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Rugby World Cup 2011

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I was in Dublin's big Aussie bar (the Woolshed) for the game this morning Stevie. Same reaction.
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It's funny... I reckon most of the Aussies over here went to watch the game in Irish pubs.

All Blacks pull the biggest crowds though.

I could almost guarantee DB was in an Irish pub & O'Hare wasn't.

Minds you the timing for the games over here couldn't be any better.
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And you'd be correct. In an Austrlian bar, and loved it.
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Mate... you got to come in for the next Liverpool game..... we're pulling big crowds.

Grand Final Day will be absolutely mental - AFL Grand Final, followed by England Vs Scotland, followed by Merseyside Derby... massive.

Actually, we're pulling big crowds for the RWC as well - mostly the NZ games, decent crowd for Aussie games.

Melbourne's new home of Sport... I tell ya...
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Sounds good mate. I'm going on hols tomorrow for 10 days to the US, then I'm actually going to the Grand Final when I get back - Got two tickets last week.

I'll schedule it in for a visit when I'm back. I'll give you a buzz sure.
 
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I was in Dublin's big Aussie bar (the Woolshed) for the game this morning Stevie. Same reaction.
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It's funny... I reckon most of the Aussies over here went to watch the game in Irish pubs.

All Blacks pull the biggest crowds though.

I could almost guarantee DB was in an Irish pub & O'Hare wasn't.

Minds you the timing for the games over here couldn't be any better.
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And you'd be correct. In an Austrlian bar, and loved it.
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Mate... you got to come in for the next Liverpool game..... we're pulling big crowds.

Grand Final Day will be absolutely mental - AFL Grand Final, followed by England Vs Scotland, followed by Merseyside Derby... massive.

Actually, we're pulling big crowds for the RWC as well - mostly the NZ games, decent crowd for Aussie games.

Melbourne's new home of Sport... I tell ya...
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Sounds good mate. I'm going on hols tomorrow for 10 days to the US, then I'm actually going to the Grand Final when I get back - Got two tickets last week.

I'll schedule it in for a visit when I'm back. I'll give you a buzz sure.
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Grand final day will be nuts - eng Vs scot @ 6.30pm then merseyside derby @ 9.45pm.

You can even catch rangers Vs hibs @ midnight hah!
 
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Interesting French team:

France Traille, Clerc, Rougerie, Mermoz, Médard, Parra, 9-Dimitri Yachvili, Picamoles, Bonnaire, Dusautoir (capt), Nallet, Pape, Ducalcon, Szarzewski, Poux. Replacements Servat, Barcella, Pierre, Harinordoquy, Trinh-Duc, Estebanez, Heymans.

Dropping Servat is a big call, as is Parra at 10.
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Rested as opposed to "dropped" per se, I would imagine. I know they're playing the Blacks, but I reckon they've calculated they may have more to gain from minimising the wear and tear on two key players, plus it gives the hooker replacement his moment in the S**.

Alternatively it might just be the fact that Lievremont is a nutcase.
 
I'm convinced that France are going to roll over against the All Blacks (AB'S will be under pressure to perform as usual). Looking at the draw i highly doubt the french are going to be interested in anything other than finishing 2nd.

A hefty bet placed on the Kiwi's winning by more than 17 points.
 
It took me a while to realise that, but when you look at the team it's exactly what they're doing.

I hope we do the cunts. They think they have our number - and to be fair they've had it recently.
 
If you look at our half of the draw both QF's are coin flips imo, but who would you rather face in the semi's if you make it through?

My mate JJ will think i'm having a dig, but personally i'd much rather come up against England. I'd give Ireland or Wales a very good chance of making it through to the final if we were to go up against the English in the semi's, our chances diminish greatly if it is to be versus the French.
 
It pains me to admit it but I can see why you would say that at the moment.

That said, we're often at our most dangerous at such times.
 
Not an easy choice. Possibly the Irish by a short head, but that would mean having to deal with their seriously impressive back row, plus O'Connell was in some kind of form against the Aussies.
 
Lievremont's selections thumb nose at IRB


France have devalued the most eagerly awaited World Cup game for four years and blown an enormous raspberry at the IRB.

Coach Marc Lievremont has chosen virtually a second string forward pack for the clash with the All Blacks at Eden Park on Saturday. It is a match that the rugby world has been waiting to see since the draw was made. Ever since France put New Zealand out of the 2007 Rugby World Cup in Cardiff, All Black fans have waited for the chance for revenge. But Saturday's re-match has been downgraded close to an irrelevance by the deliberate French selection.

Lievremont's choices scream just one thing - "the last thing we want is to win this match and finish as group winners. We want to lose, finish runners-up and stay in what now looks destined to be exclusively the Northern Hemisphere side of the draw".

