The secret of Germany's success ?
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What could possibly attract gay people to the homosocial arena of football.
All those muscular, glistening thighs, all those bodies in peak physical condition, rinsing off in the showers, it sounds like a nightmare for a gay man.
No, no gays in football. They're all home decorators, so they are.
All those muscular, glistening thighs, all those bodies in peak physical condition, rinsing off in the showers, it sounds like a nightmare for a gay man.
No, no gays in football. They're all home decorators, so they are.
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What could possibly attract gay people to the homosocial arena of football.
All those muscular, glistening thighs, all those bodies in peak physical condition, rinsing off in the showers, it sounds like a nightmare for a gay man.
No, no gays in football. They're all home decorators, so they are.
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Of course there are gays in football. But even given your very enticing and exciting description of its attractions, I don't think there's loads of Premiership footballers just waiting to fall out of the closet.
Certain professions (like fashion, the arts, hairdressing and yes, home decorating) will have far more gayers in it than football.
What could possibly attract gay people to the homosocial arena of football.
All those muscular, glistening thighs, all those bodies in peak physical condition, rinsing off in the showers, it sounds like a nightmare for a gay man.
No, no gays in football. They're all home decorators, so they are.
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Of course there are gays in football. But even given your very enticing and exciting description of its attractions, I don't think there's loads of Premiership footballers just waiting to fall out of the closet.
Certain professions (like fashion, the arts, hairdressing and yes, home decorating) will have far more gayers in it than football.
And what exactly is the "homosexual conspiracy"...
Step one, all the gays of one generation will all train independently, refining our footballing abilities at different positions of the game.
Step two, reach the pinnacles of German football, taking over the national team.
Step three, come in third at the world cup. We don't want to arouse too much suspicion by winning the thing, but we do want some visibility.
Step four, profit.
It's all so elegantly simple.
Step one, all the gays of one generation will all train independently, refining our footballing abilities at different positions of the game.
Step two, reach the pinnacles of German football, taking over the national team.
Step three, come in third at the world cup. We don't want to arouse too much suspicion by winning the thing, but we do want some visibility.
Step four, profit.
It's all so elegantly simple.
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Certain professions (like fashion, the arts, hairdressing and yes, home decorating) will have far more gayers in it than football.
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I honestly think there could be more gays in football than in an average sample of people.
Why does everyone accept that female sports attract lesbians, and see the obvious reasons for that, but not see the same attraction for gays in male sports. There are certain sports where the atmosphere is so violent and hyper macho that the cost of being found out is too great, for instance the Neanderthals in ice hockey. I don't see football being that way.
Certain professions (like fashion, the arts, hairdressing and yes, home decorating) will have far more gayers in it than football.
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I honestly think there could be more gays in football than in an average sample of people.
Why does everyone accept that female sports attract lesbians, and see the obvious reasons for that, but not see the same attraction for gays in male sports. There are certain sports where the atmosphere is so violent and hyper macho that the cost of being found out is too great, for instance the Neanderthals in ice hockey. I don't see football being that way.
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So football attracts gays because there is a lot of men involved?
That sounds a bit tenuous.
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I think male team sports would tend to attract gays. It isn't as if there is an alterior motive, you've just got kids who aren't even sexualised yet, enjoying a highly tracked homosocial atmosphere in a different way than some of the other kids. Then if they are good, they are already on a very defined path, and suppress it.
So football attracts gays because there is a lot of men involved?
That sounds a bit tenuous.
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I think male team sports would tend to attract gays. It isn't as if there is an alterior motive, you've just got kids who aren't even sexualised yet, enjoying a highly tracked homosocial atmosphere in a different way than some of the other kids. Then if they are good, they are already on a very defined path, and suppress it.
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40967.msg1135586#msg1135586 date=1279097689]
Certain professions (like fashion, the arts, hairdressing and yes, home decorating) will have far more gayers in it than football.
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I honestly think there could be more gays in football than in an average sample of people.
Why does everyone accept that female sports attract lesbians, and see the obvious reasons for that, but not see the same attraction for gays in male sports. There are certain sports where the atmosphere is so violent and hyper macho that the cost of being found out is too great, for instance the Neanderthals in ice hockey. I don't see football being that way.
