So, you're Uncle Woy...

[Molbystwin]

Regardless of how we feel/felt about Benitez currently a lot of us are sitting here waiting for the shit to hit the fan and that's just not how it should be IMO. The takeover has been disastrous as has the half hearted half witted uber-fan style response has been pathetic.

What is happening right now at the club is pretty damned scandalous all round.

I don't even think that Rafa was sacked for a woeful season, that would have been OK.

No, Rafa was sacked because he wasn't prepared to accept the shit shovelled down from above any longer, the club selling its best playing assets without reassurances that he would be allowed to replace them properly and with our situation that made him untenable because that is exactly what the club will do. If not from neccesity it will be from the players seeing how bad it truly is financially and losing faith in the clubs ambitions.

That is a scandal. I'm aware that too many it doesn't matter, and i understand their point of view but maybe i'm too long in the tooth or old fashioned about it or just plain reactionary but currently we've got a Chelsea fan as Chairman ladies and gentleman.

Shankly really would be turning in his grave.

Them two cunts have done us up like a kipper.

If Roy does arrive ( if that doesn't say it enough in itself!) then I sincerely hope he does well and I will back him 100% but I fear that whoever does turn up is on a guaranteed hiding to nothing till the tumours are removed.

I hoping it doesn't take more than 5 or more years to recover.

 

[vantage]

Well said that man.

 

[Avmenon]

The idea that Rafa was sacked, not because of his past managerial failures but because he stood in the way of the spinning snake/Yank Cunts/Chav Chairman's dastardly plans to relegate the club is not implausible.

But we should see which manager is appointed and which players are sold/ bought first.

 

[gareth_thomas]

i think we are pretty much fucked.

id sign Ledley from Cardiff.

Gargano from Napoli

Luis Garcia from Athletico Madrid

Benjani on a free

Mcdonald from Celtic

Cole - throw silly wages at him.

 

[Rosco]

[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=40570.msg1118427#msg1118427 date=1276293170]

No, Rafa was sacked because he wasn't prepared to accept the shit shovelled down from above any longer, the club selling its best playing assets without reassurances that he would be allowed to replace them properly and with our situation that made him untenable because that is exactly what the club will do.
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The exact opposite was reported.

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=40570.msg1118442#msg1118442 date=1276321394]
The idea that Rafa was sacked, not because of his past managerial failures but because he stood in the way of the spinning snake/Yank Cunts/Chav Chairman's dastardly plans to relegate the club is not implausible.

But we should see which manager is appointed and which players are sold/ bought first.
[/quote]

That we should, Avvy. I assume the first para.is sarcastic?

 

[Molbystwin]

No Ross it wasnt. Rafa was sacked because the board were sure that he wouldnt keep his oversized fucking mouth shut about it, i totally understand that made him untenable by the way, no board can operate like that. All that said lets please not kid ourselves that the financial shitstorm we are embroiled in was all part of the plan neither was it part of the long term drive to replace the incumbent manager with a better one when we clearly have no money to strengthen nor indeed convince the good players we do have that its worth their while staying. If there was a sarcastic deliberate conspiracy to fuck us up then you'd have to say those involved are doing a truly Tip top job of it.

Yes Jules lets see who is sold first shall we.... Fantastic stuff

 

[Loch Ness Monster]

Rafa was also sacked because he mismanaged his squad to a wonderful 7th place last season. After he had guaranteed fourth place.
If there is no money to spend, then just concentrate on coaching and training your squad to get the best out of them. You are right though that they knew he wouldn't keep his mouth shut and deal with things behind closed doors. That in itself would discourage potential new owners from buying the club. Why would anyone want to take over when the manager screams and shouts when he doesn't get what he wants?

Anyway, he has gone and we have already done this enough....

 

[mark1975]

It'll be interesting to hear what Rafa has to say about it all, when he eventually (inevitably) does talk about it.

 

[Rosco]

[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=40570.msg1118599#msg1118599 date=1276348759]
No Ross it wasnt. Rafa was sacked because the board were sure that he wouldnt keep his oversized fucking mouth shut about it, i totally understand that made him untenable by the way, no board can operate like that. All that said lets please not kid ourselves that the financial shitstorm we are embroiled in was all part of the plan neither was it part of the long term drive to replace the incumbent manager with a better one when we clearly have no money to strengthen nor indeed convince the good players we do have that its worth their while staying. If there was a sarcastic deliberate conspiracy to fuck us up then you'd have to say those involved are doing a truly Tip top job of it.

Yes Jules lets see who is sold first shall we.... Fantastic stuff
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See - http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-boss-Rafa-Benitez-pays-the-price-for-squad-upheaval-after-being-sacked-for-asking-to-overhaul-his-playing-staff-for-the-fourth-time-in-six-years-article447517.html

It was reported.

