hodgson improves we should then take a longer time to get that man.
 
Granted the reuslts and performances have been better of late, but for me that doesn't hide the fact that I believe he's still a poor manager. So you can guess my answer to the poll.

As you said Pete, I couldn't trust him in the transfer market also, but then again I don't know if I trust comolli either, which makes me worry about January.
 
As someone else said, our away form is awful and MUST improve dramatically. His record would suggest Hodgson is the least qualified manager in the premiership to do so.

If he does somehow manage to crack that, we'd surely be thereabouts in the top 4, which is all we could realistically hope for at this stage (before our shiny new transfer policy kicks in), so we'd have to stick with the walking corpse.

He also needs to handle himself better with the press and connect with us fans, the one thing I'd assumed he would do well. I couldn't have been more wrong.
 
If we finish top four, my stance would soften on him and I'll judge his time here to have been a success.

That said, I'd still want him sacked because we can do better.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=43102.msg1230758#msg1230758 date=1291839749]
If we finish top four, my stance would soften on him and I'll judge his time here to have been a success.

That said, I'd still want him sacked because we can do better.
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We wont get top 4 though because the Manager can't win away from home.
 
I love hypothetical situations, they're so grounded in reality
 
If we really got back into the top 4 or were very competitive for it, I'd hold my hands up and say I'm wrong. It's not that hard.
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=43102.msg1230769#msg1230769 date=1291841362]
If we really got back into the top 4 or were very competitive for it, I'd hold my hands up and say I'm wrong. It's not that hard.
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Yeah, this pretty much.
 
We've played alot of our toughest games already, Everton, United, Spurs and City all away from home, and despite the game against Stoke, we HAVE been much more improved of late and scoring goals without having to rely so much on Torres (who when fit has been indifferent anyway).

Longterm I think most are agreed that Roy isn't the man for us, his record says as much, but if we continue to improve, buy well in January and push on for the CL places and have a good Europa run, then realistically that's what we would have hoped for at the start of the season, it's not like we were ever serious contenders because we all know the squad wasn't and isn't strong enough.

We're playing some good football atm which is pleasing to see and I don't think we're particularly defensive at all, I just think alot of the time during our shit run we were caught somewhere between. If we can keep this run going and continue playing some good football in the process then I'll be happy.
 
Agree with most of what Mark says...

Considering him a success at the end of the season, relative to realistic goals based upon where we started that season, is not necessarily the same thing as wanting him to stay.

I'll consider him a success if we're challanging hard for a Eurpean Cup place right up until the end and we have a decent UEFA Cup run (though the former is obviously FAR more important).

That said, I'll not be championing him to stay on necessarily, if he achieves all of that, though neither would I want him replaced immedaitely, just for the sack of it... He's not the man for the future, and if the man that the board considers our long term answer is available in the summer, he should jog on.

But, if he achieves that above goals and our long-term guy's not out there yet, he's earned the right to keep going.
 
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