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Isn't the only ever openly gay footballer still Justin Fashanu? The man whose manager (admittedly, an isnane drunk) once called the police to report that a homosexual needed removing from the training ground and who ended up killing himself? I don't think its a very welcoming environment. Even if the players themselves aren't hyper macho, many football fans are horrible right wing bigots. Imagine the abuse a gay footballer would get even now!
There will be some gay footballers around I'm sure but I doubt there will be a huge number of them.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40967.msg1135586#msg1135586 date=1279097689]
Certain professions (like fashion, the arts, hairdressing and yes, home decorating) will have far more gayers in it than football.
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I honestly think there could be more gays in football than in an average sample of people.
Why does everyone accept that female sports attract lesbians, and see the obvious reasons for that, but not see the same attraction for gays in male sports. There are certain sports where the atmosphere is so violent and hyper macho that the cost of being found out is too great, for instance the Neanderthals in ice hockey. I don't see football being that way.
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Isn't the only ever openly gay footballer still Justin Fashanu? The man whose manager (admittedly, an isnane drunk) once called the police to report that a homosexual needed removing from the training ground and who ended up killing himself? I don't think its a very welcoming environment. Even if the players themselves aren't hyper macho, many football fans are horrible right wing bigots. Imagine the abuse a gay footballer would get even now!
There will be some gay footballers around I'm sure but I doubt there will be a huge number of them.
We should probably merge this with the French homophobia thread, as it amounts to the same thing.
I must admit Joachim Low has always struck me as extremely gay-looking, not that it matters.
If gay men play faster, more attacking and fluent football, I think Liverpool should start wearing pink.
I must admit Joachim Low has always struck me as extremely gay-looking, not that it matters.
If gay men play faster, more attacking and fluent football, I think Liverpool should start wearing pink.
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40967.msg1135586#msg1135586 date=1279097689]
Certain professions (like fashion, the arts, hairdressing and yes, home decorating) will have far more gayers in it than football.
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I honestly think there could be more gays in football than in an average sample of people.
Why does everyone accept that female sports attract lesbians, and see the obvious reasons for that, but not see the same attraction for gays in male sports. There are certain sports where the atmosphere is so violent and hyper macho that the cost of being found out is too great, for instance the Neanderthals in ice hockey. I don't see football being that way.
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Lots of lesbians want to be more masculine, hence the interest in sports. Lots of men want to be more feminine, hence the interest in hairdressing.
Stereotyping? Maybe. Accurate? Yes.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40967.msg1135586#msg1135586 date=1279097689]
Certain professions (like fashion, the arts, hairdressing and yes, home decorating) will have far more gayers in it than football.
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I honestly think there could be more gays in football than in an average sample of people.
Why does everyone accept that female sports attract lesbians, and see the obvious reasons for that, but not see the same attraction for gays in male sports. There are certain sports where the atmosphere is so violent and hyper macho that the cost of being found out is too great, for instance the Neanderthals in ice hockey. I don't see football being that way.
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Lots of lesbians want to be more masculine, hence the interest in sports. Lots of men want to be more feminine, hence the interest in hairdressing.
Stereotyping? Maybe. Accurate? Yes.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40967.msg1135598#msg1135598 date=1279098857]
We should probably merge this with the French homophobia thread, as it amounts to the same thing.
I must admit Joachim Low has always struck me as extremely gay-looking, not that it matters.
If gay men play faster, more attacking and fluent football, I think Liverpool should start wearing pink.
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We should leave this to Everton. They're doing quite well at that.
We should probably merge this with the French homophobia thread, as it amounts to the same thing.
I must admit Joachim Low has always struck me as extremely gay-looking, not that it matters.
If gay men play faster, more attacking and fluent football, I think Liverpool should start wearing pink.
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We should leave this to Everton. They're doing quite well at that.
Haha.
Pah, they're probably not gay. They just like to manifest their romantic persuasions in the oldest of time-honoured German traditions; getting a fat whippy on the face whilst simultaneously receiving a greased-up table leg up the cigar burn.
*whispers*
[sub]Localny likes it up the pooper[/sub]
[sub]Localny likes it up the pooper[/sub]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=40967.msg1135590#msg1135590 date=1279098045]There are certain sports where the atmosphere is so violent and hyper macho that the cost of being found out is too great, for instance the Neanderthals in ice hockey. I don't see football being that way.
