'Siamese stadium' in Liverpool?

[the count]

Liverpool and Everton could share a revolutionary 'Siamese stadium' under new plans revealed by a business consortium.

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The Merseyside rivals would effectively have separate grounds in Stanley Park connected by a central spine housing collective facilities, according to proposals released to the Liverpool Echo.

Mersey Stadia-Connex group, who are behind the idea, claim the design could save the clubs between £180m-£220m, while allowing them their own stadia.

The blueprint proposes a 60,000-seater ground for Liverpool and a 50,000 capacity for Everton, to be completed as soon as 2013. The 10-story spine includes a 300-bed hotel, hospitality facilities, 150 executive boxes and a huge underground car park.

A spokesman for the Mersey Stadia-Connex group said: "We need to reach the prospective new owners of Liverpool FC to inform them about this sensational investment opportunity.

"Most fans will understand the many advantages and financial implications. This scheme differs from all previous concepts during the last decade in that we believe it manages to achieve all the clubs' objectives."

However, an Everton spokesman sounded a sceptical note about the idea, telling the Liverpool Echo it was "unworkable, unaffordable and undeliverable".

Liverpool announced a £55 million annual loss last week and have identified a move to a larger stadium as a key requirement to improve the club's finances.

Their plans for a new ground in Stanley Park are on hold while co-owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks attempt to sell the club. Various proposals have put the stadium's capacity between 55,000 and 73,000. Anfield's current capacity is 45,362.

A club spokesman said: “We remain committed to building our new stadium in Stanley Park.â€


http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/10052010/58/premier-league-siamese-stadium-liverpool.html

 

[themn]

That is bob.

Even the RAWK mob think it's rubbish.

 

[manwithnoname]

This is the football stadia equivalent of that film "Basket Case"

 

[themn]

Hey, why not a "Doggstyle" stadium ?

Stack them on top of each other !

 

[bobtkelpie]

[quote author=themn link=topic=40180.msg1102549#msg1102549 date=1273503337]
That is bob.

Even the RAWK mob think it's rubbish.
[/quote]

Oi! I take offence to that!

 

[kingjulian]

I don't understand.

Is this being dismissed as a non-event - fully fabricated story.

or

Is this being dismissed as a poor suggestion.


I personally don't see what is wrong with this. If this saves cost and generates as much revenue as a stand alone stadium....then why not?

This is better than shared stadium.

It will be a symbol of one of the most unique sport rivalries.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

It is better than a shared stadium , I agree, and has some merit.

It just looks shite, and they are not going to get away with "ours" being bigger than "theirs" that is just fucking pointless.

I can't see how it is going to save that much money either it is still basically two grounds, other than the fact they look cheap and nasty, and if they look shite in an artists impression they will very shite


regards

 

[Avmenon]

The Hicks anus stadium is more likely to be built that that.

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40180.msg1102570#msg1102570 date=1273507865]
It is better than a shared stadium , I agree, and has some merit.

It just looks shite, and they are not going to get away with "ours" being bigger than "theirs" that is just fucking pointless.

I can't see how it is going to save that much money either it is still basically two grounds, other than the fact they look cheap and nasty, and if they look shite in an artists impression they will very shite


regards
[/quote]

I don't agree. They get fewer turning up to their games. Not a big fan of this plan but, if it DOES go ahead, I rather like the idea of the bitters getting a smaller stadium actually - it entrenches their second-rank status in the city.

 

[manwithnoname]

Yes, the unique sporting rivalry of two football clubs in the same city

Good point

 

[gene hughes]

It's two crap stadiums with a shared toilet.

Great.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40180.msg1102575#msg1102575 date=1273508813]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40180.msg1102570#msg1102570 date=1273507865]
It is better than a shared stadium , I agree, and has some merit.

It just looks shite, and they are not going to get away with "ours" being bigger than "theirs" that is just fucking pointless.

I can't see how it is going to save that much money either it is still basically two grounds, other than the fact they look cheap and nasty, and if they look shite in an artists impression they will very shite


regards
[/quote]

I don't agree. They get fewer turning up to their games. Not a big fan of this plan but, if it DOES go ahead, I rather like the idea of the bitters getting a smaller stadium actually - it entrenches their second-rank status in the city.
[/quote]

Of course I can see the logic JJ, but that would not wash with the other partners, and I would not blame them.
They are not going to accept being the poor relations in something like this.

Who is to say in years hence the roles may not be reversed (shudders), they always used to get bigger gates than us in times past......I suppose we could just swap around then.....it's a none starter, it would have to be on an equal footing

regards

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=40180.msg1102589#msg1102589 date=1273511664]
It's two crap stadiums with a shared toilet.

