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Re: Thanks for fuck all Roy, now FUCK OFF
Managers don't make any difference. Wouldn't matter if Mourinho, Budgie or Avram Grant was in charge.
Managers don't make any difference. Wouldn't matter if Mourinho, Budgie or Avram Grant was in charge.
Re: Thanks for fuck all Roy, now FUCK OFF
[quote author=Krump link=topic=43319.msg1239805#msg1239805 date=1293722897]
I think this is one of the men that lives in my head.
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I think mine is more like the guy that immediately followed him.
[quote author=Krump link=topic=43319.msg1239805#msg1239805 date=1293722897]
I think this is one of the men that lives in my head.
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I think mine is more like the guy that immediately followed him.
Re: Thanks for fuck all Roy, now FUCK OFF
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43319.msg1239794#msg1239794 date=1293722113]
Well, those comments do unmask him as a nastier-tempered person than his usual rep would suggest (in this country at any rate - over in Europe they wouldn't be too surprised), that's certainly an ugly trait and I don't mean to suggest that I like the guy or anything. However, IMO those comments themselves are further evidence that the pressure is too much for him.
I'm not spending time feeling sorry for him though. My real concern is for the club, which desperately needs to get shot of him, and quick.
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Indeed. You apologise sympathise and then consider your position, which in Roys case would mean looking at whats going on holding up his hands and walking away. Slagging the fans? He has a deathwish.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43319.msg1239794#msg1239794 date=1293722113]
Well, those comments do unmask him as a nastier-tempered person than his usual rep would suggest (in this country at any rate - over in Europe they wouldn't be too surprised), that's certainly an ugly trait and I don't mean to suggest that I like the guy or anything. However, IMO those comments themselves are further evidence that the pressure is too much for him.
I'm not spending time feeling sorry for him though. My real concern is for the club, which desperately needs to get shot of him, and quick.
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Indeed. You apologise sympathise and then consider your position, which in Roys case would mean looking at whats going on holding up his hands and walking away. Slagging the fans? He has a deathwish.
Re: Thanks for fuck all Roy, now FUCK OFF
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=43319.msg1239640#msg1239640 date=1293711622]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43319.msg1239605#msg1239605 date=1293708784]
Played 18. Won 6. Drawn 4. Lost 8. Fuck Off Roy.
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Unbeaten in Europe though!
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Is this still DB?
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=43319.msg1239640#msg1239640 date=1293711622]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43319.msg1239605#msg1239605 date=1293708784]
Played 18. Won 6. Drawn 4. Lost 8. Fuck Off Roy.
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Unbeaten in Europe though!
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Is this still DB?
Re: Thanks for fuck all Roy, now FUCK OFF
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43319.msg1239811#msg1239811 date=1293723188]
Andy Gray stated several times that this isn't Roys fault. He can fuck right off the biased cunt.
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And yet last year when this was happening, it was all Benitez's fault.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43319.msg1239811#msg1239811 date=1293723188]
Andy Gray stated several times that this isn't Roys fault. He can fuck right off the biased cunt.
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And yet last year when this was happening, it was all Benitez's fault.
Re: Thanks for fuck all Roy, now FUCK OFF
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43319.msg1239860#msg1239860 date=1293726250]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=43319.msg1239640#msg1239640 date=1293711622]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43319.msg1239605#msg1239605 date=1293708784]
Played 18. Won 6. Drawn 4. Lost 8. Fuck Off Roy.
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Unbeaten in Europe though!
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Is this still DB?
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Hahaha, with that post it definitely is!
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43319.msg1239860#msg1239860 date=1293726250]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=43319.msg1239640#msg1239640 date=1293711622]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43319.msg1239605#msg1239605 date=1293708784]
Played 18. Won 6. Drawn 4. Lost 8. Fuck Off Roy.
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Unbeaten in Europe though!
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Is this still DB?
[/quote]
Hahaha, with that post it definitely is!
Re: Thanks for fuck all Roy, now FUCK OFF
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=43319.msg1239875#msg1239875 date=1293727188]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43319.msg1239860#msg1239860 date=1293726250]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=43319.msg1239640#msg1239640 date=1293711622]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43319.msg1239605#msg1239605 date=1293708784]
Played 18. Won 6. Drawn 4. Lost 8. Fuck Off Roy.
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Unbeaten in Europe though!
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Is this still DB?
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Hahaha, with that post it definitely is!
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I hope Pete slapped him after his "we're gonna win 4 nil" proclamation before the game! Fucking Jonah!
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=43319.msg1239875#msg1239875 date=1293727188]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43319.msg1239860#msg1239860 date=1293726250]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=43319.msg1239640#msg1239640 date=1293711622]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43319.msg1239605#msg1239605 date=1293708784]
Played 18. Won 6. Drawn 4. Lost 8. Fuck Off Roy.
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Unbeaten in Europe though!
[/quote]
Is this still DB?
[/quote]
Hahaha, with that post it definitely is!
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I hope Pete slapped him after his "we're gonna win 4 nil" proclamation before the game! Fucking Jonah!
