Would you take him back now til the end of the season?
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there is an air of fate to it all, but i don't think i do.
I've said time and time again. The best candidate to salvage this season is Benitez. He's the sure bet.
We don't know how Kenny is gonna do. Most of you are backing Kenny for sentimental reasons. There's no logic behind it.
Newcastle fans wanted Shearer, they got him and they still got relegated.
I have to admit that I also like the idea of Kenny managing again, but if it's between Kenny and Rafa. My mind would win over my heart.
Benitez knows the players, he knows the club and the fans. His tactics are instilled in the players and the players are best suited for his tactics. I'm not alone in thinking that this season would have gone differently if Benitez was in charge.
We wouldn't have lost to Blackpool.
We wouldn't have lost to Wolves.
We would definitely not have been knocked out of the Carling cup in the first round against that L2 team or L1, I forget which team it was.
That's my opinion.
We don't know how Kenny is gonna do. Most of you are backing Kenny for sentimental reasons. There's no logic behind it.
Newcastle fans wanted Shearer, they got him and they still got relegated.
I have to admit that I also like the idea of Kenny managing again, but if it's between Kenny and Rafa. My mind would win over my heart.
Benitez knows the players, he knows the club and the fans. His tactics are instilled in the players and the players are best suited for his tactics. I'm not alone in thinking that this season would have gone differently if Benitez was in charge.
We wouldn't have lost to Blackpool.
We wouldn't have lost to Wolves.
We would definitely not have been knocked out of the Carling cup in the first round against that L2 team or L1, I forget which team it was.
That's my opinion.
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We would definitely not have been knocked out of the Carling cup in the first round against that L2 team or L1, I forget which team it was.
That's my opinion.
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Reading and Burnley spring to mind as examples that it would have been entirely possible.
We would definitely not have been knocked out of the Carling cup in the first round against that L2 team or L1, I forget which team it was.
That's my opinion.
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Reading and Burnley spring to mind as examples that it would have been entirely possible.
i like Benitez.. but bringing him back wont fix anything..
He isnt a motivator... Most of our players will be pissed off to see him back... and.. he has lost the plot.
He isnt a motivator... Most of our players will be pissed off to see him back... and.. he has lost the plot.
shoot me down in flames but if the choice where kenny or rafa, I'd choose rafa. I still maintain things went tits up when he had to sell to buy rather than using money from CL and turnover profit. it's a non starter though 🙁
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I don't think we should go back for a whole host of reasons, but if we really cannot find anyone of the required calibre then I would accept it as a possibility.
It would have to be on our terms, and he couldn't have complete control, and potential signings would have to be scrutinised heavily.
It would have to be on our terms, and he couldn't have complete control, and potential signings would have to be scrutinised heavily.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=43490.msg1246059#msg1246059 date=1294446410]
I've said time and time again. The best candidate to salvage this season is Benitez. He's the sure bet.
We don't know how Kenny is gonna do. Most of you are backing Kenny for sentimental reasons. There's no logic behind it.
Newcastle fans wanted Shearer, they got him and they still got relegated.
I have to admit that I also like the idea of Kenny managing again, but if it's between Kenny and Rafa. My mind would win over my heart.
Benitez knows the players, he knows the club and the fans. His tactics are instilled in the players and the players are best suited for his tactics. I'm not alone in thinking that this season would have gone differently if Benitez was in charge.
We wouldn't have lost to Blackpool.
We wouldn't have lost to Wolves.
We would definitely not have been knocked out of the Carling cup in the first round against that L2 team or L1, I forget which team it was.
That's my opinion.
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As much as I don't like benitez and am glad he got sacked I have to agree with this.
I've said time and time again. The best candidate to salvage this season is Benitez. He's the sure bet.
We don't know how Kenny is gonna do. Most of you are backing Kenny for sentimental reasons. There's no logic behind it.
Newcastle fans wanted Shearer, they got him and they still got relegated.
I have to admit that I also like the idea of Kenny managing again, but if it's between Kenny and Rafa. My mind would win over my heart.
Benitez knows the players, he knows the club and the fans. His tactics are instilled in the players and the players are best suited for his tactics. I'm not alone in thinking that this season would have gone differently if Benitez was in charge.
We wouldn't have lost to Blackpool.
We wouldn't have lost to Wolves.
We would definitely not have been knocked out of the Carling cup in the first round against that L2 team or L1, I forget which team it was.
That's my opinion.
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As much as I don't like benitez and am glad he got sacked I have to agree with this.
