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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35639.msg938466#msg938466 date=1252051272]
It is, but in the mean time we should not be using Lucas in place of Xabi, or hould that be Aquilani, and things need to change until he is fit. If Aquilani does not deliver we will have to rethink, but I firmly believe if we carry on with Masher and Lucas in the middle our tenuous title hopes will be blown out of the water by the end of October.
If that does happen and Aquilani does not fit or takes too long to settle and or Torres is missing for any time, we will struggle to qualify for the CL, there is a lot of competition around this year, and our squad if wafer thin.
Doing something positive now is crucial.

regards

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I'm not as downbeat as you. We've been creating plenty of chances in fact slightly more than in equivalent games last season. Actually as the games have gone so far this season if I had the choice of replaying them with either Xabi back or Sami back. I'd choose Sami.
 
needs to happen but rafa won't drop his love child lucas just to prove a point. he persevered with kuyt and long term it has worked but it cost us the best part of a season.

yossi interchanging with kuyt and riera and gerrard controlling the midfield is the best we can an should do until aquaman is fit and slowly introduced.
 
[quote author=drizzt link=topic=35639.msg938471#msg938471 date=1252051548]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35639.msg938466#msg938466 date=1252051272]
It is, but in the mean time we should not be using Lucas in place of Xabi, or hould that be Aquilani, and things need to change until he is fit. If Aquilani does not deliver we will have to rethink, but I firmly believe if we carry on with Masher and Lucas in the middle our tenuous title hopes will be blown out of the water by the end of October.
If that does happen and Aquilani does not fit or takes too long to settle and or Torres is missing for any time, we will struggle to qualify for the CL, there is a lot of competition around this year, and our squad if wafer thin.
Doing something positive now is crucial.

regards

[/quote]

I'm not as downbeat as you. We've been creating plenty of chances in fact slightly more than in equivalent games last season. Actually as the games have gone so far this season if I had the choice of replaying them with either Xabi back or Sami back. I'd choose Sami.
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Well I sat at the Villa game and saw us struggle badly against a very average side, I also looked at the bench to see who was going to pull us out of the shit, guess what there was no one. I am not saying Xabi is missed himself, but someone able to play with some creativity.
We do miss Sami.

I would like to believe your stats on our chances Drizz, but I just can't.

regards
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35639.msg938476#msg938476 date=1252052099]
[quote author=drizzt link=topic=35639.msg938471#msg938471 date=1252051548]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35639.msg938466#msg938466 date=1252051272]
It is, but in the mean time we should not be using Lucas in place of Xabi, or hould that be Aquilani, and things need to change until he is fit. If Aquilani does not deliver we will have to rethink, but I firmly believe if we carry on with Masher and Lucas in the middle our tenuous title hopes will be blown out of the water by the end of October.
If that does happen and Aquilani does not fit or takes too long to settle and or Torres is missing for any time, we will struggle to qualify for the CL, there is a lot of competition around this year, and our squad if wafer thin.
Doing something positive now is crucial.

regards

[/quote]

I'm not as downbeat as you. We've been creating plenty of chances in fact slightly more than in equivalent games last season. Actually as the games have gone so far this season if I had the choice of replaying them with either Xabi back or Sami back. I'd choose Sami.
[/quote]

Well I sat at the Villa game and saw us struggle badly against a very average side, I also looked at the bench to see who was going to pull us out of the shit, guess what there was no one. I am not saying Xabi is missed himself, but someone able to play with some creativity.
We do miss Sami.

I would like to believe your stats on our chances Drizz, but I just can't.

regards
[/quote]

hehe I know I'm out on my own with this one. Try some affirmations.

Babel will...err,
Lucas wil...err,
 
DB, I really really can not see Gerrard being moved deeper and Yossi being moved behind Torres, even though we all think it's probably the best solution. More chance of hell freezing over methinks.
 
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=35639.msg938502#msg938502 date=1252054338]
It is two internsationals in between. My guess is that the team will pick itself after these ones!
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Yep, and no doubt Yossi will have a stinker and Gerrard will score playing just behind rooney.
 
I'd also put Pacheco on the bench to come on behind Torres for the last 10/20 mins of most games. Benyanoon could easily shift right if Kuyt isn't being effective.

Of course, once Aquilani is fit, Stevie behind Torres is the only way to go.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35639.msg938454#msg938454 date=1252050517]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35639.msg938447#msg938447 date=1252050280]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35639.msg938446#msg938446 date=1252050050]
[quote author=drizzt link=topic=35639.msg938443#msg938443 date=1252049006]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=35639.msg938437#msg938437 date=1252048255]
We didnt have a midfield to dominate.

With Stevie playing so high (not necc wrong) & the others constantly looking to play the ball anywhere but through the centre we simply surrendered the space time & again .
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See I've noticed Stevie dropping back a lot him and Lucas have been swapping roles and it's been noticable late in games that Stevie is dropping back and trying the hollywoods again. Look at the Torres goal against Bolton again. Kuyt, Torres and Lucas in the box. Stevie deeper and playing the ball over the top. If Aquilani is half what Rafa says he is that kind of fluidity will be great.

