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Dreambeliever said:
Nice to see everyone coming around to my way of thinking regarding him 2 years later.
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Hardly a waste of space. Injury prone, yes, but he's in a team playing the wrong kinda football for him. Put him in the right team and he'll score twenty a season.
 
Doesnt it say that West Ham would like to receive 32 mill? Thats never gonna happen.
 
redhorizon2 said:
So according to the papers (so you have to take it with a pinch of salt). They want to sell Carroll for £32m and buy Studge for £25m. Studge should fetch more than Carroll, and if the people responsible for negotiation of fee's cannot get a figure better than West Ham get for Carroll, I will go DT and Troopz on them.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfer-news-rumours-west-10013904
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It is Down to several factors as contract situation etc. However I don't fucking care what they get for Carrol if they just buy Sturridge.
 
When he's fully fit he's a 40-50m player.

Unfortunately that's only been in an eighth of his time here.
 
binomial said:
When he's fully fit he's a 40-50m player.

Unfortunately that's only been in an eighth of his time here.
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He was worth 50m during the years when Suarez was around. Now, even when fit, i will bite the hands off anyone offering 25-30m.

He's lost his burst of acceleration. He can't sprint all out. He has no work rate. He still has his shuffle, his instinct and that shot which needs little backlift though. In other words, he doesn't suit us.
 
mom said:
Hardly a waste of space. Injury prone, yes, but he's in a team playing the wrong kinda football for him. Put him in the right team and he'll score twenty a season.
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No he wont because he's never fit enough to play the amount of games it takes to score 20.

In any case what he does after LFC I couldn't care less about, fact is he isn't doing it here and we should have sold him long ago.
 
Dreambeliever said:
No he wont because he's never fit enough to play the amount of games it takes to score 20.

In any case what he does after LFC I couldn't care less about, fact is he isn't doing it here and we should have sold him long ago.
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The same was said of van Persie when he left arsenal about injuries etc. Look at what happened there at Utd.
Of course, he has injury issues, but he's also being played in a system that just doesn't suit him at all and one which is physically intensive so of course he's going to get more injuries. If he's a waste of space as you say, that's not all down to him. I would be surprised to see him move somewhere else next season and see him score more than any of our players.
 
Why wouldn't the Chinese want Sturridge? If they are willing to pay £32m for brittle Carroll, surely Sturridge is worth way more.
 
gkmacca said:
He's a fascinating case study, really. I mean, with that sublime talent, and at that age, you'd think he'd be visibly going nuts dealing with the stalling of his Liverpool and England career - it's as if one minute, he was flying high, then someone flicked a switch and he stopped - but he just wanders about as if he's got thirty years of playing ahead of him. Maybe deep inside he's absolutely devastated, but he sure as hell hides it well.
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Yep, this.
 
mom said:
The same was said of van Persie when he left arsenal about injuries etc. Look at what happened there at Utd.
Of course, he has injury issues, but he's also being played in a system that just doesn't suit him at all and one which is physically intensive so of course he's going to get more injuries. If he's a waste of space as you say, that's not all down to him. I would be surprised to see him move somewhere else next season and see him score more than any of our players.
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RVP's was the exception that proves the rule plus he was a better player than Sturridge on every level playing in a title winning side.

You really think Sturridge is gonna hit 20 goals at West Ham?

In any case even if he does who cares, we can agree that whatever happens he's never gonna do it at Liverpool so having him here is a waste of time and he should be moved on.

What he may or may not do elsewhere shouldn't come into it.
 
Dreambeliever said:
RVP's was the exception that proves the rule plus he was a better player than Sturridge on every level playing in a title winning side.

You really think Sturridge is gonna hit 20 goals at West Ham?

In any case even if he does who cares, we can agree that whatever happens he's never gonna do it at Liverpool so having him here is a waste of time and he should be moved on.

What he may or may not do elsewhere shouldn't come into it.
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But it does when you're claiming he's a waste of space. That's like buying Pirlo and playing him in our system and saying he's a waste of space.
And you've completely and utterly missed the point with regards to RVP. Completely. The point is that he had real and persistent injury issues which then cleared for an entire season. and he regained real form.
As for never being able to hit 20 a season, he's always had injury issues and he hit 21 in the 13-14 system.
 
mom said:
But it does when you're claiming he's a waste of space. That's like buying Pirlo and playing him in our system and saying he's a waste of space.
And you've completely and utterly missed the point with regards to RVP. Completely. The point is that he had real and persistent injury issues which then cleared for an entire season. and he regained real form.
As for never being able to hit 20 a season, he's always had injury issues and he hit 21 in the 13-14 system.
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His attitude also stinks but to clarify when I talk about our players I only refer to them in their capacity to perform for Liverpool and in that regard he is a complete and utter waste of space and has been for a while.

And you may want to have a look at that awful record he had before Utd because it was pretty fucking good.

His last season for Arsenal

38 games 30 goals

The season before that?

25 games 18 goals.

The comparison is lazy and incorrect, Sturridge's case is nothing like RVP

He actually scored less at Utd

In the 3 seasons prior to going to Utd he played 6 games less in the league but scored 9 more goals than his following 3 at Utd.

This idea that he was always injured and resurrected his career at Utd and stayed injury free is rubbish.
 
Van Persie had two "injury free" seasons, his last at Arsenal and the first at Utd. Thats the only two seasons in England were he was involved in more than 30 league games. Van Persie always had injury issues prior and after those two years. Nothing like Sturridge though. Sturridge has been involved in 113 games in the last 6 years.
 
only dreamy could argue that rvp didn't have his arsenal career largely ruined by injury.
 
Yes, our usual problem is that we stick with players way to long hoping hoping hoping they get better.

It's just not worth the risk with this guy anymore. We need someone less injury prone. That can work with the system.
 
Dreambeliever said:
His attitude also stinks but to clarify when I talk about our players I only refer to them in their capacity to perform for Liverpool and in that regard he is a complete and utter waste of space and has been for a while.

And you may want to have a look at that awful record he had before Utd because it was pretty fucking good.

His last season for Arsenal

38 games 30 goals

The season before that?

25 games 18 goals.

The comparison is lazy and incorrect, Sturridge's case is nothing like RVP

He actually scored less at Utd

In the 3 seasons prior to going to Utd he played 6 games less in the league but scored 9 more goals than his following 3 at Utd.

This idea that he was always injured and resurrected his career at Utd and stayed injury free is rubbish.
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I have literally no idea whatsoever why you're banging on about his goal tally.
I'm on about his injury issues at arsenal which as other posters have pointed out is hardly great. He never played more than 28 apps In a season and was as low as 15 one season. Dodgy, like studge. And then, he goes on to have two seasons where he plays every game.
The point is, he was, like studge, a top drawer striker who had injury issues then cleared up. So what's to say studge can't do the same.
Two whole seasons of banging them in out of nowhere.
 
I am surprised any of us still want him around. He has had just one good season and poor game availability overall. Sometimes i forget that he is still a member of our squad such has been his injury record.

There is no place for him in our squad and despite his absence we are still the top goal scorers in the league plus when he did have his moment to shine this season there was NOTHING special to be seen to even warrant the fear that some of you are indicating. Please get a grip i mean we always think its the end of the world when our strikers leave us but in reality the next one is always better
 
Okay now I'm totally lost. I'm leaving this thread for rhe sake of my mental health.
 
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