Is the premise of this thread to get Rafa back just for the remainder of this season then look for a long-term candidate? If so, I certainly don't see the point in that.
tbh i've always been against him coming back, because i think we need someone that everyone, fans and players, can unite behind, but if he was willing to return on a 6 month contract then it's a bit of a no-brainer. it seems ridiculous to have him sitting around on the wirral, doing swee fa, when we're under the incompetent spell of bodgson and apparently unable to secure the right person until the summer.
if it means a couple of players' noses are put out of joint, then, quite frankly, fuck 'em.
if he did well enough in that time, and could smooth things over with any relevant figures he might have fallen out with on the playing staff, then i'd also welcome him staying on in the longer term as well, so we can finally see what he's capable of with the support befitting a club manager expected to challenge for the league title.
if it means a couple of players' noses are put out of joint, then, quite frankly, fuck 'em.
if he did well enough in that time, and could smooth things over with any relevant figures he might have fallen out with on the playing staff, then i'd also welcome him staying on in the longer term as well, so we can finally see what he's capable of with the support befitting a club manager expected to challenge for the league title.
Complete no-brainer -get him back and quickly. If any of the players want out, then so be it. I'm sick of our club being run by the egos in the dressing room. If anyone doesn't like the manager their employer chooses then they should fuck right off. And I mean anyone.....
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Can someone answer this question...
Which of our decent players would have a problem with Rafa coming back?
And maybe they might even be relieved he's come to save the day..
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Gerrard and Torres to name two. Carra might well join them as he's said publicly it was time for Rafa to go.
Can someone answer this question...
Which of our decent players would have a problem with Rafa coming back?
And maybe they might even be relieved he's come to save the day..
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Gerrard and Torres to name two. Carra might well join them as he's said publicly it was time for Rafa to go.
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Complete no-brainer -get him back and quickly. If any of the players want out, then so be it. I'm sick of our club being run by the egos in the dressing room. If anyone doesn't like the manager their employer chooses then they should fuck right off. And I mean anyone.....
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In principle I'd agree, but I don't in this instance. He's the guy who was rightly let go just a matter of months ago for taking the team down a blind alley, the players know that and they'd have every right to ask "WTF?" if he were brought back now.
Complete no-brainer -get him back and quickly. If any of the players want out, then so be it. I'm sick of our club being run by the egos in the dressing room. If anyone doesn't like the manager their employer chooses then they should fuck right off. And I mean anyone.....
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In principle I'd agree, but I don't in this instance. He's the guy who was rightly let go just a matter of months ago for taking the team down a blind alley, the players know that and they'd have every right to ask "WTF?" if he were brought back now.
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[quote author=vantage link=topic=43490.msg1246112#msg1246112 date=1294479958]
Complete no-brainer -get him back and quickly. If any of the players want out, then so be it. I'm sick of our club being run by the egos in the dressing room. If anyone doesn't like the manager their employer chooses then they should fuck right off. And I mean anyone.....
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In principle I'd agree, but I don't in this instance. He's the guy who was rightly let go just a matter of months ago for taking the team down a blind alley, the players know that and they'd have every right to ask "WTF?" if he were brought back now.
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The same players who were 'behind' the appointment of Woy? They should have no say in the matter anyway......
[quote author=vantage link=topic=43490.msg1246112#msg1246112 date=1294479958]
Complete no-brainer -get him back and quickly. If any of the players want out, then so be it. I'm sick of our club being run by the egos in the dressing room. If anyone doesn't like the manager their employer chooses then they should fuck right off. And I mean anyone.....
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In principle I'd agree, but I don't in this instance. He's the guy who was rightly let go just a matter of months ago for taking the team down a blind alley, the players know that and they'd have every right to ask "WTF?" if he were brought back now.
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The same players who were 'behind' the appointment of Woy? They should have no say in the matter anyway......
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[quote author=localny link=topic=43490.msg1246080#msg1246080 date=1294460932]
Can someone answer this question...
Which of our decent players would have a problem with Rafa coming back?
And maybe they might even be relieved he's come to save the day..
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Gerrard and Torres to name two. Carra might well join them as he's said publicly it was time for Rafa to go.
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i struggle to belive it of torres, even though it's widely reported. not saying it's definitely not true, just that i doubt it.
gerrard's a vacillating dimwit who i'm sure could be won round if benitez got his act together.
as for carra, he was a great player but is on the wane and close to the end, so i'd say his feelings are barely worth consideration.
[quote author=localny link=topic=43490.msg1246080#msg1246080 date=1294460932]
Can someone answer this question...
Which of our decent players would have a problem with Rafa coming back?
And maybe they might even be relieved he's come to save the day..
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Gerrard and Torres to name two. Carra might well join them as he's said publicly it was time for Rafa to go.
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i struggle to belive it of torres, even though it's widely reported. not saying it's definitely not true, just that i doubt it.
gerrard's a vacillating dimwit who i'm sure could be won round if benitez got his act together.
as for carra, he was a great player but is on the wane and close to the end, so i'd say his feelings are barely worth consideration.