Re: Thanks for fuck all Roy, now FUCK OFF
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43319.msg1239878#msg1239878 date=1293727278]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=43319.msg1239875#msg1239875 date=1293727188]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43319.msg1239860#msg1239860 date=1293726250]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=43319.msg1239640#msg1239640 date=1293711622]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43319.msg1239605#msg1239605 date=1293708784]
Played 18. Won 6. Drawn 4. Lost 8. Fuck Off Roy.
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Unbeaten in Europe though!
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Is this still DB?
[/quote]
Hahaha, with that post it definitely is!
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I hope Pete slapped him after his "we're gonna win 4 nil" proclamation before the game! Fucking Jonah!
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Everyone did, poor lad took some stick!
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43319.msg1239878#msg1239878 date=1293727278]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=43319.msg1239875#msg1239875 date=1293727188]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=43319.msg1239860#msg1239860 date=1293726250]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=43319.msg1239640#msg1239640 date=1293711622]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43319.msg1239605#msg1239605 date=1293708784]
Played 18. Won 6. Drawn 4. Lost 8. Fuck Off Roy.
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Unbeaten in Europe though!
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Is this still DB?
[/quote]
Hahaha, with that post it definitely is!
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I hope Pete slapped him after his "we're gonna win 4 nil" proclamation before the game! Fucking Jonah!
[/quote]
Everyone did, poor lad took some stick!
Re: Thanks for fuck all Roy, now FUCK OFF
I was with my Toquay supporting mate last night, up from Devon for Chrimbo.
Can anyone argue with his point that Torquay would defo have had more shots on goal than we managed? Torquay are doing ok at the mo, currently 8th in League 2 and they play good attacking football.
I was with my Toquay supporting mate last night, up from Devon for Chrimbo.
Can anyone argue with his point that Torquay would defo have had more shots on goal than we managed? Torquay are doing ok at the mo, currently 8th in League 2 and they play good attacking football.
Re: Thanks for fuck all Roy, now FUCK OFF
Roy Hodgson's record at Liverpool FC: the statistics so far
Dec 30 2010 By Sean Bradbury
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The stats make grim reading for Liverpool FC manager Roy Hodgson, who last night tasted defeat for the ninth time in 29 games as Anfield boss - plunging the Reds to a 57-year low.
Wolves' win leaves Liverpool on just 22 points going into the New Year, their lowest tally at this stage of the season since 1953/54 when Don Welsh’s side was relegated.
Hodgson has still never beaten Wolves as a Premier League manager, while last night's visitors - bottom of the league before kick-off - had not won at Anfield since 1984.
The Reds have already lost to two of the promoted clubs this term - Newcastle away, Blackpool at home - and now find themselves just three points off the relegation zone and five points from the foot of the table.
The Blackpool defeat in October put Liverpool into the bottom three and - in the first statistical nod to the 1953/54 season - meant the Reds had got off to their worst league start for 57 years.
And Kopites will remember Liverpool's Carling Cup clash against League Two outfit Northampton back in September for all the wrong reasons, with Hodgson's side crashing out on penalties in what many considered to be the most embarrassing home performance since Worcester City in 1959.
While last night's loss also came at Anfield, Hodgson's away record with Liverpool so far is perhaps more of a cause for concern.
The Reds have been beaten six times and have managed only one win on the road in the league this season, scoring just six goals.
Hodgson has never won more than five away games in charge of a Premier League team in a single season; Rafael Benitez won only five away games in 2009/10 and it was not deemed good enough to keep him at LFC.
Benitez won 13 away games with the Reds in the 2008/09 campaign - the same amount Hodgson has won in his Premier League managerial career to date.
Roy Hodgson's Premier League away record in full:
1997/98 at Blackburn Rovers - 5 away wins - finished 6th
1998/99 at Blackburn Rovers - 0 away wins - sacked when 20th
2007/08 at Fulham - 3 away wins - finished 17th
2008/09 at Fulham - 3 away wins - finished 7th
2009/10 at Fulham - 1 away win - finished 12th
2010/11 at Liverpool - 1 away win so far - currently 12th
How Hodgson compares overall to past LFC managers:
Manager Matches Won Drawn Lost Win %
Roy Hodgson 29 12 8 9 41.38%
Rafael Benitez 350 194 77 79 55.43%
Gerard Houllier 325 165 81 79 50.77%
Roy Evans 244 123 63 58 50.41%
Graeme Souness 157 65 47 45 41.4%
Kenny Dalglish 307 187 78 42 60.91%
Joe Fagan 131 70 37 24 53.44%
Bob Paisley 535 307 132 96 57.38%
Bill Shankly 783 407 198 178 51.98%
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/12/30/roy-hodgson-s-record-at-liverpool-fc-the-statistics-so-far-100252-27908002/
Roy Hodgson's record at Liverpool FC: the statistics so far
Dec 30 2010 By Sean Bradbury
Comments (20)
Recommend (3)
The stats make grim reading for Liverpool FC manager Roy Hodgson, who last night tasted defeat for the ninth time in 29 games as Anfield boss - plunging the Reds to a 57-year low.
Wolves' win leaves Liverpool on just 22 points going into the New Year, their lowest tally at this stage of the season since 1953/54 when Don Welsh’s side was relegated.
