The Hypocrisy that is English Football.

[6TimesaRed]

Im sick of it..

Ive been away this weekend so missed the initial incident, but heard about it, so given the media's vendetta towards Suarez, I have tried to avoid all media coverage. But the witch hunt that is currently out and directed towards Suarez, is nothing short of sickening.. The bandwagon has been rolling so much even our dickhead priminister has got involved and shoved his two penneths worth in.. (very thatcher like imho)

Here we have a misunderstood player that is being driven out of English football.. The best player to hit the premier league since Cristiano Ronaldo. Dont get me wrong.. it is wrong what he did, but in my opinion their have been worse incidents this season that have gone un-punished. Everything about the way Suarez plays is about passion for the game, determination to win at any cost. Something a lot of English players could learn from.

Lets go back to the World Cup.. Any born winner would have done the same as Luis did. He was on the goal line, split second decision and he wanted to win for his team and country at any costs. If some of the kids in this country had an ounce of the passion and desire Luis has, then perhaps our national team may actually win something, instead of caring more about the size of their pay packets and lavish lifestyles.

Poyet has just issued a statement, for me, he hits the nail completly on the head..

Gus Poyet has hit out at the exaggerated reaction to Luis Suarez's bite on Branislav Ivanovic and is not sure whether the Liverpool striker will stay in the Premier League.

Suarez has been charged with violent conduct by the Football Association after biting Ivanovic in Sunday's game against Chelsea, while Liverpool have fined the player but insisted he will not be sold.

Brighton & Hove Albion manager Poyet admits there is no defence for what his fellow Uruguayan did but believes the criticism has been too harsh, especially after Suarez issued a swift apology.

"We exaggerate too much," Poyet told The Times. "Luis knows what he has done, he knows he shouldn't do it and it would be better for him, of course, not to have any more issues this year.

"There are players who have done terrible things and apologised after two minutes and have been portrayed as a hero for apologising quickly.

"Luis Suarez apologises immediately and nobody believes the apology. It's sad. Are they living their personal lives by the same rules? I don't like that. There is plenty of hypocrisy in football now.

"He tried to bite someone in the arm; no harm, really. A little pain. But if a player goes over the top and tries to break a leg? That's good because we are strong and we like the tackle.

"That's where we are in England. I know where I am living, and I adapt and I live with it."
Poyet could understand why Suarez might consider moving to a different country if he becomes too unpopular.

He added: "Do you want him in England? Yes or no? If everybody is against him, he will leave. I know him quite well. I don't know how he is managed, so I can't comment on that.

"It's difficult to have Luis playing at that level with a different character. You need to play the whole package and manage him the best way you can and get the best out of him without any other issues.

"You need to be with him daily and know where he is and in which country he is playing football. It is not just about the 90 minutes we see. I think right now the mental side of football is the most important part."

Poyet accepts that the way Suarez plays his football will divide opinion, but believes he is often misunderstood by English audiences.

"They think they know the reasons why he plays how he plays," Poyet explained. "He learnt to play in a certain way and he will do everything possible to win a football match; sometimes too much. He knows that better than you and me.
"Some people like him, some people don't. If he plays for your team, you will probably like him and if he plays against your team, more people will hate him."

 

[Silver Sean]

Can't go around biting people and expecting to get off scott free but a 3 match ban is all it is. Violent conduct. Sadly the media witch hunt is appalling. I hate the media in this country so much.
The FA say footballers are role models then put Rooney's face on everything. Because shagging old prossies behind your girlfriend's back is ok.
I fucking give up to be honest. I hate football but can't get shot of it out of my life. I might go for hypnotherapy.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

He's not misunderstood. He's a loon.

 

[StevieM]

I read an article in the Independent which made a few good points about it being a bit of an overreaction - how it seems to be ok to attempt to amputate a players leg by tackling, but as soon as a wee nibble happens its the end of the world.

I a rurally thought it was one of the funniest things I've ever seen on a football field.

 

[gkmacca]

It's a bit like that with spitting. You get ex-pros dismissing career-threatening tackles whilst going apoplectic at a spit. Spitting's really unpleasant but I never get why it sends these players into a frenzy when other stuff is laughed off.