Chelsea this season show stark contrast to that, cos they're playing without & out & out central MF player, yet due to their movement & where they play the ball control the centre of the park more effectively. We play with at least one more player in the central position than they do yet havent been using or trying to use that space. I get the feeling Rafa is pinning his hopes on us playing through the wings most of the time, or using Aquilani, & there's there's no Plan C to back up Plan A or B.
Click to expand...

Every time he mentions Aquilani it's closely followed by "killer ball", "through ball" or "long shot", so it seems he's hoping Aquilani will be the threat through the middle from deeper than Gerrard. If it works out that way we'll have pretty good penetration from most places.
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I don't think that is some clever tactical switch Drizz, I think it is Gerrard, having to come deeper to collect the ball.

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to be fair he doesn't 'have' to come deep to collect the ball, he chooses to. maybe he feels the ball will never reach him if he doesn't go fetch it himself.
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That's the same thing you fucking pedant

regards
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ohhh! look at you, you're in a good mood today.
 
[quote author=Mors link=topic=35639.msg938513#msg938513 date=1252055043]
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=35639.msg938502#msg938502 date=1252054338]
It is two internsationals in between. My guess is that the team will pick itself after these ones!
[/quote]

Yep, and no doubt Yossi will have a stinker and Gerrard will score playing just behind rooney.
[/quote]

If both returns fit I would be more than happy!
 
Yossi behind Torres with Stevie dropping back at the expense of Lucas is so clear and obvious that Rafa doesn't see it. The team would benefit massively from it.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35639.msg938536#msg938536 date=1252056514]
sorry did I miss this off 😉

regards
[/quote]

it's a sad day when vlad 'the unflappable' quiff loses his cool 😉
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35639.msg938552#msg938552 date=1252057247]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35639.msg938536#msg938536 date=1252056514]
sorry did I miss this off 😉

regards
[/quote]

it's a sad day when vlad 'the unflappable' quiff loses his cool 😉
[/quote]

Not really, I am a cantankerous old twat really, and widely known for it in the real world....I just make allowances on here .

The question is did I really miss the smiley by accident ?

regards
 
[quote author=Stu link=topic=35639.msg938543#msg938543 date=1252056846]
Yossi behind Torres with Stevie dropping back at the expense of Lucas is so clear and obvious that Rafa doesn't see it. The team would benefit massively from it.
[/quote]
I reckon we'll see this a lot in future homegames really depending on Aquilani's impact.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35639.msg938446#msg938446 date=1252050050]


I don't think that is some clever tactical switch Drizz, I think it is Gerrard, having to come deeper to collect the ball.

Sorry , but at the moment is it evident that the midfield is not creating enough, that is not the fault of Lucas and Masher, it's just they are not that type of player, it is going backwards and sideways so much both Torres and Gerrard are having to come back deeper looking for the ball.
DB is right, for the greater good, for the time being at least Gerrard needs to come back into midfield. Either in the formation that DB suggests or actually playing two up front with Kuyt.

The set piece thing is something different all together and has been an issue for too long now. We only looked slightly more comfortable when Sami was there.

regards


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Agreed.

442 would mean changing our style of play so I went with sticking the same formation and replacing the ineffective Lucas with the superb Central Gerrard and replacing the magical link Gerrard with the very effective link Yossi.

Either move is better than what we have now. I agree with Mark about set pieces but the simple fact is we are conceding alot more ball and sitting deeper and deeper inviting teams onto us and hence giving away more set pieces.

Don't forget that after Masher Gerrard is easily the most aggresive player we have when he wants to be and would tackle like a demon in the center.

All in all we need him in there for the next 6 games until Aquaman is fully fit and proves he can step in to a massive void left by Xabi.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35639.msg938447#msg938447 date=1252050280]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35639.msg938446#msg938446 date=1252050050]
[quote author=drizzt link=topic=35639.msg938443#msg938443 date=1252049006]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=35639.msg938437#msg938437 date=1252048255]
We didnt have a midfield to dominate.

With Stevie playing so high (not necc wrong) & the others constantly looking to play the ball anywhere but through the centre we simply surrendered the space time & again .
[/quote]

See I've noticed Stevie dropping back a lot him and Lucas have been swapping roles and it's been noticable late in games that Stevie is dropping back and trying the hollywoods again. Look at the Torres goal against Bolton again. Kuyt, Torres and Lucas in the box. Stevie deeper and playing the ball over the top. If Aquilani is half what Rafa says he is that kind of fluidity will be great.

Chelsea this season show stark contrast to that, cos they're playing without & out & out central MF player, yet due to their movement & where they play the ball control the centre of the park more effectively. We play with at least one more player in the central position than they do yet havent been using or trying to use that space. I get the feeling Rafa is pinning his hopes on us playing through the wings most of the time, or using Aquilani, & there's there's no Plan C to back up Plan A or B.
Click to expand...