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I don't follow you with the ice hockey comment. Hockey players tend to be much more humble, polite and self-effacing than pretty much any athletes I've ever seen in the media, particularly footballers. If anything, I think ice hockey would be the most progressive sport in terms of accepting homosexuality. Brendan Burke, a top prospect (and son of Toronto and USA GM Brian Burke), outed himself within the past year (before his death in a car accident) and was widely lauded.
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I don't follow you with the ice hockey comment. Hockey players tend to be much more humble, polite and self-effacing than pretty much any athletes I've ever seen in the media, particularly footballers. If anything, I think ice hockey would be the most progressive sport in terms of accepting homosexuality. Brendan Burke, a top prospect (and son of Toronto and USA GM Brian Burke), outed himself within the past year (before his death in a car accident) and was widely lauded.
Death in a car accident, eh?
Hmmmmmmm
Hmmmmmmm
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[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=40967.msg1135590#msg1135590 date=1279098045]There are certain sports where the atmosphere is so violent and hyper macho that the cost of being found out is too great, for instance the Neanderthals in ice hockey. I don't see football being that way.
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I don't follow you with the ice hockey comment. Hockey players tend to be much more humble, polite and self-effacing than pretty much any athletes I've ever seen in the media, particularly footballers. If anything, I think ice hockey would be the most progressive sport in terms of accepting homosexuality. Brendan Burke, a top prospect (and son of Toronto and USA GM Brian Burke), outed himself within the past year (before his death in a car accident) and was widely lauded.
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Freshman year of college, the majority of my floor was ice hockey players, and much as I remember from high school, they were the most infantile idiots I've ever encountered. They were constantly breaking things, looking for fights etc. They have an incredibly developed vocabulary to discuss the finer points of the "swamp donkeys" that hang about them, and the various different ways they'd gang bang them. They brought sod into one of their rooms and covered the floor, so they could spit their chew directly on it. I've seen the same thing from every set of college hockey players I've ever encountered, whether DIII or DI. I doubt they all of a sudden change when they hit the pros. Hockey players are the the most retrogressive subsection of humanity I've ever encountered. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I haven't met them.
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=40967.msg1135590#msg1135590 date=1279098045]There are certain sports where the atmosphere is so violent and hyper macho that the cost of being found out is too great, for instance the Neanderthals in ice hockey. I don't see football being that way.
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I don't follow you with the ice hockey comment. Hockey players tend to be much more humble, polite and self-effacing than pretty much any athletes I've ever seen in the media, particularly footballers. If anything, I think ice hockey would be the most progressive sport in terms of accepting homosexuality. Brendan Burke, a top prospect (and son of Toronto and USA GM Brian Burke), outed himself within the past year (before his death in a car accident) and was widely lauded.
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Freshman year of college, the majority of my floor was ice hockey players, and much as I remember from high school, they were the most infantile idiots I've ever encountered. They were constantly breaking things, looking for fights etc. They have an incredibly developed vocabulary to discuss the finer points of the "swamp donkeys" that hang about them, and the various different ways they'd gang bang them. They brought sod into one of their rooms and covered the floor, so they could spit their chew directly on it. I've seen the same thing from every set of college hockey players I've ever encountered, whether DIII or DI. I doubt they all of a sudden change when they hit the pros. Hockey players are the the most retrogressive subsection of humanity I've ever encountered. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I haven't met them.
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[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=40967.msg1135590#msg1135590 date=1279098045]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40967.msg1135586#msg1135586 date=1279097689]
Certain professions (like fashion, the arts, hairdressing and yes, home decorating) will have far more gayers in it than football.
[/quote]
I honestly think there could be more gays in football than in an average sample of people.
Why does everyone accept that female sports attract lesbians, and see the obvious reasons for that, but not see the same attraction for gays in male sports. There are certain sports where the atmosphere is so violent and hyper macho that the cost of being found out is too great, for instance the Neanderthals in ice hockey. I don't see football being that way.
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Lots of lesbians want to be more masculine, hence the interest in sports. Lots of men want to be more feminine, hence the interest in hairdressing.
Stereotyping? Maybe. Accurate? Yes.