Hodgson has still never beaten Wolves as a Premier League manager, while last night's visitors - bottom of the league before kick-off - had not won at Anfield since 1984.
The Reds have already lost to two of the promoted clubs this term - Newcastle away, Blackpool at home - and now find themselves just three points off the relegation zone and five points from the foot of the table.
The Blackpool defeat in October put Liverpool into the bottom three and - in the first statistical nod to the 1953/54 season - meant the Reds had got off to their worst league start for 57 years.
And Kopites will remember Liverpool's Carling Cup clash against League Two outfit Northampton back in September for all the wrong reasons, with Hodgson's side crashing out on penalties in what many considered to be the most embarrassing home performance since Worcester City in 1959.
While last night's loss also came at Anfield, Hodgson's away record with Liverpool so far is perhaps more of a cause for concern.
The Reds have been beaten six times and have managed only one win on the road in the league this season, scoring just six goals.
Hodgson has never won more than five away games in charge of a Premier League team in a single season; Rafael Benitez won only five away games in 2009/10 and it was not deemed good enough to keep him at LFC.
Benitez won 13 away games with the Reds in the 2008/09 campaign - the same amount Hodgson has won in his Premier League managerial career to date.
Roy Hodgson's Premier League away record in full:
1997/98 at Blackburn Rovers - 5 away wins - finished 6th
1998/99 at Blackburn Rovers - 0 away wins - sacked when 20th
2007/08 at Fulham - 3 away wins - finished 17th
2008/09 at Fulham - 3 away wins - finished 7th
2009/10 at Fulham - 1 away win - finished 12th
2010/11 at Liverpool - 1 away win so far - currently 12th
How Hodgson compares overall to past LFC managers:
Manager Matches Won Drawn Lost Win %
Roy Hodgson 29 12 8 9 41.38%
Rafael Benitez 350 194 77 79 55.43%
Gerard Houllier 325 165 81 79 50.77%
Roy Evans 244 123 63 58 50.41%
Graeme Souness 157 65 47 45 41.4%
Kenny Dalglish 307 187 78 42 60.91%
Joe Fagan 131 70 37 24 53.44%
Bob Paisley 535 307 132 96 57.38%
Bill Shankly 783 407 198 178 51.98%
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/12/30/roy-hodgson-s-record-at-liverpool-fc-the-statistics-so-far-100252-27908002/
Re: Thanks for fuck all Roy, now FUCK OFF
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=43319.msg1239836#msg1239836 date=1293724921]
Shut up you old fucking cunt. Nearly everyone hates you.
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Asbo isn't that bad 😉
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=43319.msg1239836#msg1239836 date=1293724921]
Shut up you old fucking cunt. Nearly everyone hates you.
[/quote]
Asbo isn't that bad 😉
Re: Thanks for fuck all Roy, now FUCK OFF
Hodgson fighting losing battle
Phil McNulty | 12:10 UK time, Thursday, 30 December 2010
Unloved and now mocked at Anfield, Roy Hodgson says he is still waiting to hear the famous support of Liverpool's followers. He may be waiting some time - and not just from the fans.
Liverpool's new owner John W. Henry and his Boston-based cohorts must also be pondering the level of backing they can continue to give a manager whose faltering reign is now provoking an almost mutinous response for a fanbase famed for unswerving loyalty.
Hodgson had the silent treatment from The Kop for six months following his arrival from Fulham. When the 63-year-old was finally acknowledged, he received the sort of recognition he could do without.
As Liverpool slipped to a 1-0 home defeat against Wolves, the kind of dismal reverse that has characterised their season, Anfield delivered its most damning verdict yet, serving up ironic chants of "Hodgson For England" and adopting the traditional default position of calling for the return of Kenny Dalglish.
The fact that Hodgson chose to return fire by effectively criticising the fans for their lack of backing suggests no amount of counselling or consolation will repair this broken relationship.
Roy Hodgson watches his side crash to defeat against WolvesDefeat to Wolves left Hodgson (left) exposed. Photo: PA
Hodgson was stating facts when he highlighted the dearth of personal support. Liverpool's fans could be equally factual by replying that had anyone blinking might have missed any moments of quality from his team at home this season. As high-risk strategies go, complaining about supporters in times of turmoil is right up there.
Hodgson was a logical choice by Liverpool's board to succeed Rafael Benitez. Mature and experienced - not to mention manager of the year after taking Fulham to the Europa League final - he looked the perfect fit to oversee what would inevitably be a transitional period on and off the pitch.
It was an appointment, however, that was greeted with a wave of indifference by supporters who craved a more high-profile figure. Needing a fast start, Hodgson stumbled as events off the field conspired against him and he proved incapable of coaxing any consistency or quality out of the squad Benitez left behind.
The Carling Cup loss at home to Northampton knocked a hole in his credibility, a hole made bigger after being outplayed at Anfield by newly promoted Blackpool. Liverpool's dismal away form has not helped, while the Kop's corrosive reaction to the defeat against Wolves appears to have ensured the last droplets of support from the fans have drained away.
