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So why didn't we buy a centre back? Why were we linked to a high profile one and down to the clubs own idiocy, have to withdraw interest. Why didn't we attempt to buy another with the supposed 60m? Owners didn't want to? Klopp didn't want any other player? Tea lady didn't like the cut of his jib?
Klopp was on to a winner this summer and he could have demanded whatever the fuck he wanted. He brought champions league back. Yet we didn't buy in the 1 area we were desperate for.
Why?
None of this "oh we don't know" bollocks. Heads should fucking roll for that oversight, and it certainly wasn't the fault of the physio we sacked
Also, what's this agenda bullshit? I'm a fan of klopp and I don't believe we could do better in the current climate
It's more agenda burying your head in the sand than asking questions
I wouldn't even say that tactically he did his best. He has one way of playing. We wouldn't have sat deep, regardless of how the game was hinged.
We're either on top in attack and we manage to dominate and win, or the opposition does their homework and exploits our gaping weaknesses. Too often these days it's the latter. I didn't think we changed much tactically, maybe in terms of shape/personnel when we went two down, but we were still as open and naive.
The gaping weaknesses are the players being complete fucking rems that don’t do the basics right. That isn’t tactical weakness. It’s poor recruitment.
It's both. You're not telling me that players like Lovren and Matip couldn't be better coached. I don't have huge faith in either of them, but a different coach would get a better performance from them. Have a look at our defensive play in general under Klopp. EVERY centre back has failed to some degree. You could only really say that Moreno and Milner have progressed as defenders, the rest have regressed. Matip, Lovren, Sakho, Gomez, Karius, even Clyne.. all performed better previously. Like I say, we need to buy, but I don't think it's completely down to poor players, that every single centre back we have has underperformed/failed under the same manager.
It's like when Evans was here, every centre back performed badly and despite buying mostly average/poor players, some of them were better before they came here, yet every single one of them struggled under the tactical system and lack of organisation. Mark Wright and John Scales were the pick of the bunch and neither of them completely succeeded here.
Gomez played everyone onside at Spurs for one of the goals, he's a kid learning the ropes, so these things happen, but it was such a basic fundamental mistake (looking along the line and still not stepping out inline), that I can't help but point the finger at the organisation. Things like not playing to the whistle - you're taught that at grass roots level, so if we've stopped doing it now (Matip, Lovren and a few others were repeatedly guilty of this at Spurs), then is that just retarded players or poor instruction? When they're all doing it, it stops being an individual problem, it's a team problem and then it becomes a methodical/coaching problem.
It’s fundamental errors they are making and that shouldn’t be coached at this level. It’s stuff you know by the age of 14. All this talk about other managers getting them well drilled is all good and well until you realise those other managers are playing with tight systems with a back 8 looking to score on the break. Those teams tend to be outside the “big 6” sides.
I acknowledge there are issues at coaching set pieces because we are all over the shop. That falls on the coaching side. However, you can’t blame the management for Lovren throwing himself into a header on the halfway line. Or tacking from behind where you know the ref gives a foul even if you get the ball as Can decided to do.
I’m not saying Klopp escapes criticism for the goals we have conceded this season but it is mostly the decision making by the thick cunts on the pitch.
That's depressing
None of this really explains or excuses why he spent £40m on AOC, does it? Or why our defenders are an utter shambles 4 windows in, or why Karius, Klavan, Robinson, Grujic and Solanke can't get games, despite a few of them playing in key positions we are struggling in. It's always the CDNW, head in the sand fans who label every fan who questions what's going on as too critical/agenda driven.
As Fabio said, we all know he's the best we could have got, he's had that respect from day one. Now he has to start repaying that faith and to stop living just on his reputation.
Mignolet and Lovren have improved under Klopp?
Ahahaha.
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha!
I know I shouldn't bite but I can't let you get away with some of this tripe. You are mixing up the club with Klopp. Of course Klopp prioritised a centreback, that is beyond any doubt. VVD was his number one priority and we went into the very last day of the window with everyone expecting him to sign.
I say it again, Klopp doesn't own the club and he doesn't have his hands on our bank account so if he asks for a player and the club don't sign him it's not 100% his fault is it? It's a secondary question about fallback options but it's highly probable that Klopp expected us to sign VVD right up to the wire.
To me, Klopp is our best hope at the moment and the sort of scattergun criticism of him as responsible for all our failures is pathetic. That doesn't mean he is immune to criticism at all, far from it - for example, I can't comprehend why Mignolet is still in the side and that is definitely down to him.
But if you really want to focus on the CLUB's priorities then turn your guns in the direction of the owners who are pulling the wool over our eyes with this £200m warchest bollocks while demonstrating a complete lack of ambition on the playing side and failing to compete in the transfer market. Klopp could be fucking Merlin and not have enough spells to reach our Holy Grail with the apprentices and tools at his disposal.
"Klopp could be fucking Merlin and not have enough spells to reach our Holy Grail with the apprentices and tools at his disposal"
Wow.
That's a level 20 spell right there.
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I cast my Spell Of Delusion
the spell does not work
I cast my Spell of Retardation
you are now retarded
Seriously grow up
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I don't have a problem with any of your points here, that's fair comment.
My issue is with posters who blame everything on Klopp and then ignore every attempt to set the record straight by carrying on with the same nonsense.
Don't think your Apple Watch is protecting you from spells. Try wearing a Cloak Of Protection.
Aha. I see what you did there. Or do I? I don't know.
I don't see many on here blaming everything on Klopp and there's no doubt that the recruitment side of the club is well behind others in terms of money provided and getting deals done but that doesn't mean that Klopp isn't responsible for his share of the blame and to think otherwise is foolish.
The owners and backroom staff don't decide team selection or tactics. Klopp has that responsibility and if it isn't going well then he gets the blame the same as any other manager in football.
The owners and backroom staff don't decide team selection or tactics. Klopp has that responsibility and if it isn't going well then he gets the blame the same as any other manager in football.
You obviously don't remember what they were like before.
Yep
So klopp doesn't have a say on our priorities in the market?
He might as well walk out now if he's not even allowed to fucking SUGGEST areas that he, THE FUCKING COACH, has noticed need improvement.
Yes we wanted van dijk, but that was early doors we gave up on that, as the club fucking stated. Why didn't klopp suggest a backup plan? It was so myopic to believe that van dijk would come, and no one else should be looked at.
You're so selective in your arguments. You're agreeing with Mark, who has agreed with me btw, but arguing the toss with me.
You're as all over the place as a klopp defence
In his defence, I did enjoy that bit about The Holy Grail, Merlin, spells and apprentices
It was delightfully mental
It doesn't hurt to be nice or kind for a change, you know. It's certainly not uncool, Brendan.
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Yes, I know that sometimes my vicious strain of Dungeons & Dragons-themed humour can be too much for some. Apologies.
None taken
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Hey Fabio, I notice you are patting yourself on the back, figuratively speaking, with this and your other posts to me recently and hope you don't mind if I state the obvious : English is not your first language is it?
I will give you the benefit of the doubt, therefore and offer a few words of advice in the art of conversation.
First principle is to learn how to read a person's post and digest the contents. Once you have developed a proper understanding of the fundamentals of his or her argument, you can then construct an appropriate response dealing with the salient points in a logical, coherent manner.
Now, go away and practise, practise, practise multiple times before returning to this board. In that way, you can avoid your annoying habit of repeating the same old half-witted, nonsensical claptrap that has absolutely nothing whatsoever with the post that you are purporting to answer.
Oh, one more tip Fabio - don't use capital letters. It makes you come across as a ranting, imbecilic simpleton.
Good luck with the rehab!
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