Every time he mentions Aquilani it's closely followed by "killer ball", "through ball" or "long shot", so it seems he's hoping Aquilani will be the threat through the middle from deeper than Gerrard. If it works out that way we'll have pretty good penetration from most places.
[/quote]

I don't think that is some clever tactical switch Drizz, I think it is Gerrard, having to come deeper to collect the ball.

[/quote]

to be fair he doesn't 'have' to come deep to collect the ball, he chooses to. maybe he feels the ball will never reach him if he doesn't go fetch it himself.
[/quote]

Which is exactly my point. Our best player is being starved of the ball instead of being the one on the ball the most.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35639.msg938466#msg938466 date=1252051272]
It is, but in the mean time we should not be using Lucas in place of Xabi, or hould that be Aquilani, and things need to change until he is fit. If Aquilani does not deliver we will have to rethink, but I firmly believe if we carry on with Masher and Lucas in the middle our tenuous title hopes will be blown out of the water by the end of October.
If that does happen and Aquilani does not fit or takes too long to settle and or Torres is missing for any time, we will struggle to qualify for the CL, there is a lot of competition around this year, and our squad if wafer thin.
Doing something positive now is crucial.

regards

[/quote]

Agree completely and no it doesn't make me a non fan just the way we are looking of late.

I really hope Rafa see's we need to change things.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35639.msg938601#msg938601 date=1252059471]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35639.msg938552#msg938552 date=1252057247]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35639.msg938536#msg938536 date=1252056514]
sorry did I miss this off 😉

regards
[/quote]

it's a sad day when vlad 'the unflappable' quiff loses his cool 😉
[/quote]

Not really, I am a cantankerous old twat really, and widely known for it in the real world....I just make allowances on here .

The question is did I really miss the smiley by accident ?

regards
[/quote]

ha ha I'm sure you didn't 😉
 
[quote author=Stu link=topic=35639.msg938543#msg938543 date=1252056846]
Yossi behind Torres with Stevie dropping back at the expense of Lucas is so clear and obvious that Rafa doesn't see it. The team would benefit massively from it.
[/quote]

Yes. Hopefully Benitez will abandon his little project regarding Lucas.
 
I don't buy into the theory that we can't lose another game all season if we want to win the league. Cutting out all the draws from last year will help enormously.
 
[quote author=Ossi link=topic=35639.msg938660#msg938660 date=1252065438]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=35639.msg938543#msg938543 date=1252056846]
Yossi behind Torres with Stevie dropping back at the expense of Lucas is so clear and obvious that Rafa doesn't see it. The team would benefit massively from it.
[/quote]

Yes. Hopefully Benitez will abandon his little project regarding Lucas.
[/quote]

He won't because Lucas is not our biggest problem at the minute, in fact he has been alright. Masher, Skrtel and Carra are bigger concerns IMO.
 
[quote author=Biggus Dickus link=topic=35639.msg938746#msg938746 date=1252075861]
[quote author=Ossi link=topic=35639.msg938660#msg938660 date=1252065438]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=35639.msg938543#msg938543 date=1252056846]
Yossi behind Torres with Stevie dropping back at the expense of Lucas is so clear and obvious that Rafa doesn't see it. The team would benefit massively from it.
[/quote]

Yes. Hopefully Benitez will abandon his little project regarding Lucas.
[/quote]

He won't because Lucas is not our biggest problem at the minute, in fact he has been alright. Masher, Skrtel and Carra are bigger concerns IMO.
[/quote]

I don't think Masher has been great so far, but he carries more in his locker than Lucas. I think he is finding it difficult playing alongside him,

regards
 
Yes, he is. He's having to try and take on some of the constructive stuff for which he used to just give the ball to Alonso and, though he's better at it than he was, it just isn't his game.

I'm increasingly convinced that the only real option for now is to put Stevie G back alongside Mascher and play Yossi in Stevie's current slot. Rafa prob.won't see it that way though.
 
Good to see that Yossi is finally getting to play his best position with Gerrard playing where we need him most right now.
 
the real test is if rafa will drop lucas when masch is back and keep to this formation. i hope he does as yossi and gerrard both proved yesterday that our team is better balanced this way.
 
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=35639.msg938709#msg938709 date=1252071679]
I don't buy into the theory that we can't lose another game all season if we want to win the league. Cutting out all the draws from last year will help enormously.
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Yep. Simple maths says that if we converted those 10 draws into 5 wins and whatever other combination of draws or losses we'd have won the league.
 
bump,

Yossi you have been a magnificent beacon of creativity for us this year.
great return on goals and assists so far.
 
kuyt and yossi both have to learn to just put their fucking boot through ball. both had glorious chances to get shots off but either passed or attempted to take on one player too many. look at torres' goal today, if it were kuyt he would have attempted to square it (to no one) and if it were yossi he would have attempted to cut inside the last defender.
great pass for the goal though.
 
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