New signings - Raul Meireles apart - have been failures, while Hodgson's reign now carries all the hallmarks of one that will limp to a conclusion at some point between now and the season's end.
Hodgson - and he deserves sympathy here because he cannot pretend to be a personality that he is not - has failed to capture the imagination of Liverpool's supporters. They were angered by his tame reaction to Sir Alex Ferguson's criticism of Fernando Torres after the defeat at Manchester United as well as the cosmetics the former Inter Milan boss applied to Liverpool's display when they were well beaten at Everton.
Conservative tactics have also drawn criticism, while even victories over Chelsea only qualified as brief respite for the increasingly beleaguered Hodgson.
Liverpool owner Henry now faces a huge call. Does he react to such open discontent - not towards him or his NESV colleagues it should be stressed - by sacking his manager or does he continue to map out the long-term strategy and wait until the summer to make a change?
Whatever the American decides, it would take a transformation of almost unfathomable proportions for Hodgson to survive at Anfield any longer than the end of this season. The end may come even sooner if the current decline accelerates.
He was regarded as a safe pair of hands - not so safe as it has transpired - but the new owners have increased ambitions for Liverpool. What they have already been able to decipher means it is unlikely Hodgson will play a part in their vision for the years ahead.
The Kop has made it clear they want the return of Dalglish but the Scot would probably want to call all the shots himself and Henry has already made it clear Damien Comolli is his man as director of football strategy. So where would Dalglish fit in?
torrespa595.jpgStriker Torres is out of sorts and he continues to toil. Photo: PA
If Hodgson wants sympathy and understanding, then former Liverpool midfielder Jan Molby, a regular observer of Hodgson's reign this season as an expert BBC summariser and supporter of the club he represented with such distinction, has some to offer.
"I don't think Roy can be blamed totally for what has happened," said the Dane. "There are things you can't defend, like his signings and some of the performances. He knew Paul Konchesky and thought he would do a job but that hasn't worked out, while Christian Poulsen has found the Premier League too much for him.
"Joe Cole has been a major disappointment. Despite the delight from Liverpool's fans when he signed, I was never overexcited about him. I have never been convinced. He was on the bench at Chelsea and he has been on the bench for England. He is what he is - a subsitute who could have an impact coming on."
Molby imounted a defence for Hodgson as he added: "He inherited an unbalanced squad with no real wide men. Dirk Kuyt and Maxi Rodriguez play there and yet they have no real pace. They can't get behind defences and get crosses in.
"The striker situation was never addressed in terms of back-up to Torres. To go so many transfer windows without getting a striker in was criminal. Liverpool have paid the price.
"Almost the first thing he had to do was sell Javier Mascherano with little time to buy a replacement, although Meireles has shown his quality. To come to Liverpool, a club with high expectations, and know the squad is not what you need makes life very difficult.
"He has been unlucky with some of his big players as well. Steven Gerrard got injured playing for England, Torres just hasn't fired and now Jamie Carragher is out for three months. As I said, there are things you can't defend but there are other things that have been out of Hodgson's control."
How Hodgson turns around his deterioating relationship with Liverpool's fans is almost impossible to work out, unless he conjures up a string of results his current squad look totally ill-equipped to achieve.
"The relationship with the fans is a problem," said Molby. "The whole atmosphere at Anfield and the relationship between Roy and the fans is most unlike Liverpool. He never even got a welcome at his first game, which is almost unheard of for any new Liverpool manager.
"I was at that game at Arsenal and watched specifically for the reaction he got. Apart from a few people around the technical area, there was no reaction. The Wolves game was the first time Liverpool fans have chanted Hodgson's name - and it was only to be sarcastic, which is not a great sign.
"Maybe the fans were hoping for better. Over the last three years, when there was speculation about Benitez's future, there was talk of Guus Hiddink and Jose Mourinho. They were never going to come to Liverpool at the time Roy got the job.
"That is not to say Liverpool could not attract a top manager from abroad. I think Louis van Gaal would walk to Anfield to take the Liverpool job."
As the storm clouds gather around Hodgson, Molby believes Liverpool's new Boston-based hierarchy are more likely to take their time mapping out a long-term strategy rather than take the option of sacking the manager unless the situation deteriorates even more dramatically. It is a policy Molby agrees with.
"I think he should get more time," said Molby. "This is a bad, bad time to change managers unless the one you specifically want is out there walking around without a job. Who are they? They are Martin O'Neill, Frank Rijkaard, Sam Allardyce and Martin Jol, who wouldn't want to come and work with Comolli again after their time together at Spurs.
"This is a really important period for the new owners. They are assessing everything and I think there will be upheaval in the summer.
"I don't know whether this will include a change of manager but it might mean losing one or two players Liverpool might not want to lose, such as Torres and Pepe Reina, to bring some money in and to start rebuilding and overhauling things."
Hodgson faces the disaffected fans again when Bolton visit Anfield on New Year's Day. Another defeat will push him even closer to what seems to be an inevitable fate.
Hodgson fighting losing battle
Phil McNulty | 12:10 UK time, Thursday, 30 December 2010
Unloved and now mocked at Anfield, Roy Hodgson says he is still waiting to hear the famous support of Liverpool's followers. He may be waiting some time - and not just from the fans.