The French clearly believe they can beat the likes of Ireland or England and could reach the World Cup final. However, if they finished as group winners they would almost certainly have to play either an improved South Africa or the Australians in the other semifinal. The trouble with this strategy is the IRB has sold 60,000 tickets for a match always seen as one of the highlights of the tournament.

Now, it is completely devalued and should be dominated by the All Blacks.

And it may set a precedent. Ireland's upset win over Australia may have been disastrous for the Wallabies but it was a nightmare for the South Africans. They are now looking at a likely route to the final barred first by the Australians in the quarter-final and then the All Blacks in the semifinal.

If the Springboks managed to lose to Samoa by less than 7 points in their final pool game (ensuring they take 1 point from the match which would probably be crucial), they would almost certainly end up second in their pool (behind Samoa if the Samoans beat them) and would go into the Northern Hemisphere dominated half of the draw. That would be a whole lot easier for them. To suggest the sharp Springbok coaches have not noticed this possible escape route from a nightmare quarter and semifinal programme, would be to insult their intelligence.

The IRB would appear powerless to stop this kind of tactical manoeuvring. It is making a joke of the World Cup and officials should be concerned.

France have made so many bizarre selections for this weekend that the conspiracy theory is the only logical explanation. They never go into any major game without their greatest warrior forward, hooker William Servat. Yet he only makes the bench.

The stunning selection is choosing two halfbacks. Dimitri Yachvili was always destined to play, but the choice of their other No 9 Morgan Parra at first five-eighths, is crazy. There is some story about the coach being disappointed with the form of Francois Trinh-Duc. Parra has never started a match for France at No 10.

Lievremont must have nearly split his sides laughing to himself when he explained the decision. "I thought about this long into the night, especially the decision about the halfbacks, which wasn't an easy one," he said.

This from a man who has hardly gambled with a team selection for four years.

It is an insult to the 60,000 who have bought tickets expecting a contest between teams at full strength.
 
On current form the Irish back five forwards are better but Wales are more dangerous in the tight and behind the scrum, though both gaps are narrowing.
 
I'm now starting to worry that the SA's might decide to throw their game with the Samoans, although i'm not convinced he has all of his facts right in that piece.

JJ: You really didn't need to expand on my behalf mate, you saying that you rate this young Welsh side over the best Irish team of all time was good enough for me 😉
 
87-0 ... Scoreline doesn't really reflect how the Namibians tried ... They just tired out near the end, and the Boks seemingly are very very hungry.

Props to Bryan Habana for beating Joost's record for tries.
 
Couple of stories to give you a laugh:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/rugby-world-cup-2011/ireland-faked-injuries-and-deliberately-slowed-game-says-fox-sports-commentator-tim-horan/story-e6frf4zl-1226143305674

Ireland had a deliberate plan to fake injuries each time there was a breakdown in play last Saturday, so they could slow the game down and frustrate the Wallabies.

How can I be sure? By talking to Irish assistant coach Alan Gaffney in the dressing rooms afterwards.

If James Horwill was more experienced as a captain, he would have blown up about it to referee Bryce Lawrence and really created a scene - there is no way Richie McCaw would have stayed silent if a team used the same tactics against the All Blacks.

Australia's future opponents will have taken notice of the strategy.

Ireland had a game plan for Australia and it worked a treat: to slow the game down just for stoppages, target them in the scrum, and put the high ball up at every opportunity.

They also used the "choker tackle" taught by their defensive coach Les Kiss. They identified that the Australian midfield ran quite upright and successfully held them up to get turnovers.

The shame was that Lawrence destroyed the spectacle of the game. Ireland deserved to win and always would have won, but the way Lawrence handled the match means he should not get another game at Rugby World Cup 2011.

It is about the spectacle, not just for the rugby diehards but for general sports fans who want to enjoy this tournament.

One thing that really bugs me is if the ball is at the back of the scrum, why reset it or blow a penalty? Why not let the game continue? When you are on the world stage, the referee has a responsibility to let the game flow.

But the Wallabies also have to realise that one in every 15 Test matches you play, you're going to have to win by playing a boring, unattractive brand of rugby, simply because of the conditions.

You're going to win 9-6 or 12-6, playing in the wet, in an ordinary Test, but it doesn't matter how unattractive it is - you do whatever it takes to win.

At the weekend, Australia ran when they should have kicked, and kicked when they should have run. Trying to play to one game plan all the time will not work when, like last Saturday, there was torrential rain beforehand and the ball was slippery.

Ireland came in with a very simple game plan that suited the conditions.

They hardly threw the ball wide and took short lineouts that allowed their forwards to run off centres Gordon D'Arcy and Brian O'Driscoll, which worked well during the Six Nations.

Australia were rushing their restarts, that didn't work in our favour and it's something Quade Cooper has to take responsibility for as a leader in the team.