Vantage - perhaps not in principle, but in practice alienating them would really help pull us up out of the mire, wouldn't it? Besides, with Rafa at the helm it wouldn't be long before there were more fallings-out. Even when I was defending him (which I did for longer than almost everyone on here) I had to concede his man-management was his Achilles heel.
Peter - largely ditto. And what would you honestly give for the chances of Rafa being a different man and manager this time round?
Peter - largely ditto. And what would you honestly give for the chances of Rafa being a different man and manager this time round?
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43490.msg1246117#msg1246117 date=1294480639]
[quote author=localny link=topic=43490.msg1246080#msg1246080 date=1294460932]
Can someone answer this question...
Which of our decent players would have a problem with Rafa coming back?
And maybe they might even be relieved he's come to save the day..
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Gerrard and Torres to name two. Carra might well join them as he's said publicly it was time for Rafa to go.
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i struggle to belive it of torres, even though it's widely reported. not saying it's definitely not true, just that i doubt it.
gerrard's a vacillating dimwit who i'm sure could be won round if benitez got his act together.
as for carra, he was a great player but is on the wane and close to the end, so i'd say his feelings are barely worth consideration.
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I suspect you're right there.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43490.msg1246117#msg1246117 date=1294480639]
[quote author=localny link=topic=43490.msg1246080#msg1246080 date=1294460932]
Can someone answer this question...
Which of our decent players would have a problem with Rafa coming back?
And maybe they might even be relieved he's come to save the day..
[/quote]
Gerrard and Torres to name two. Carra might well join them as he's said publicly it was time for Rafa to go.
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i struggle to belive it of torres, even though it's widely reported. not saying it's definitely not true, just that i doubt it.
gerrard's a vacillating dimwit who i'm sure could be won round if benitez got his act together.
as for carra, he was a great player but is on the wane and close to the end, so i'd say his feelings are barely worth consideration.
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I suspect you're right there.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43490.msg1246124#msg1246124 date=1294481294]
Vantage - perhaps not in principle, but in practice alienating them would really help pull us up out of the mire, wouldn't it? Besides, with Rafa at the helm it wouldn't be long before there were more fallings-out. Even when I was defending him (which I did for longer than almost everyone on here) I had to concede his man-management was his Achilles heel.
Peter - largely ditto. And what would you honestly give for the chances of Rafa being a different man and manager this time round?
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i agree that his man-management is his biggest failing and that will probably never significantly improve. but my point is that we should - if he agreed - let him have the job til the summer, and if any of carra, gerrard, torres, who-fucking-ever, didn't like it then they should STFU cos it's only temporary and we're in serious fucking trouble.
IF in the 6 months he does well enough on a results and squad-management basis then we take it from there, and consider him against all the other candidates.
btw, i'm not against your preferred option of dalglish, but personally, of the 2 and considering all the pros and cons, i think benitez is the better bet to lift us up the table.
Vantage - perhaps not in principle, but in practice alienating them would really help pull us up out of the mire, wouldn't it? Besides, with Rafa at the helm it wouldn't be long before there were more fallings-out. Even when I was defending him (which I did for longer than almost everyone on here) I had to concede his man-management was his Achilles heel.
Peter - largely ditto. And what would you honestly give for the chances of Rafa being a different man and manager this time round?
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i agree that his man-management is his biggest failing and that will probably never significantly improve. but my point is that we should - if he agreed - let him have the job til the summer, and if any of carra, gerrard, torres, who-fucking-ever, didn't like it then they should STFU cos it's only temporary and we're in serious fucking trouble.
IF in the 6 months he does well enough on a results and squad-management basis then we take it from there, and consider him against all the other candidates.
btw, i'm not against your preferred option of dalglish, but personally, of the 2 and considering all the pros and cons, i think benitez is the better bet to lift us up the table.
Depends on what the options are, if Kenny has been ruled out of taking over(which he may well have been), and it's a choice between Roy, Rafa and the likes of MON, McLeish etc. then obviously Rafa has to be the choice.
But Rafa can not get it long term, and we have to be working towards a long term solution.
But Rafa can not get it long term, and we have to be working towards a long term solution.
I said no as Rafa needs a break...
Ask me again in 6months.... 😉
Ask me again in 6months.... 😉
Gerry - if (and I know it's a big "if"😉 the media can be believed, the owners may be warming to the idea of Kenny after all. I don't think any of the alternatives to Roy that you list (except perhaps MON, and I doubt it in his case too) would accept the job on a purely short-term basis, which rules them all out for me as I wouldn't want any of them appointed permanently.
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