 

[RedStar]

The hypocrisy that is English football fans, you can justify absolutely anything done by a player who plays for your club but despise a player who play for other clubs committing similar or lesser offenses

 

[Judge Jules]

Spot on from Poyet. He said similar things after the Evra stitch-up last year and got pelters for it. Glad to see that hasn't shut him up.

 

[jimmy]

The hypocrisy that is English football fans, you can justify absolutely anything done by a player who plays for your club but despise a player who play for other clubs committing similar or lesser offenses

That's not true. Nobody here, not a single poster here has justified what Suarez did.
All his fans here keep denouncing what he did and say that he acted foolishly.
He apologized in person and in public.
The club has fined him.
He will probably be banned for more than a few games.


But. It seems like it is not enough for too many people. Even here, among the fans of this club for whom his game was one of the only source of satisfaction (football wise) over the last 2.5 years. No. It is not enough. they want to see his blood.
Did he kill anybody? Was he close to it? Did he send someone to hospital? To a clinic? To the treatment table? None of those.
So he fucking lost his temper and bit Ivanovic. we are ashamed of it and he is. He's already been put to shame and punished and will get more.
But no. That's not enough.

Would I like my son to do what he did? Hell no. and I told him that it was an ugly thing to do and that it is unacceptable.
But is this the only ugly thing he sees watching football?
Was Keane's tackle less disgusting? was it not much more dangerous?
Was Cantona's Karate kick any better?
Was Ruddock's behaviour a role model?
Was Hooth stepping on Suarez acceptable?
Were Pepe's (Real's not ours) behaviour in countless events better?

Have they taken any of the above to the Guilliotine? I believe not.

What Suarez did was disgusting.
The criticism and calls for his head I keep reading are as bad.

 

[keniget]

Spot on from Poyet. He said similar things after the Evra stitch-up last year and got pelters for it. Glad to see that hasn't shut him up.

He is Uruguayan though.

 

[RedStar]

Was Keane's tackle less disgusting? was it not much more dangerous?
Was Cantona's Karate kick any better?
Was Ruddock's behaviour a role model?
Was Hooth stepping on Suarez acceptable?
Were Pepe's (Real's not ours) behaviour in countless events better

Problem is I hated/hate all those players, for various reasons. I wont make an exception for Suarez, hes a nasty piece of work. I don't want him at this club, I may be in the minority and thats fair enough but I get no joy from watching him play.

Where as you will find plenty of people who hate Bale or Drogba because hes a diver or despise Terry cos hes a racist, or loathe Keane cos hes a violent thug. Thats fair enough, but if you dont hate Suarez, who is all of those things, then you are a hypocrite

The common answer is 'did Utd fuck Keane out cos hes a thug' and no they didnt, but any of their fans that supported Keane and now want Suarez banned are hypocrites too. Its all well and good getting on our high horse shouting 'double standard hypocrites' at the press and the FA but most of our fans and most fans in general apply a perverse double standard to all football related decisions

Its a matter of honesty, I cant stand Suarez, Im sure in 2 or 12 months when he has fucked off somewhere else most people will come out admit he was a horrible bastard, but until that day they will go on cheering him, and spitting bile at similar players who play for other clubs

 

[tombrown]

I think you'll find that those players are hated because of what they are in conjunction with, and maybe more importantly, who they play for. It's sort of common among football fans that we are tribal, and to suggest that we should all be totally impartial and apply exactly the same criteria to our own as we do to players from other teams is to fly in the face of that tribalism and so make football about as interesting as a friendly game of bridge with great aunt Matilda.

That & the fact that Suarez is perfect & the rest of them are scum

 

[Judge Jules]

He is Uruguayan though.

Indeed, but he's also right.

 

[Dirkus_Circus]

It's a bit like that with spitting. You get ex-pros dismissing career-threatening tackles whilst going apoplectic at a spit. Spitting's really unpleasant but I never get why it sends these players into a frenzy when other stuff is laughed off.

I've always found that strange as well.

 

[Dirkus_Circus]

The hypocrisy that is English football fans, you can justify absolutely anything done by a player who plays for your club but despise a player who play for other clubs committing similar or lesser offenses

Hmmmmm

 

[FoxForceFive]

@RedStar

You get no joy from watching him play?

That cannot be true.

My manc mate text me saying he hopes he stays cos he's a genius & he loves watching him play (before then arguing rvp is a better finisher, which is hard to argue).