Liverpool's new owner John W. Henry and his Boston-based cohorts must also be pondering the level of backing they can continue to give a manager whose faltering reign is now provoking an almost mutinous response for a fanbase famed for unswerving loyalty.
Hodgson had the silent treatment from The Kop for six months following his arrival from Fulham. When the 63-year-old was finally acknowledged, he received the sort of recognition he could do without.
As Liverpool slipped to a 1-0 home defeat against Wolves, the kind of dismal reverse that has characterised their season, Anfield delivered its most damning verdict yet, serving up ironic chants of "Hodgson For England" and adopting the traditional default position of calling for the return of Kenny Dalglish.
The fact that Hodgson chose to return fire by effectively criticising the fans for their lack of backing suggests no amount of counselling or consolation will repair this broken relationship.
Roy Hodgson watches his side crash to defeat against WolvesDefeat to Wolves left Hodgson (left) exposed. Photo: PA
Hodgson was stating facts when he highlighted the dearth of personal support. Liverpool's fans could be equally factual by replying that had anyone blinking might have missed any moments of quality from his team at home this season. As high-risk strategies go, complaining about supporters in times of turmoil is right up there.
Hodgson was a logical choice by Liverpool's board to succeed Rafael Benitez. Mature and experienced - not to mention manager of the year after taking Fulham to the Europa League final - he looked the perfect fit to oversee what would inevitably be a transitional period on and off the pitch.
It was an appointment, however, that was greeted with a wave of indifference by supporters who craved a more high-profile figure. Needing a fast start, Hodgson stumbled as events off the field conspired against him and he proved incapable of coaxing any consistency or quality out of the squad Benitez left behind.
The Carling Cup loss at home to Northampton knocked a hole in his credibility, a hole made bigger after being outplayed at Anfield by newly promoted Blackpool. Liverpool's dismal away form has not helped, while the Kop's corrosive reaction to the defeat against Wolves appears to have ensured the last droplets of support from the fans have drained away.
New signings - Raul Meireles apart - have been failures, while Hodgson's reign now carries all the hallmarks of one that will limp to a conclusion at some point between now and the season's end.
Hodgson - and he deserves sympathy here because he cannot pretend to be a personality that he is not - has failed to capture the imagination of Liverpool's supporters. They were angered by his tame reaction to Sir Alex Ferguson's criticism of Fernando Torres after the defeat at Manchester United as well as the cosmetics the former Inter Milan boss applied to Liverpool's display when they were well beaten at Everton.
Conservative tactics have also drawn criticism, while even victories over Chelsea only qualified as brief respite for the increasingly beleaguered Hodgson.
Liverpool owner Henry now faces a huge call. Does he react to such open discontent - not towards him or his NESV colleagues it should be stressed - by sacking his manager or does he continue to map out the long-term strategy and wait until the summer to make a change?
Whatever the American decides, it would take a transformation of almost unfathomable proportions for Hodgson to survive at Anfield any longer than the end of this season. The end may come even sooner if the current decline accelerates.
He was regarded as a safe pair of hands - not so safe as it has transpired - but the new owners have increased ambitions for Liverpool. What they have already been able to decipher means it is unlikely Hodgson will play a part in their vision for the years ahead.
The Kop has made it clear they want the return of Dalglish but the Scot would probably want to call all the shots himself and Henry has already made it clear Damien Comolli is his man as director of football strategy. So where would Dalglish fit in?
torrespa595.jpgStriker Torres is out of sorts and he continues to toil. Photo: PA
If Hodgson wants sympathy and understanding, then former Liverpool midfielder Jan Molby, a regular observer of Hodgson's reign this season as an expert BBC summariser and supporter of the club he represented with such distinction, has some to offer.
"I don't think Roy can be blamed totally for what has happened," said the Dane. "There are things you can't defend, like his signings and some of the performances. He knew Paul Konchesky and thought he would do a job but that hasn't worked out, while Christian Poulsen has found the Premier League too much for him.
"Joe Cole has been a major disappointment. Despite the delight from Liverpool's fans when he signed, I was never overexcited about him. I have never been convinced. He was on the bench at Chelsea and he has been on the bench for England. He is what he is - a subsitute who could have an impact coming on."
Molby imounted a defence for Hodgson as he added: "He inherited an unbalanced squad with no real wide men. Dirk Kuyt and Maxi Rodriguez play there and yet they have no real pace. They can't get behind defences and get crosses in.
"The striker situation was never addressed in terms of back-up to Torres. To go so many transfer windows without getting a striker in was criminal. Liverpool have paid the price.
"Almost the first thing he had to do was sell Javier Mascherano with little time to buy a replacement, although Meireles has shown his quality. To come to Liverpool, a club with high expectations, and know the squad is not what you need makes life very difficult.
"He has been unlucky with some of his big players as well. Steven Gerrard got injured playing for England, Torres just hasn't fired and now Jamie Carragher is out for three months. As I said, there are things you can't defend but there are other things that have been out of Hodgson's control."