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This a very genreal comment. I play football, because i enjoy it. And i want to stay fit. I'm not, nor do i wish to be 'more masculine'. I agree about 10 years ago, this probably would have been right. But times have changed. The 'masculine' lebians are slowly filtering out. Thank god.
I have no idea about Gay men. I dont know that many. One of the ones i do, is a window salesmans?? I dont know is that a feminine job??
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=40967.msg1135590#msg1135590 date=1279098045]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40967.msg1135586#msg1135586 date=1279097689]
Certain professions (like fashion, the arts, hairdressing and yes, home decorating) will have far more gayers in it than football.
[/quote]
I honestly think there could be more gays in football than in an average sample of people.
Why does everyone accept that female sports attract lesbians, and see the obvious reasons for that, but not see the same attraction for gays in male sports. There are certain sports where the atmosphere is so violent and hyper macho that the cost of being found out is too great, for instance the Neanderthals in ice hockey. I don't see football being that way.
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Lots of lesbians want to be more masculine, hence the interest in sports. Lots of men want to be more feminine, hence the interest in hairdressing.
Stereotyping? Maybe. Accurate? Yes.
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This a very genreal comment. I play football, because i enjoy it. And i want to stay fit. I'm not, nor do i wish to be 'more masculine'. I agree about 10 years ago, this probably would have been right. But times have changed. The 'masculine' lebians are slowly filtering out. Thank god.
I have no idea about Gay men. I dont know that many. One of the ones i do, is a window salesmans?? I dont know is that a feminine job??
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Who is the 'half gay'. Was he really happy to reach the semis?
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*chortles*
Who is the 'half gay'. Was he really happy to reach the semis?
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*chortles*
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[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=40967.msg1135590#msg1135590 date=1279098045]There are certain sports where the atmosphere is so violent and hyper macho that the cost of being found out is too great, for instance the Neanderthals in ice hockey. I don't see football being that way.
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I don't follow you with the ice hockey comment. Hockey players tend to be much more humble, polite and self-effacing than pretty much any athletes I've ever seen in the media, particularly footballers. If anything, I think ice hockey would be the most progressive sport in terms of accepting homosexuality. Brendan Burke, a top prospect (and son of Toronto and USA GM Brian Burke), outed himself within the past year (before his death in a car accident) and was widely lauded.
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Freshman year of college, the majority of my floor was ice hockey players, and much as I remember from high school, they were the most infantile idiots I've ever encountered. They were constantly breaking things, looking for fights etc. They have an incredibly developed vocabulary to discuss the finer points of the "swamp donkeys" that hang about them, and the various different ways they'd gang bang them. They brought sod into one of their rooms and covered the floor, so they could spit their chew directly on it. I've seen the same thing from every set of college hockey players I've ever encountered, whether DIII or DI. I doubt they all of a sudden change when they hit the pros. Hockey players are the the most retrogressive subsection of humanity I've ever encountered. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I haven't met them.
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Sounds like typical American college students if we're going to stereotype like that.
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[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=40967.msg1135590#msg1135590 date=1279098045]There are certain sports where the atmosphere is so violent and hyper macho that the cost of being found out is too great, for instance the Neanderthals in ice hockey. I don't see football being that way.
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I don't follow you with the ice hockey comment. Hockey players tend to be much more humble, polite and self-effacing than pretty much any athletes I've ever seen in the media, particularly footballers. If anything, I think ice hockey would be the most progressive sport in terms of accepting homosexuality. Brendan Burke, a top prospect (and son of Toronto and USA GM Brian Burke), outed himself within the past year (before his death in a car accident) and was widely lauded.
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Freshman year of college, the majority of my floor was ice hockey players, and much as I remember from high school, they were the most infantile idiots I've ever encountered. They were constantly breaking things, looking for fights etc. They have an incredibly developed vocabulary to discuss the finer points of the "swamp donkeys" that hang about them, and the various different ways they'd gang bang them. They brought sod into one of their rooms and covered the floor, so they could spit their chew directly on it. I've seen the same thing from every set of college hockey players I've ever encountered, whether DIII or DI. I doubt they all of a sudden change when they hit the pros. Hockey players are the the most retrogressive subsection of humanity I've ever encountered. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I haven't met them.
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Sounds like typical American college students if we're going to stereotype like that.
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