It was a bad result, but we still have a good chance. I'm not going to talk about semi-finals just yet, but if we do end up on the other side of the draw and play South Africa in the quarter-finals, it's not a bad thing.

The Wallabies have defeated the Springboks in four of the last five encounters, we know how to beat them.

What the side needs to do now is ensure they pick up the maximum 10 points from their remaining two games, and it starts tomorrow night against the United States.

It has surprised some that Rob Horne has been chosen at inside centre but I saw it coming and I think it is a great move.

The plan looking forward would be to partner Horne and Adam Ashley-Cooper in the centres, and when Digby Ioane returns from injury I think we'll see that happen.

That is the midfield Australia is likely to take into finals. There is still hope for the Wallabies they can turn this around.

But they can only do it by having a Plan B if Plan A fails.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/rugby-world-cup-2011/rwc-chief-executive-martin-snedden-describes-new-zealands-treatment-of-australian-fans-as-disappointing/story-e6frf4zl-1226143633822

Rugby World Cup chief executive Martin Snedden described New Zealanders' treatment of Australian fans as "disappointing" after fierce trans-Tasman rivalries took on a spiteful edge.

Australian fans complained of being spat on and abused when the Wallabies slumped to a shock Rugby World Cup defeat against Ireland in Auckland last weekend, identifying New Zealanders, not travelling Irish fans, as the culprits.

Australia and New Zealand have always enjoyed a healthy level of sporting rivalry but Snedden said it would be uncharacteristic if it had crossed the line into outright hostility.

"The overwhelming response here has been one of welcoming and supporting the visiting teams and their fans," the RWC chief said.

"If some visiting Wallaby fans have not been welcomed this way, we would be very disappointed, as this would definitely be out of character with the way New Zealanders have looked after our visitors over the past two weeks."

An online poll conducted by the Sydney newspaper found 61 per cent of 10,500 respondents felt threatened attending a game with New Zealand supporters.

The home fans' rancour towards Australia has been partly fuelled by New Zealand-born Quade Cooper's presence in the Wallabies' team, particularly as he has a reputation for needling the All Blacks' revered skipper Richie McCaw.

The Wallabies are also seen as perhaps the main obstacle to the All Blacks' hopes of breaking a 24-year World Cup drought, explaining the unrestrained glee with which many New Zealanders greeted Australia's 15-6 loss to Ireland.

All Blacks assistant coach Steve Hansen admitted he was enjoying Australia's discomfort but said the historic rivalry was tempered with respect.

"I mean we've gone to war and fought shoulder to shoulder," he told reporters on Wednesday.

"They're probably looked upon as the big brother and we're the little brother, we want to belt them, they want to belt us.

"So if they're suffering a bit at the moment, the little brother will be smiling and chuckling away, won't he? So we'll enjoy that while we can."

However, TVNZ presenter Alison Mau, an Australian who moved across the Tasman in the 1990s, said she had never seen such vitriol against her homeland.

"For the first time, I feel there might be a bit more to it that just good fun between mates. It worries me," she told the New Zealand Herald.

"The worst sledges (insults) are generally fuelled by alcohol and are both unprintable and not worth the ink."

She attributed the animosity to New Zealand's inferiority complex about Australia, which is both richer than its neighbour and has long enjoyed sporting ascendancy, including winning two Rugby World Cups to New Zealand's one.
 
I don't really remember that many injuries from the game, and everything else (choke tackles, putting pressure on the opposition scrum, using the high ball, playing a game that suited the conditions) is 100 % legal.

Sour grapes
 
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I don't really remember that many injuries from the game, and everything else (choke tackles, putting pressure on the opposition scrum, using the high ball, playing a game that suited the conditions) is 100 % legal.

Sour grapes
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Yeah the injuries thing is balls, and sure as hell Alan Gaffney wouldn't be spouting about it to the press afterwards if it was a plan.
 
Team to face Russia:

Ireland: 15 Robert Kearney, 14 Fergus McFadden, 13 Keith Earls, 12 Paddy Wallace, 11 Andrew Trimble, 10 Ronan O'Gara, 9 Isaac Boss, 8 Jamie Heaslip, 7 Sean O'Brien, 6 Donnacha Ryan, 5 Leo Cullen (captain), 4 Donncha O'Callaghan, 3 Tony Buckley, 2 Sean Cronin, 1 Cian Healy.

I would have rested Healy and O'Brien. But since they're in alongside Kearney it must be the management feel they all need more game time after coming back from injury. Same goes for Heaslip probably too, he hasn't looked himself recently.
 