How Hodgson turns around his deterioating relationship with Liverpool's fans is almost impossible to work out, unless he conjures up a string of results his current squad look totally ill-equipped to achieve.
"The relationship with the fans is a problem," said Molby. "The whole atmosphere at Anfield and the relationship between Roy and the fans is most unlike Liverpool. He never even got a welcome at his first game, which is almost unheard of for any new Liverpool manager.
"I was at that game at Arsenal and watched specifically for the reaction he got. Apart from a few people around the technical area, there was no reaction. The Wolves game was the first time Liverpool fans have chanted Hodgson's name - and it was only to be sarcastic, which is not a great sign.
"Maybe the fans were hoping for better. Over the last three years, when there was speculation about Benitez's future, there was talk of Guus Hiddink and Jose Mourinho. They were never going to come to Liverpool at the time Roy got the job.
"That is not to say Liverpool could not attract a top manager from abroad. I think Louis van Gaal would walk to Anfield to take the Liverpool job."
As the storm clouds gather around Hodgson, Molby believes Liverpool's new Boston-based hierarchy are more likely to take their time mapping out a long-term strategy rather than take the option of sacking the manager unless the situation deteriorates even more dramatically. It is a policy Molby agrees with.
"I think he should get more time," said Molby. "This is a bad, bad time to change managers unless the one you specifically want is out there walking around without a job. Who are they? They are Martin O'Neill, Frank Rijkaard, Sam Allardyce and Martin Jol, who wouldn't want to come and work with Comolli again after their time together at Spurs.
"This is a really important period for the new owners. They are assessing everything and I think there will be upheaval in the summer.
"I don't know whether this will include a change of manager but it might mean losing one or two players Liverpool might not want to lose, such as Torres and Pepe Reina, to bring some money in and to start rebuilding and overhauling things."
Hodgson faces the disaffected fans again when Bolton visit Anfield on New Year's Day. Another defeat will push him even closer to what seems to be an inevitable fate.
Re: Thanks for fuck all Roy, now FUCK OFF
why does Roy rub his face so much? Does he expect a genie to pop out of his backside and grant him 3 wishes?
why does Roy rub his face so much? Does he expect a genie to pop out of his backside and grant him 3 wishes?
Re: Thanks for fuck all Roy, now FUCK OFF
Budgie seemed a "logical choice"?
No he fucking didn't.
The only bellends who thought that were Purssslow and co, some mewling Media apologists, and a scattering of cretins.
95% of Liverpool fans didn't want him, and knew he'd be shite.
Logical choice my fucking ringpiece
Budgie seemed a "logical choice"?
No he fucking didn't.
The only bellends who thought that were Purssslow and co, some mewling Media apologists, and a scattering of cretins.
95% of Liverpool fans didn't want him, and knew he'd be shite.
Logical choice my fucking ringpiece
Re: Thanks for fuck all Roy, now FUCK OFF
[quote author=jono@home link=topic=43319.msg1239898#msg1239898 date=1293728003]
why does Roy rub his face so much? Does he expect a genie to pop out of his backside and grant him 3 wishes?
[/quote]
Haha.
I wouldn't be asking that genie for anything if I were Roy. Can you imagine how the genie would feel, having been banged up in there?
[quote author=jono@home link=topic=43319.msg1239898#msg1239898 date=1293728003]
why does Roy rub his face so much? Does he expect a genie to pop out of his backside and grant him 3 wishes?
[/quote]
Haha.
I wouldn't be asking that genie for anything if I were Roy. Can you imagine how the genie would feel, having been banged up in there?
Re: Thanks for fuck all Roy, now FUCK OFF
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43319.msg1239842#msg1239842 date=1293725144]
Managers don't make any difference. Wouldn't matter if Mourinho, Budgie or Avram Grant was in charge.
[/quote]
i've never appreciated the significance of that stat about hodgson's away form at fulham: it never appeared as a note to the financial statements in any of fulham's recent annual reports.
benitez is a cunt. i'm drooling again.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43319.msg1239842#msg1239842 date=1293725144]
Managers don't make any difference. Wouldn't matter if Mourinho, Budgie or Avram Grant was in charge.
[/quote]
i've never appreciated the significance of that stat about hodgson's away form at fulham: it never appeared as a note to the financial statements in any of fulham's recent annual reports.
benitez is a cunt. i'm drooling again.
Re: Thanks for fuck all Roy, now FUCK OFF
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=43319.msg1239920#msg1239920 date=1293731929]
Time for the owners to take a risk and hire a new man, and give him and Comolli plenty to spend?
[/quote]
The thing is, if they want a top top manager. He's already tied up to a club, and no one wants to go mid season.
Deschamps won't leave in january, neither will Klopp, Villas Boas or all the other sexy ones.
Owen Coyle maybe, Rikjaard is available.
It comes down to getting the right guy, or just someone to fill the gap left by the old manager.
It's extremely important that the next manager is someone who can stay here for a loooong period of time. We have to get this one right.
The only solution is probably Roy off and Kenny in for 6 months. But it doesn't look like Henry and co think that is a good idea.
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=43319.msg1239920#msg1239920 date=1293731929]
Time for the owners to take a risk and hire a new man, and give him and Comolli plenty to spend?