Great.
[/quote]

about sums it up Gene

regards

 

[kingjulian]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40180.msg1102576#msg1102576 date=1273508919]
Yes, the unique sporting rivalry of two football clubs in the same city

Good point
[/quote]

Lol....

We have to believe though, as Liverpool fans...

 

[kingjulian]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40180.msg1102570#msg1102570 date=1273507865]
It is better than a shared stadium , I agree, and has some merit.

It just looks shite, and they are not going to get away with "ours" being bigger than "theirs" that is just fucking pointless.

I can't see how it is going to save that much money either it is still basically two grounds, other than the fact they look cheap and nasty, and if they look shite in an artists impression they will very shite

regards
[/quote]

So you have two concerns
a. It is ugly
b. How are we saving money.

Any other criticisms on the idea? I may be missing out on them because i'm not living in Liverpool.

The design can always be reworked. It doesn't have to be that design. Besides are we really in a position to turn our nose up on possible higher revenue because the design of the stadium is bad? Anfield is not really a work of art either.

As for how we are going to save money - the article actually expands a bit on it, and most liverpool fans would agree that Liverpool needs to increase stadium revenue from exactly these sources.

"The blueprint proposes a 60,000-seater ground for Liverpool and a 50,000 capacity for Everton, to be completed as soon as 2013. The 10-story spine includes a 300-bed hotel, hospitality facilities, 150 executive boxes and a huge underground car park."

I know it is not the best time for our club, but every single thread on this forum is suicidal, every news is viewed as bad news and here an honest idea to get around to building a stadium is just instantly turned down with negativity and no valid reason..........

 

[FoxForceFive]

That's a load of bollocks.

Ignoring the fact it's ugly as fuck, & a myriad of other reasons, a HUGE chunk of a clubs revenue now comes from it's facilities, which is the main reason we need to move. People cite ticket prices, but Utd make many, many times more money through corporate facilites almost 24/7, & that's where the biggest difference is.

This proposal would see that revenue halfed. We may as well stay at Anfield as do that.

 

[LarryHagman]

Looks wank and stupid.

 

[themn]

[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=40180.msg1102727#msg1102727 date=1273536684]

Looks wank and stupid.


[/quote]

And there we have it.

Sorry julian.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=40180.msg1102618#msg1102618 date=1273514576]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40180.msg1102570#msg1102570 date=1273507865]
It is better than a shared stadium , I agree, and has some merit.

It just looks shite, and they are not going to get away with "ours" being bigger than "theirs" that is just fucking pointless.

I can't see how it is going to save that much money either it is still basically two grounds, other than the fact they look cheap and nasty, and if they look shite in an artists impression they will very shite

regards
[/quote]

So you have two concerns
a. It is ugly
b. How are we saving money.

Any other criticisms on the idea? I may be missing out on them because i'm not living in Liverpool.

The design can always be reworked. It doesn't have to be that design. Besides are we really in a position to turn our nose up on possible higher revenue because the design of the stadium is bad? Anfield is not really a work of art either.

As for how we are going to save money - the article actually expands a bit on it, and most liverpool fans would agree that Liverpool needs to increase stadium revenue from exactly these sources.

"The blueprint proposes a 60,000-seater ground for Liverpool and a 50,000 capacity for Everton, to be completed as soon as 2013. The 10-story spine includes a 300-bed hotel, hospitality facilities, 150 executive boxes and a huge underground car park."

I know it is not the best time for our club, but every single thread on this forum is suicidal, every news is viewed as bad news and here an honest idea to get around to building a stadium is just instantly turned down with negativity and no valid reason..........


[/quote]

I am dead against the idea anyway, as it is a fudge on the shared stadium that people, who don't know or understand, keep trying to force on us.
As I said it's better than a shared stadium, from the perspective that I won't have a fucking Evertonian sitting in my seat every other game, but that is where it ends.
I would have thought they could improve the design too, so why start off with a pig ugly thing and improve, this sort of thing usually works the other was around.
We won't save on the executive boxes as the basis is they will have to look out onto the pitch, we might save 50% of a car park, and the negotiations on the hotel might be influenced, but I would have thought we might lose more than that on any potential exclusive naming rights....how is that going to work.

It is also a smaller capacity than our current plan, and no mention of room for expansion, like our current plan, and is like all these shared schemes primarily designed to hep out the blueshite.

Anfield is not a work of art as it has evolved over a hundred and odd years, whereas a purpose built stadium should take full advantage of just that....being a purpose built stadium, like the original designs on the current planning records

regards

 

[Squiggles]

I'd honestly prefer a (very good) shared stadium than this idea.

It's fucking awful.

Let's build ours on Stanley Park and force the blueshite out the city.

 

[Skullflower]

it's one of the most absurd things i've ever seen in my life.