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Team to face Russia:

Ireland: 15 Robert Kearney, 14 Fergus McFadden, 13 Keith Earls, 12 Paddy Wallace, 11 Andrew Trimble, 10 Ronan O'Gara, 9 Isaac Boss, 8 Jamie Heaslip, 7 Sean O'Brien, 6 Donnacha Ryan, 5 Leo Cullen (captain), 4 Donncha O'Callaghan, 3 Tony Buckley, 2 Sean Cronin, 1 Cian Healy.

I would have rested Healy and O'Brien. But since they're in alongside Kearney it must be the management feel they all need more game time after coming back from injury. Same goes for Heaslip probably too, he hasn't looked himself recently.
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Heaslip looks a shadow of himself. He was looking like arguably the best number 8 in world rugby for a while but seems to have lost that spark. Hope it comes back soon. Kearney needs to refind the mojo too, although he had an encouraging game against the Aussies.
 
I know he played through a lot of the second half of last season with an ankle problem but it doesn't look like that's the issue now - he just looks a lot less physical than before
 
DECLAN Kidney has branded Tim Horan's allegation that Ireland feigned injuries against Australia as "incredulous and slightly scandalous".

Wallaby great Horan, writing in his column in an Australian newspaper, accused the Irish of subterfuge in Saturday's 15-6 victory at Eden Park.

"Ireland had a deliberate plan to fake injuries each time there was a breakdown in play so they could slow the game down and frustrate the Wallabies," said Horan.

"How can I be sure? By talking to Irish assistant coach Alan Gaffney in the dressing rooms afterwards."

Kidney is furious that Gaffney was implicated and dismissed the claim made by Horan, who won 80 caps for Australia between 1989-2000.

"What I can tell you for definite is that the reporter in question (Horan) was never in the dressing room," said Kidney.

"The coach in question (Gaffney) never spoke to him, so I'll let you make your own inferences into how he feels he can quote something that was never said.

"It's incredulous and slightly scandalous that he'd try to bring one of his fellow countrymen into something that is totally untrue.

"It's for other people to have their standards in life."

Horan criticised referee Bryce Lawrence and stated he should not officiate another match at the World Cup, but admitted "Ireland deserved to win and always would have won".
 
He is right about one thing though, and that's Lawrence's reffing which has been poor so far, plagued by inconsistency. Kaplan on the other hand, whom I've always found overrated, has done OK.
 
Refereeing is a massive problem for international rugby. I sympathise with the refs to an extent, as it is an immensely difficult game to ref, but they need to be surer when they give a pen that it is- especially at the scrum and the breakdown. Some of Lawrence's decisions were laughably bad, and they went both ways which I suppose means he balanced out the shit.
 
I still wonder whatever happened to the offside rule. It seems to have completely fallen by the wayside. And defences always seem to get the benefit of the doubt too.
It's gone a little bit ridiculous. Referees still don't know how to judge a scrum either, they always presume the team on top are not making mistakes - and we benefited from that massively last weekend.

On another note had I watched a bit more of Quade Cooper before picking Oz to win the World Cup I would have never picked them. He's exactly the type of player I hate at 10, mercurial/unreliable.

For me 2/9/10/15 are reserved for players who won't cost you the game. Anyone who can't do the basics of the position well doesn't deserve to start. I can give example of needed but in terms of hooker think Anton Oliver v France. He gave France a platform to get their game game going from.
 
Injury woes aplenty for the Wallabies:

Rob Horne - Fractured cheekbone
Pat McCabe - Dislocated shoulder
Anthony Faingaa - Concussed
Kurtley Beale - Hamstring
Wycliff Palu - Hamstring
James O'Connor - Hamstring
Digby Ioane - Broken thumb
David Pocock - Back
Scott Higginbotham - Back

They're going to have to draft in replacements, particularly in the backs. Giteau might get a game after all.
 
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I still wonder whatever happened to the offside rule. It seems to have completely fallen by the wayside. And defences always seem to get the benefit of the doubt too.
It's gone a little bit ridiculous. Referees still don't know how to judge a scrum either, they always presume the team on top are not making mistakes - and we benefited from that massively last weekend.

On another note had I watched a bit more of Quade Cooper before picking Oz to win the World Cup I would have never picked them. He's exactly the type of player I hate at 10, mercurial/unreliable.

For me 2/9/10/15 are reserved for players who won't cost you the game. Anyone who can't do the basics of the position well doesn't deserve to start. I can give example of needed but in terms of hooker think Anton Oliver v France. He gave France a platform to get their game game going from.
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Poite - whom I rate normally - tried to redress that balance a bit this morning, pinging England a number of times for collapsing the scrum. Against Romania, in the second half, with England 50 points ahead. FFS.
 
haha ... missed that game this morning.

France have just been on top for the first 8 minutes in this game, the All Blacks get one decent attacking opportunity - Nonu beats about four of them, and after the ruck he sets up it was try time out wide. So dangerous

5-0 .
 
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