 

[Loch Ness Monster]

I heard the term 'serial transferalist' recently. That is appropriate when considering Rafa IMO.

 

[Rosco]

[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=40570.msg1118609#msg1118609 date=1276349860]
I heard the term 'serial transferalist' recently. That is appropriate when considering Rafa IMO.
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Balague recently said Benitez's methods require a high turnover of players, because players really need to buy into them.

Presumably players get fed up with his methods quite quickly and that's when they need to go

 

[Avmenon]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40570.msg1118485#msg1118485 date=1276333136]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=40570.msg1118442#msg1118442 date=1276321394]
The idea that Rafa was sacked, not because of his past managerial failures but because he stood in the way of the spinning snake/Yank Cunts/Chav Chairman's dastardly plans to relegate the club is not implausible.

But we should see which manager is appointed and which players are sold/ bought first.
[/quote]

That we should, Avvy. I assume the first para.is sarcastic?
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Not really, Jules. I think his performances ARE grounds for sacking him, but that might not be why he WAS sacked.

Molby may have a point; but to my mind it was still the right thing to do.

NOt just because he'd failed, but because I don't think he'd be able to fix things and we'd just sink deeper and deeper into problems..the fact that our next manager will certainly be Rafa's tactical inferior doesnt change that.

 

[Squiggles]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40570.msg1118607#msg1118607 date=1276349686]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=40570.msg1118599#msg1118599 date=1276348759]
No Ross it wasnt. Rafa was sacked because the board were sure that he wouldnt keep his oversized fucking mouth shut about it, i totally understand that made him untenable by the way, no board can operate like that. All that said lets please not kid ourselves that the financial shitstorm we are embroiled in was all part of the plan neither was it part of the long term drive to replace the incumbent manager with a better one when we clearly have no money to strengthen nor indeed convince the good players we do have that its worth their while staying. If there was a sarcastic deliberate conspiracy to fuck us up then you'd have to say those involved are doing a truly Tip top job of it.

Yes Jules lets see who is sold first shall we.... Fantastic stuff
[/quote]


See - http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-boss-Rafa-Benitez-pays-the-price-for-squad-upheaval-after-being-sacked-for-asking-to-overhaul-his-playing-staff-for-the-fourth-time-in-six-years-article447517.html

It was reported.
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That article pretty sums up my feelings of Benitezs time here.

It's spot on

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=40570.msg1118609#msg1118609 date=1276349860]
I heard the term 'serial transferalist' recently. That is appropriate when considering Rafa IMO.
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If it's the one I'm thinking of, it was "serial transactionalist" and Gillett actually said it about Rafa. Fair comment, but a bit rich coming from a guy with quite a number of business purchases and sales (plus one bankruptcy) on his own CV.

 

[Loch Ness Monster]

That might have been the one JJ. I agree that the pot is calling the kettle black in this case.

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=40570.msg1118599#msg1118599 date=1276348759]
No Ross it wasnt. Rafa was sacked because the board were sure that he wouldnt keep his oversized fucking mouth shut about it, i totally understand that made him untenable by the way, no board can operate like that. All that said lets please not kid ourselves that the financial shitstorm we are embroiled in was all part of the plan neither was it part of the long term drive to replace the incumbent manager with a better one when we clearly have no money to strengthen nor indeed convince the good players we do have that its worth their while staying. If there was a sarcastic deliberate conspiracy to fuck us up then you'd have to say those involved are doing a truly Tip top job of it.

Yes Jules lets see who is sold first shall we.... Fantastic stuff
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That makes no sense at all, Molby mate. Either Rafa was sacked for the reason you claim and there is such a conspiracy, in which case our current financial situation is part of it, or there is no such conspiracy and he wasn't sacked for any reason other than underperformance. You can't have it both ways.

Why would there be such a conspiracy at all? Incompetence I can believe (we've suffered from it ever since Sir John Smith and Peter Robinson left), but deliberately cutting your own throat by running down one of your biggest investments is another matter altogether and doesn't make any more sense than that lurid fantasy about why Rafa was let go.

 

[Judge Jules]

Avvy, see above. Molby's a decent lad and a true Red, but his (understandable) fears have dragged him into the realm of fantasy on this.

 

[Avmenon]

I didnt agree with it, Jules..was just being devil's advocate 😉

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

He got sacked because we lost 19 games of football and finished 7th, not because of some grand conspiracy to remove an opponent of asset stripping. And rightly so.

 

[Molbystwin]

Bloody hell Ross... Even a cursory glance at the opening couple of paragraphs tells you that that piece is a tabloid hatchet job. Horses for courses i suppose ... knowing what to believe is tricky im sure ... Call me pessimistic but it aint looking great is it? Ahh well i'll leave it as there really is no point. Im sure it's grand.