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Rosco

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The league data.


Teams that changed midway:
Chelsea, spent loads during the summer. Both Di Matteo and Rafa managed roughly an average of two points a game out of the squad.

Sunderland - 7 games, 8 points under Di Canio . 32 points from 31 games under O'Neill.

Southampton - Adkins 23 points in 22 games. Pocchetino 16 games, 18 points.

QPR - 4 points from 12 games under Mark Hughes. Appointed Harry and spent 20m in the transfer window. Netting them 21 points in 36 games.

Teams that changed during the summer:

Tottenham - sacked Harry after finishing 4th with 69 points. Appointed AVB, they finish 5th with 72 points.

Liverpool - 8th with 52 points under Kenny, spent significantly in the windows and finished 7th with 61 points under Rodgers.

West Brom - 10th with 47 points under Hodgson, 8th with 49 points under Clarke.

Swansea - 11th with 47 points under Rodgers. 9th with 46 points under Laudrup.

Aston Villa - 16th with 38 points under McLeish, 15th with 41 points under Lambert after spending 20m net.
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Questions.

Does Di Matteo = Benitez ?

Does Di Canio = O'Neill ?

Does Pocchetino = Adkins ?

Does Harry = AVB ?

Does Hodgson = Clarke ?

Does Rodgers = Laudrup ?

Does McLeish = Lambert ?

If Laudrup = Rodgers, and Rodgers = Kenny, and Kenny = Rafa, doesn't that mean Laudrup = Rafa ?
 
I guess next season's transitions at Utd and Everton will be interesting to see, do you think they'll both finish in similar positions to now Ross?
 
Out of all those, it looks like Rodgers is the only one that made a difference 😉
 
It's kind of mad really to see that nothing changed.. It almost supports the controversial point that...who was it who said...
 
Spionkop69 said:
Close to what? Celebrating like Arsenal?
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It's odd - I know I'd have been ecstatic to finish 4th (esp after the season they had), but some of their celebrations seemed ridiculous ... like it really is their trophy every year.

That being said - Neville was bang on about them on Sky. They've almost paid off all their stadium debt, and if they can just make that push forward now and spend big, they're likely to be a dominant force (having done it the right way)
 
all will either tail off or improve though, there's no real case for things staying the way they are after a season, because money spent is probably counterbalanced by transition. Over (say) 3 years you should probably have more of an idea if you're going places - otherwise that theory would state that if the rate of spending stays the same, the return will too. Lets see where they are in a year.
 
Jack D Rips said:
If we could get back in the top four I think I would be very happy
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I'd be happy too, but celebrating it like a trophy or as if they'd never been in the European cup before? Fuck that. It was embarrassing and every Arsenal fan I've seen this morning has said the same.

Aspiring to 4th place...the pinnacle of success. Well done Arsenal.
 
I agree totally. But I suspect that if we beat Everton to fourth place on the last day of the season there would be an element of celebration too.
 
To be fair, besides 4th spot and CL qualification, there's obviously local pride at stake. Not to forget that at one stage in time, Spurs were 7 points clear in March after beating Arsenal in the derby. Also did fantastically well to bounce back from all the disappointments and critics to win 23 out of a possible 27 points over the past 9 matches (11W 3D 1L in last 15).
 
localny said:
It's kind of mad really to see that nothing changed.. It almost supports the controversial point that...who was it who said...
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Almost supports?

It's interesting that the usual suspects are missing from this thread.
 
Is Rodgers the only manager to perform better than expected?

I wonder can he keep of the improvement he's making with the squad.
 
Spionkop69 said:
I'd be happy too, but celebrating it like a trophy or as if they'd never been in the European cup before? Fuck that. It was embarrassing and every Arsenal fan I've seen this morning has said the same.

Aspiring to 4th place...the pinnacle of success. Well done Arsenal.
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A 60,000 seat stadium with the debts almost gone.
Constant CL football year after year.
Finishing above their local rivals.

I think I'd celebrate like we'd won a trophy if we ended a season in that position any time soon.
 
Celebration is a too strong a word, but we shouldn't underestimate how important CL football is for a club like us: lacking an oil tycoon backing them

It's the next step this club has to aspire to and achieving it would be extremely satisfying.
 
Didn't Chelsea change managers and end up 3rd instead of fifth? But your thesis is supported outside of this Chelsea example, which is intriguing. Ironic, that Rafa was the exception.
 
The way Wenger celebrated was the low point on a final day that generally was incredibly downbeat and depressing. The man has gone from treating winning the title unbeaten as a mildly diverting day at the office to leaping around like a loon for finishing fourth. Vomit-inducing nonsense.
 
localny said:
Didn't Chelsea change managers and end up 3rd instead of fifth? But your thesis is supported outside of this Chelsea example, which is intriguing. Ironic, that Rafa was the exception.
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He's not the exception. I would have thought it was obvious that the money spent in the summer was the difference.

That his and Di Matteos points were the same while having a virtually identical squad is the important bit.
 
They spent the same amount last season. Rafa got 11 more points and 3rd.
Rodgers got 9 points more than Kenny.
AVB improved Spurs and lost Modric.
Di Canio hasnt been there enough games.
Lambert has changed nearly the entire first eleven and given youth a go.

This thread doesnt prove anything.
 
gkmacca said:
The way Wenger celebrated was the low point on a final day that generally was incredibly downbeat and depressing. The man has gone from treating winning the title unbeaten as a mildly diverting day at the office to leaping around like a loon for finishing fourth. Vomit-inducing nonsense.
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I know - didn't they used to be a contenda.
 
Hansern said:
They spent the same amount last season. Rafa got 11 more points and 3rd.
Rodgers got 9 points more than Kenny.
AVB improved Spurs and lost Modric.
Di Canio hasnt been there enough games.
Lambert has changed nearly the entire first eleven and given youth a go.

This thread doesnt prove anything.
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@ Rosco, he has a point. The Rafa and Rodgers points are accurate. I think your other examples can still be read though.
 
localny said:
@ Rosco, he has a point. The Rafa and Rodgers points are accurate. I think your other examples can still be read though.
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He doesn't.

The argument is that when you equalise all other factors there isn't any evidence that a manager doing his coaching, tactics and all that nonsense is any bettered worse than anyone else.

Both Chelsea and us improved because of the money spent. Not the manager.

In Chelseas case both Rafa and Di Matteo won exactly the same number of average points per game, working in almost indentical circumstances. It's the strongest point in support of the argument. (Which is not a controversial point, but a proven statistical fact)
 
Rosco said:
He doesn't.

The argument is that when you equalise all other factors there isn't any evidence that a manager doing his coaching, tactics and all that nonsense is any bettered worse than anyone else.

Both Chelsea and us improved because of the money spent. Not the manager.

In Chelseas case both Rafa and Di Matteo won exactly the same number of average points per game, working in almost indentical circumstances. It's the strongest point in support of the argument. (Which is not a controversial point, but a proven statistical fact)
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Weird.. Both us and Chelsea spent a shitload in 2011, only to finish with less points and lower position in 2012 than in the previous season.
Is it better to ignore that one?
 
I also notice that last season Swansea with Rodgers finished 5 points below us. This season with Laudrup they finished 15 points below us.
 
Dont talk sense Binny!
Or mention the fact that Chelsea and Liverpool spent nearly the exact same amount of money in 2011/12.
 
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