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Some of them are shite, but some of them are also quite capable, I mean Coutinho was a bit of gem wasn't he? Couldn't even get into the team at Inter at the time.. Also, I think Sturridge was a decent find and of course Mane and Salah.
However when it comes to unearthing youth players it's incredible how few successes we've witnessed over the past many season. Who was the last awesome teenager we got our hands on? Raheem? And before him? Ehm.. no idea really. Suso perhaps, knowing he actually seems to have made a name for him self apart from not making it in Liverpool.
Are you talking about LFC scouting local talent? Or our scouting in general?
I'm confused by "scouse scouts" in the title
Totally agree. Why the hell cant we find bright young talent, before it costs us xx million.
Ours. See above.
On Mane and Salah. Though I get the feeling that Klopp played a big part. Stuge has been a partial disaster and was it the one scout that spotted Suarez and Coutinho? What's the set up does anybody know?
We have discussed this many, many times - usually when we pay Southampton 10 x what they did for one of their players - but it's still interesting.
But there's not that many top teams who do have young, "scouted" talent in their teams (not even sure how you're defining scouted actually - youth team graduate? Or just bought cheaply?)
United have got Rashford, who is top quality, Spurs have the brilliant Kane, Dele Alli and also the likes of Dier and Rose.
Chelsea? seem to use their youth squads to make money, not produce players. Abu Dhabi FC? Nothing. Arsenal? Erm.....
Klopp played a big part in scouting Mane? What?
How was he even 'scouted"? He cost £35m. What exactly are you talking about?
I am not even sure the right thing for us is to buy them when they are 15-17-years-old as the road to our first team would be excessively long and bumpy (unless we're talking Messi-class). However, when we are talking the 18-21 segment, that is where we really could improve ourselves. The Alli and Eriksens of this world, prominent youngsters playing in teams that are below us in status and wealth when snapped up.
Hopefully Solanke could turn into pure gold for us, he's certainly one of the more promising signings we've made of late when it comes to youths.
Chelsea's tactics is to buy loads of youngsters, then loan them out and eventually blend them into their own setup if/when ready. I don't think that's a particularly good approach either, however in Andreas Christensen they have most likely made a home run. De Bruyne and a few more could've obv also made the cut there with a bit more time and calmness on the clubs behalf.
Klopp played a big part in scouting Mane? I didn't say that. Mane wouldn't have really needed scouting (discovering) . I am talking about finding as yet undiscovered young players in the main.
I imagine he’s talking about our transfer strategy in general, where ‘scouts’ will monitor anything from youth players to the top end players.
We’ve been hit and miss for 10 years, more misses, but some of the hits were great weren’t they.
Great:
Kuyt
Torres
Suarez
Sterling
Mane
Salah
Sturridge (to an extent)
Keita (will be great)
Anyone else?
We’ve not had a great defensive or midfield buy since Rafa’s first season. Which is scary.
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Oh, so we’re talking about unearthing talent. No idea why Mane, Salah and Sturridge were mentioned then.
No it isn't. 90% of them are sold and never make it into the first team properly.
Chalobah, Ake, Solanke, Tammy Abraham, Lukaku, Atsu, Traore......
This is what you said:
"On Mane and Salah. Though I get the feeling that Klopp played a big part"
What are you talking about?
Keita, forgot about him already, but he is arguably one of the most exciting signings we've made in many years. Since Suarez really.
Not disputing the quality of Mane, Coutinho and Salah, but in terms of wild promise and shown potential, Keita is an even more spectacular catch, on beforehand at least.
Not disputing the quality of Mane, Coutinho and Salah, but in terms of wild promise and shown potential, Keita is an even more spectacular catch, on beforehand at least.
Yes it very much is their tactics.
You are simply highlighting that it isn't working, which I largely agree upon, but it very much is their tactics when it comes to youth.
I'm sorry I haven't seen a thread. Dedicated to this, one of our major weaknesses. In the last Two years I have been here, if there is one please point it out.
I don't think he knows either. It's a fucking car-crash.
KHL brought them into the discussion as a pointer. And yes I feel the whole setup deserves a dedicated thread. especially covering new talent. as soon as they get past 17 18 they are very expensive.
Where was he before RB signed him. Thats were we need to be.
He's been with Red Bull teams (Lepzig and Salzburg) since he was 18 or so. I think before that it was some lower league French team.
I'm not sure it's feasible we'd have been in any position to sign him at that point.
Why not feasible? It could save us millions. And all these horrific transfer windows.
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It's not easy to spot talent, besides, he was a 18/19 yr old playing for a Ligue 2 team which eventually got relegated. Besides, he might not have developed as well/as quickly had he not got regular football with RB Salzburg (who, despite playing in an average league, were regularly involved in European competitions and dominating domestic games + challenging for titles).
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ise-from-unknown-teenager-to-liverpool-target
The TC quite clearly doesn't have a clear plan. There was all the talk about money ball but little concrete plan/execution. Even for youngsters who came through the youth setup, the way they are loan out doesn't seem like having planned progression. Hopefully, the mini influx of foreign talents in the U18 squad is a sign of things taking a turn.
Take Kent for example. Is Freiburg truly a good choice when he could be playing week in week out for a Championship club?
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ise-from-unknown-teenager-to-liverpool-target
The TC quite clearly doesn't have a clear plan. There was all the talk about money ball but little concrete plan/execution. Even for youngsters who came through the youth setup, the way they are loan out doesn't seem like having planned progression. Hopefully, the mini influx of foreign talents in the U18 squad is a sign of things taking a turn.
Take Kent for example. Is Freiburg truly a good choice when he could be playing week in week out for a Championship club?
Sometimes it's just giving a player room to develop. Southampton does that.
We can't afford to do that or we don't have room for it. Obviously Southampton do some great scouting but that combined with nurturing and developing players is why they manage to churn out decent players.
We can't afford to do that or we don't have room for it. Obviously Southampton do some great scouting but that combined with nurturing and developing players is why they manage to churn out decent players.
And we only hear about the good ones. They sign a load of shite too, like every club.
A bit unfair. First of all people are furious even with established players making mistakes, so the pressure on youngsters are unbearable. They are either gods wonder to football or total useless in the fans eyes.... often one and the other within weeks.
Second we have actually played quite a few this season. TAA, Gomez, Karius, Ward, Grujic, Solanke, Woodburn and probably others have already been playing for the first team this season. All young players hosting less than 7 M pound.
But we need to give them time to develop, and that is difficult as they will be on and off.
So your saying our youth setup is totally inadequate then. How much cash would it take 10 15 30 million would still be worth it in the long run surly.
I suppose the real question is if any of the above actually go on to be genuinely top class Liverpool players, that will go on to save us hundreds of millions of transfer fees.
Frankly, I don't see the next Dele Alli, Kane or N'Golo Kante in there, never mind a Steven Gerrard, Robbie Fowler or Michael Owen.
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