[/quote]
The thing is, if they want a top top manager. He's already tied up to a club, and no one wants to go mid season.
Deschamps won't leave in january, neither will Klopp, Villas Boas or all the other sexy ones.
Owen Coyle maybe, Rikjaard is available.
It comes down to getting the right guy, or just someone to fill the gap left by the old manager.
It's extremely important that the next manager is someone who can stay here for a loooong period of time. We have to get this one right.
The only solution is probably Roy off and Kenny in for 6 months. But it doesn't look like Henry and co think that is a good idea.
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But what the fuck do Henry and co actually know about anything?
But what the fuck do Henry and co actually know about anything?
Re: Thanks for fuck all Roy, now FUCK OFF
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43319.msg1239928#msg1239928 date=1293732657]
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=43319.msg1239920#msg1239920 date=1293731929]
Time for the owners to take a risk and hire a new man, and give him and Comolli plenty to spend?
[/quote]
The thing is, if they want a top top manager. He's already tied up to a club, and no one wants to go mid season.
Deschamps won't leave in january, neither will Klopp, Villas Boas or all the other sexy ones.
Owen Coyle maybe, Rikjaard is available.
It comes down to getting the right guy, or just someone to fill the gap left by the old manager.
It's extremely important that the next manager is someone who can stay here for a loooong period of time. We have to get this one right.
The only solution is probably Roy off and Kenny in for 6 months. But it doesn't look like Henry and co think that is a good idea.
[/quote]
why not? let's face it, you haven't got a clue either way, and neither have i.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43319.msg1239928#msg1239928 date=1293732657]
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=43319.msg1239920#msg1239920 date=1293731929]
Time for the owners to take a risk and hire a new man, and give him and Comolli plenty to spend?
[/quote]
The thing is, if they want a top top manager. He's already tied up to a club, and no one wants to go mid season.
Deschamps won't leave in january, neither will Klopp, Villas Boas or all the other sexy ones.
Owen Coyle maybe, Rikjaard is available.
It comes down to getting the right guy, or just someone to fill the gap left by the old manager.
It's extremely important that the next manager is someone who can stay here for a loooong period of time. We have to get this one right.
The only solution is probably Roy off and Kenny in for 6 months. But it doesn't look like Henry and co think that is a good idea.
[/quote]
why not? let's face it, you haven't got a clue either way, and neither have i.
Re: Thanks for fuck all Roy, now FUCK OFF
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=43319.msg1239930#msg1239930 date=1293733192]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43319.msg1239928#msg1239928 date=1293732657]
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=43319.msg1239920#msg1239920 date=1293731929]
Time for the owners to take a risk and hire a new man, and give him and Comolli plenty to spend?
[/quote]
The thing is, if they want a top top manager. He's already tied up to a club, and no one wants to go mid season.
Deschamps won't leave in january, neither will Klopp, Villas Boas or all the other sexy ones.
Owen Coyle maybe, Rikjaard is available.
It comes down to getting the right guy, or just someone to fill the gap left by the old manager.
It's extremely important that the next manager is someone who can stay here for a loooong period of time. We have to get this one right.
The only solution is probably Roy off and Kenny in for 6 months. But it doesn't look like Henry and co think that is a good idea.
[/quote]
why not? let's face it, you haven't got a clue either way, and neither have i.
[/quote]
Weeeeeell, he's in mid season with Marseille. Through to the last 16 in the CL and can win the French league. Why on earth should he leave now? You're right I don't know, but it's pretty common logical thinking.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=43319.msg1239930#msg1239930 date=1293733192]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43319.msg1239928#msg1239928 date=1293732657]
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=43319.msg1239920#msg1239920 date=1293731929]
Time for the owners to take a risk and hire a new man, and give him and Comolli plenty to spend?
[/quote]
The thing is, if they want a top top manager. He's already tied up to a club, and no one wants to go mid season.
Deschamps won't leave in january, neither will Klopp, Villas Boas or all the other sexy ones.
Owen Coyle maybe, Rikjaard is available.
It comes down to getting the right guy, or just someone to fill the gap left by the old manager.
It's extremely important that the next manager is someone who can stay here for a loooong period of time. We have to get this one right.
The only solution is probably Roy off and Kenny in for 6 months. But it doesn't look like Henry and co think that is a good idea.
[/quote]
why not? let's face it, you haven't got a clue either way, and neither have i.
[/quote]
Weeeeeell, he's in mid season with Marseille. Through to the last 16 in the CL and can win the French league. Why on earth should he leave now? You're right I don't know, but it's pretty common logical thinking.
Re: Thanks for fuck all Roy, now FUCK OFF
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43319.msg1239931#msg1239931 date=1293733223]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43319.msg1239929#msg1239929 date=1293732748]
But what the fuck do Henry and co actually know about anything?
[/quote]
Nothing. We're going to get relegated and wiped of the map.
[/quote]
Finally, exactly what Brendan has been praying he'd be told ... He was right all along. It's over
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43319.msg1239931#msg1239931 date=1293733223]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43319.msg1239929#msg1239929 date=1293732748]
But what the fuck do Henry and co actually know about anything?
