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The Nomad

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Pep Linjder has said VAR should be a team of people.

I've thought something similar for a while.

For me it should be a team of 3, made up from a current referee, a former referee and an ex professional (who has passed all the relevant courses).

If a team of 3 can't agree on subjective decisions within a time frame (say 45 seconds from the first replay available to them),

1/3 think the decision should be looked at again - stay with on field decision

2/3 think the decision should be looked at again - they should invite the on field referee over to a monitor and explain what they are looking at.

3/3 think the decision should be looked at again - decision reversed automatically.

Would reduce the amount of baffling decisions we are seeing at the moment.
 
The Nomad said:
Pep Linjder has said VAR should be a team of people.

I've thought something similar for a while.

For me it should be a team of 3, made up from a current referee, a former referee and an ex professional (who has passed all the relevant courses).

If a team of 3 can't agree on subjective decisions within a time frame (say 45 seconds from the first replay available to them),

1/3 think the decision should be looked at again - stay with on field decision

2/3 think the decision should be looked at again - they should invite the on field referee over to a monitor and explain what they are looking at.

3/3 think the decision should be looked at again - decision reversed automatically.

Would reduce the amount of baffling decisions we are seeing at the moment.
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How about they train referees better? Regular audit of games and then made to have Q and A with the press.
 
bluebell said:
How about they train referees better? Regular audit of games and then made to have Q and A with the press.
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Like I said in another thread. We have been abusing referees from grass roots upwards for too long.

The talent pool is so low that all your left with are narcissist and often poor referees, that no amount if training will improve them.

Agree with the Q&A transparency it baffles me that there has been resistance for so long.
 
Beamrider said:
Or they could just tie Paul Tierney and whoever the VAR was on Sunday to a post in Williamson Square and turn all the CCTV cameras off for 30 minutes.
That should improve the quality of decisions massively.
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Ah here, that's a bit harsh.
What about all the people that want to watch the entertainment ?
Leave the CCTV on I say.
 
The Nomad said:
Like I said in another thread. We have been abusing referees from grass roots upwards for too long.

The talent pool is so low that all your left with are narcissist and often poor referees, that no amount if training will improve them.

Agree with the Q&A transparency it baffles me that there has been resistance for so long.
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Or train them better and they’re treated with more respect from the top down.
 
The Nomad said:
Like I said in another thread. We have been abusing referees from grass roots upwards for too long.

The talent pool is so low that all your left with are narcissist and often poor referees, that no amount if training will improve them.

Agree with the Q&A transparency it baffles me that there has been resistance for so long.
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That’s very true actually. It’s a thankless job really. Who the fuck would want to be a ref? Yep - agree about the 3 people thing. It will take an age to come to a decision though.
 
Red Astaire said:
That’s very true actually. It’s a thankless job really. Who the fuck would want to be a ref? Yep - agree about the 3 people thing. It will take an age to come to a decision though.
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That's why you need a cut off of say 45 seconds. They can keep playing if the ball is in play. Almost like a DRS timer in cricket. When the time is up, there is a decision on the screen like they do currently.

If the ball is out of play obviously they can hold the play up. Like they do now.

If the person doesn't lock in a decision, their vote automatically stays with 'on field decision' as it wouldn't be a clear and obvious errror from their perspective.
 
Red Astaire said:
That’s very true actually. It’s a thankless job really. Who the fuck would want to be a ref? Yep - agree about the 3 people thing. It will take an age to come to a decision though.
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Men who enjoy being the centre of attention, but don’t necessarily have the talent to get there on merit.
 
The Nomad said:
Like I said in another thread. We have been abusing referees from grass roots upwards for too long.

The talent pool is so low that all your left with are narcissist and often poor referees, that no amount if training will improve them.

Agree with the Q&A transparency it baffles me that there has been resistance for so long.
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If the Refs aren't upto standard then the clubs need to make their opinions known.
 
The Nomad said:
That's why you need a cut off of say 45 seconds. They can keep playing if the ball is in play. Almost like a DRS timer in cricket. When the time is up, there is a decision on the screen like they do currently.

If the ball is out of play obviously they can hold the play up. Like they do now.

If the person doesn't lock in a decision, their vote automatically stays with 'on field decision' as it wouldn't be a clear and obvious errror from their perspective.
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Whilst all of that is completely sensible, total common sense, logical and fair. There is not a chance in hell that would ever happen. Which begs the question.... Who decided it is a per-requisite 'given' that you have to be a complete fucking moron in order to be in a position where you might find yourself able to enforce a radical change for purely logical reasons? 'Moron' (sic) being exactly that. 'They'(sic) put moron's in charge as they know full well that 'logical change' won't happen. ....... Lizards the lot of them! 😉
 
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Some people revel in the abuse.

For example:
Jon Moss
Mark Halsey
David Coote
Paul Tierney
Jose Mourinho
The Eurythmics
 
That kind of makes the point.

The kind of people who can handle the abuse, are not all that normal.

I have sympathy for the onfield refs most of the time. It's a very tough job in stressful circumstances. But the VAR efforts are just pathetic.
 
I still think the biggest problem is that they are afraid to admit they made a mistake, and afraid to overrule their own, as it implies they made a mistake.

If they just grew up & accepted that on field refs may miss things, and use VAR to correct that, then it would be fine. Tierney can say he didnt see the full impact of Kane's tackle, or thought that Jota dived, and that is perfectly fine if VAR does what it is supposed to do and correct those mistakes. But no, he tries to make excuses for obviously wrong decisions and VAR fail to intervene as it would look bad for him. Then they add salt to the wound by deciding they will intervene on just one occasion after all ...
 
The Nomad said:
Yes, but for the abuse they got and get almost daily. And their families. There isn't a cat in hells chance I'd do it for that.

Surely I'm not alone in that thinking?
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They wouldn’t get abuse if they didn’t make glaring errors and actually had correct support from var.
 
The PL can afford to pay more, but the refs then would have to commit to refereeing full time (no second job) . Which includes going over games, Q&As, looking at inconsistencies, and training the next batch.
Apparently there are no BAME refs in the PL, why is that?
 
The PL can afford to pay more, but the refs then would have to commit to refereeing full time (no second job) . Which includes going over games, Q&As, looking at inconsistencies, and training the next batch.
Apparently there are no BAME refs in the PL, why is that?
 
bluebell said:
The PL can afford to pay more, but the refs then would have to commit to refereeing full time (no second job) . Which includes going over games, Q&As, looking at inconsistencies, and training the next batch.
Apparently there are no BAME refs in the PL, why is that?
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They are full time.

Oh and BAME is no longer PC.
 
tombrown said:
I still think the biggest problem is that they are afraid to admit they made a mistake, and afraid to overrule their own, as it implies they made a mistake.

If they just grew up & accepted that on field refs may miss things, and use VAR to correct that, then it would be fine. Tierney can say he didnt see the full impact of Kane's tackle, or thought that Jota dived, and that is perfectly fine if VAR does what it is supposed to do and correct those mistakes. But no, he tries to make excuses for obviously wrong decisions and VAR fail to intervene as it would look bad for him. Then they add salt to the wound by deciding they will intervene on just one occasion after all ...
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It's scant compensation but nonetheless delightful to see him getting torn to shreds by all and sundry.
 
bluebell said:
The PL can afford to pay more, but the refs then would have to commit to refereeing full time (no second job) . Which includes going over games, Q&As, looking at inconsistencies, and training the next batch.
Apparently there are no BAME refs in the PL, why is that?
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So right you said it twice 🙂
 
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