 

[gkmacca]

The FA's scale of atrocities:

1, Handbags: punches, elbows, chinnings, leg breaks.
2. Outrageous acts of violence: touching a referee.
3. Barbaric behaviour: spitting.
4. Potential life ban-standard actions: high-profile foreigners doing stuff that gets media attention.

 

[Judge Jules]

Problem is I hated/hate all those players, for various reasons. I wont make an exception for Suarez, hes a nasty piece of work. I don't want him at this club, I may be in the minority and thats fair enough but I get no joy from watching him play.

Where as you will find plenty of people who hate Bale or Drogba because hes a diver or despise Terry cos hes a racist, or loathe Keane cos hes a violent thug. Thats fair enough, but if you dont hate Suarez, who is all of those things, then you are a hypocrite

The common answer is 'did Utd fuck Keane out cos hes a thug' and no they didnt, but any of their fans that supported Keane and now want Suarez banned are hypocrites too. Its all well and good getting on our high horse shouting 'double standard hypocrites' at the press and the FA but most of our fans and most fans in general apply a perverse double standard to all football related decisions

Its a matter of honesty, I cant stand Suarez, Im sure in 2 or 12 months when he has fucked off somewhere else most people will come out admit he was a horrible bastard, but until that day they will go on cheering him, and spitting bile at similar players who play for other clubs

Fair enough, if you also hated those other players that's a consistent and respectable viewpoint. I don't share it though - I hated some of those players' actions, but I don't hate the players themselves because of those actions. By the same token: no, I won't "admit" that Suarez is a "horrible b@stard", because I don't believe he is. The only one of those you've named whom I'd describe in those terms is Terry, and that's not for footballing reasons.

 

[RedStar]

@RedStar

You get no joy from watching him play?

That cannot be true.

My manc mate text me saying he hopes he stays cos he's a genius & he loves watching him play (before then arguing rvp is a better finisher, which is hard to argue).

Look dont get me wrong hes a top player and when he scores a goal I celebrate it the same as if it was any other player, but the rest of his game/personality is just so off putting I can never really enjoy it, he doesnt make it difficult to dislike him though, he can barely go 45 minutes without getting embroiled in controversy of some kind, hes like Bellamy on crack

 

[Judge Jules]

@RedStar

You get no joy from watching him play?

That cannot be true.

My manc mate text me saying he hopes he stays cos he's a genius & he loves watching him play (before then arguing rvp is a better finisher, which is hard to argue).

Is it? Until this season I'd have agreed, but I don't think that view's sustainable now.

 

[jimmy]

@RedStar
Fair enough. It's perfectly OK for you to hate him.
I don't hate the guy. I love him.

You get no joy from watching Suarez play? Really? Do you actually like watching football then? I mean try imagining watching Liverpool play during the last 2.5 years w/o Suarez? Many wouldn't bother. People pay a lot of money to go to the match as well as for watching games on TV. They pay to watch players like Suarez (and for that matter - Bale, Drogba, Ronaldo, Maradona who are all cunts as well as Messi who may be in a different category). Most of the great entertainers among footballers have that "spark of madness" in them.

You normally hate your opponent's cunts and support yours. This is football.

I agree that you have to draw a line between what you see as disgusting or ugly but still support the player and what is un-acceptable. I think Suarez has that madness in him and what he did on Sunday was disgusting. However, as I said above, i don't think it deserves the witchhunt that followed. The examples I gave above are far worse. BTW, for me what Gerrard did attacking that DJ was far worse although he didn't do it on a football field. Do you hate Gerrard? Did you want him out at the time?

Anyway, looks like there are two camps here and the differences are too large to bridge. We'll probably keep trying convincing each other why our camp is right and the other is wrong. I hope we can do it in a respectful manner.

 

[FoxForceFive]

@Judge Jules

My reply was rvp is undoubtedly more clinical a finisher but not necessarily the better finisher of the two for that, given suarez ability to score in multiple ways with head & both feet.

I think it's about right.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

@FoxForceFive

Hi dude

 

[RedZeppelin III]

if you're a top player doing it on the pitch then you can do what the fuck you want off it and you'll be excused . But break a football 'moral' on the pitch and then they're after you . Them the rules, don't question them .