[/quote]
Nothing. We're going to get relegated and wiped of the map.
[/quote]
Finally, exactly what Brendan has been praying he'd be told ... He was right all along. It's over
Re: Thanks for fuck all Roy, now FUCK OFF
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43319.msg1239932#msg1239932 date=1293733321]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=43319.msg1239930#msg1239930 date=1293733192]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43319.msg1239928#msg1239928 date=1293732657]
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=43319.msg1239920#msg1239920 date=1293731929]
Time for the owners to take a risk and hire a new man, and give him and Comolli plenty to spend?
[/quote]
The thing is, if they want a top top manager. He's already tied up to a club, and no one wants to go mid season.
Deschamps won't leave in january, neither will Klopp, Villas Boas or all the other sexy ones.
Owen Coyle maybe, Rikjaard is available.
It comes down to getting the right guy, or just someone to fill the gap left by the old manager.
It's extremely important that the next manager is someone who can stay here for a loooong period of time. We have to get this one right.
The only solution is probably Roy off and Kenny in for 6 months. But it doesn't look like Henry and co think that is a good idea.
[/quote]
why not? let's face it, you haven't got a clue either way, and neither have i.
[/quote]
Weeeeeell, he's in mid season with Marseille. Through to the last 16 in the CL and can win the French league. Why on earth should he leave now? You're right I don't know, but it's pretty common logical thinking.
[/quote]
sorry, i wasn't really referring to deschamps, as he's probably going to be toughest of those nuts to crack. the others though, i can only assume would jump at the chance of the liverpool job, and the timing of the offer (possibly never to be repeated, mind) is such a minor factor imo as to be basically irrelevant.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43319.msg1239932#msg1239932 date=1293733321]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=43319.msg1239930#msg1239930 date=1293733192]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43319.msg1239928#msg1239928 date=1293732657]
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=43319.msg1239920#msg1239920 date=1293731929]
Time for the owners to take a risk and hire a new man, and give him and Comolli plenty to spend?
[/quote]
The thing is, if they want a top top manager. He's already tied up to a club, and no one wants to go mid season.
Deschamps won't leave in january, neither will Klopp, Villas Boas or all the other sexy ones.
Owen Coyle maybe, Rikjaard is available.
It comes down to getting the right guy, or just someone to fill the gap left by the old manager.
It's extremely important that the next manager is someone who can stay here for a loooong period of time. We have to get this one right.
The only solution is probably Roy off and Kenny in for 6 months. But it doesn't look like Henry and co think that is a good idea.
[/quote]
why not? let's face it, you haven't got a clue either way, and neither have i.
[/quote]
Weeeeeell, he's in mid season with Marseille. Through to the last 16 in the CL and can win the French league. Why on earth should he leave now? You're right I don't know, but it's pretty common logical thinking.
[/quote]
sorry, i wasn't really referring to deschamps, as he's probably going to be toughest of those nuts to crack. the others though, i can only assume would jump at the chance of the liverpool job, and the timing of the offer (possibly never to be repeated, mind) is such a minor factor imo as to be basically irrelevant.
Re: Thanks for fuck all Roy, now FUCK OFF
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=43319.msg1239935#msg1239935 date=1293733519]
NESV's lack of action is a bit worrying. Theyre not looking much like saviours right now
[/quote]
What's frustrating is that they said they would listen to the fans, while the likes of SOS and co are just mentalists, last nights antics were pretty unanimous, so action in some form (well, hopefully the boot) is necessary. Their silence is worrying. I know they said they didn't want to jump into decisions without having had the opportunity to get a feel for the club and how things are done, but surely it must have been made obvious to them that things are going drastically the wrong way.
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=43319.msg1239935#msg1239935 date=1293733519]
NESV's lack of action is a bit worrying. Theyre not looking much like saviours right now
[/quote]
What's frustrating is that they said they would listen to the fans, while the likes of SOS and co are just mentalists, last nights antics were pretty unanimous, so action in some form (well, hopefully the boot) is necessary. Their silence is worrying. I know they said they didn't want to jump into decisions without having had the opportunity to get a feel for the club and how things are done, but surely it must have been made obvious to them that things are going drastically the wrong way.
Re: Thanks for fuck all Roy, now FUCK OFF
Yeah I figured. It's the same with the most of them though. Villas Boas can win his first title with Porto, they have a fantastic possibilty to do a excellent season at home and in Europe.
Klopp has Dortmund 10 points a head before the Christmas break. Believe me he wants to win the Bundesliga with that young squad over anything.
The top young managers we are supposedly looking at arent available. Maybe Quiche Flores or Emry are, but why settle for nr 2 if they have found a manager they really think can turn us into title challengers again.
Yeah I figured. It's the same with the most of them though. Villas Boas can win his first title with Porto, they have a fantastic possibilty to do a excellent season at home and in Europe.
Klopp has Dortmund 10 points a head before the Christmas break. Believe me he wants to win the Bundesliga with that young squad over anything.
The top young managers we are supposedly looking at arent available. Maybe Quiche Flores or Emry are, but why settle for nr 2 if they have found a manager they really think can turn us into title challengers again.
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