 

[hamstrung_pigeon]

@LeTallecWiz

Just trying this out *hugs*

 

[Frogfish]

It's a bit like that with spitting. You get ex-pros dismissing career-threatening tackles whilst going apoplectic at a spit. Spitting's really unpleasant but I never get why it sends these players into a frenzy when other stuff is laughed off.

Bird Flu mate.

 

[Frogfish]

I love him. Passion in bucket loads (and yes sometimes that takes him over the top but come on, a rabies jab from the trainer and then Ivanovic is fit to continue) and one of the most exciting players to watch I have ever seen (on the same excitement level as Messi).

The real crimes in football are rarely punished except when a career is ended .. and then not even in many cases. However piddling little (and if I say so hilarious) cameos such as an attempt to bit the arm that holds you, is vilified beyond belief. Be in no doubt, this was nothing like his previous. Though as we know it is the man they are hunting down with baying dogs and the media will not be sated until he leaves this country for good. For Suarez spitting on the sidewalk would receive the same condemnation and media attention.

However off the field he is quiet, mild and a wonderful example of a family man (as far as we all know), which counts for fuck all in our sick society. However what goes on off the field with many of our nutcase footballers (drunkeness, rape, brawling, wife-beating, girlfriend bashing, dangerous driving, voyeurism, being unfaithful etc. etc.) is rarely big news and if the player is a 'good 'un' on the pitch then all is forgiven and he's just a bit of a lad isn't he ? No harm really, he's still a damn good role model.

The Independent is right, the hypocrisy is appalling but what do you expect from Britain's sick media and the FA ?

 

[LeTallecWiz]

@Frogfish - I was telling a mate that I haven't loved a player this much since Fowler. Yes, I know - he's a nutter on the pitch, but he'll do anything to win for the team. Suarez is making me realize how much being a footy fan was fun as a 12 year old. I love watching him play ... I love watching him do the most unreal shit I've ever seen a Liverpool player do - he is the most skillful player on this planet bar Messi. Man I hope this kid helps Gerrard lift #19 and never leaves. If every player cared and played like he does - yes we'd have a few suspensions here and there, but we'd be smashing every fucking team. I bet that twat up in Manchester realizes that Suarez plays like he manages ... And he reailzes that what Diego did with Napoli against the odds, Suarez will soon do with Liverpool.

COME ON YOU REDS

 

[RedStar]

I bet that twat up in Manchester realizes that Suarez plays like he manages ... And he reailzes that what Diego did with Napoli against the odds, Suarez will soon do with Liverpool

Do you really believe that? Hes already throwing out the 'Id like to stay but you never know' lines when asked about his future. I reckon he will be here for 12 months max, and we will not be lifting no 19 next season

 

[Red Mullet]

Look dont get me wrong hes a top player and when he scores a goal I celebrate it the same as if it was any other player, but the rest of his game/personality is just so off putting I can never really enjoy it, he doesnt make it difficult to dislike him though, he can barely go 45 minutes without getting embroiled in controversy of some kind, hes like Bellamy on crack

How do you know what his personality is like? Surely, not basing on TV and a few football matches?
I'm guessing you've met the man, talked with him and found you've disliked him?

 

[Dreambeliever]

Problem is I hated/hate all those players, for various reasons. I wont make an exception for Suarez, hes a nasty piece of work. I don't want him at this club, I may be in the minority and thats fair enough but I get no joy from watching him play.

Where as you will find plenty of people who hate Bale or Drogba because hes a diver or despise Terry cos hes a racist, or loathe Keane cos hes a violent thug. Thats fair enough, but if you dont hate Suarez, who is all of those things, then you are a hypocrite

The common answer is 'did Utd fuck Keane out cos hes a thug' and no they didnt, but any of their fans that supported Keane and now want Suarez banned are hypocrites too. Its all well and good getting on our high horse shouting 'double standard hypocrites' at the press and the FA but most of our fans and most fans in general apply a perverse double standard to all football related decisions

Its a matter of honesty, I cant stand Suarez, Im sure in 2 or 12 months when he has fucked off somewhere else most people will come out admit he was a horrible bastard, but until that day they will go on cheering him, and spitting bile at similar players who play for other clubs

Nope much like Keane, Saurez is a born winner and no mater where he plays I'll always love watching winners.