Rugby World Cup 2011
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=45879.msg1412300#msg1412300 date=1318682358]
I neither mentioned "accident" nor implied it. I stand corrected in respect of dropping the man though. If that's an automatic red card Rolland had no choice. If it isn't, he did have a choice and should have exercised it. I'd add that the rule in question pretty much means Warburton could not have done anything other than foul his man one way or the other - pick him up or obstruct him.
Interesting that you weren't quite so fastidious when Mealamu and Umaga (I think it was) tried to turn O'Driscoll into a tentpole that time.
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I love the word 'fastidious', well in mate.
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=45879.msg1412300#msg1412300 date=1318682358]
I neither mentioned "accident" nor implied it. I stand corrected in respect of dropping the man though. If that's an automatic red card Rolland had no choice. If it isn't, he did have a choice and should have exercised it. I'd add that the rule in question pretty much means Warburton could not have done anything other than foul his man one way or the other - pick him up or obstruct him.
Interesting that you weren't quite so fastidious when Mealamu and Umaga (I think it was) tried to turn O'Driscoll into a tentpole that time.
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I love the word 'fastidious', well in mate.
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=45879.msg1412311#msg1412311 date=1318682765]
It was that incident that changed the way spear tackles are reffed JJ.
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Gotcha. Furry muff.
It was that incident that changed the way spear tackles are reffed JJ.
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Gotcha. Furry muff.
We did ourselves proud considering the circumstances. Still saying that we really have to start winning games like these, we have the chances but seem to fail to get over the finishing line come the big matches.
I'm not going to single out any or our lads for special praise because they were all 100% commited and nearly to a man they performed well.
Gutted, yet proud.
I'm not going to single out any or our lads for special praise because they were all 100% commited and nearly to a man they performed well.
Gutted, yet proud.
If I was a French player, right now I'd be shitting it. The intensity of the AB game will smash the French to pieces.
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Wales were also very intense but some how France absorbed it. Maybe the extra man gave France an easier task. France will keep on kicking the ball and hope for penalty. That said, if NZ keep their players they will walk all over the French. The Blacks are back!
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In an average game of rugby, most teams expect to make 7 points on an opponent during a sin-binning, such is the advantage of the extra man, even for a 10 minute period. France were damned awful, and the fact that they could barely compete with a 14 man Wales is an indictment of them.
The ABs will squish them.
Wales were also very intense but some how France absorbed it. Maybe the extra man gave France an easier task. France will keep on kicking the ball and hope for penalty. That said, if NZ keep their players they will walk all over the French. The Blacks are back!
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In an average game of rugby, most teams expect to make 7 points on an opponent during a sin-binning, such is the advantage of the extra man, even for a 10 minute period. France were damned awful, and the fact that they could barely compete with a 14 man Wales is an indictment of them.
The ABs will squish them.
...unless they get the yips, which has happened to them before against the French.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=45879.msg1412284#msg1412284 date=1318681724]
I don't agree. Not only was there zero room for Warburton to tackle in any other way, he then visibly let go of his man when the latter's legs got higher than his head, in order to avoid piledriving him downwards. It was an appalling decision.
That said, Wales could still have kicked their way into the Final.
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The Rule is clear, if you lift him you have to make sure you bring him back down to ground safely. You can't just let him go mid air!
I don't agree. Not only was there zero room for Warburton to tackle in any other way, he then visibly let go of his man when the latter's legs got higher than his head, in order to avoid piledriving him downwards. It was an appalling decision.
That said, Wales could still have kicked their way into the Final.
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The Rule is clear, if you lift him you have to make sure you bring him back down to ground safely. You can't just let him go mid air!
I'm over it so i feel i can now discuss the issue without crying.
Look if you go to the letter of the law then it was a red card offence, however, if we go down this route then expect reds cards in every single game of rugby union ( i mean if this is the case, then Rolland should of sent off at least 2 French players directly after the tackle for striking).
A few other things:
We've seen around 4-5 other spear tackles (most have been worse than Sam's) in this World Cup and none have recieved red cards, some not even yellows.
Nearly all of the ex rugby playing pundits agree that it was a spear tackle, yet should not of been a red card.
Anyone who knows what they're talking about could see that Sam had no intention of hurting him.
When there is such a physical mis-match in players sizes, i'm sorry tackles like this will happen.
In Rugby i have never seen a ref give a red card so quickly, he should of at least taken some time to check with his assisstants.
Rolland is French
I would happily give Rolland a demo of what a proper spear tackle is.
Look if you go to the letter of the law then it was a red card offence, however, if we go down this route then expect reds cards in every single game of rugby union ( i mean if this is the case, then Rolland should of sent off at least 2 French players directly after the tackle for striking).
A few other things:
We've seen around 4-5 other spear tackles (most have been worse than Sam's) in this World Cup and none have recieved red cards, some not even yellows.
Nearly all of the ex rugby playing pundits agree that it was a spear tackle, yet should not of been a red card.
Anyone who knows what they're talking about could see that Sam had no intention of hurting him.
When there is such a physical mis-match in players sizes, i'm sorry tackles like this will happen.
In Rugby i have never seen a ref give a red card so quickly, he should of at least taken some time to check with his assisstants.
Rolland is French
I would happily give Rolland a demo of what a proper spear tackle is.
Gatland said yesterday that he didn't agree with the decision but Rolland was perfectly entitled to give the red card. Which is probably correct.
There's only about a stone between them Rafa, Warburton isn't particularly big. Tackles like this only happen when you deliberately lift an turn someone in the air, nobody has ever been accidentally speared. And that's why they're reffed harshly.
There's only about a stone between them Rafa, Warburton isn't particularly big. Tackles like this only happen when you deliberately lift an turn someone in the air, nobody has ever been accidentally speared. And that's why they're reffed harshly.
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=45879.msg1412284#msg1412284 date=1318681724]
I don't agree. Not only was there zero room for Warburton to tackle in any other way, he then visibly let go of his man when the latter's legs got higher than his head, in order to avoid piledriving him downwards. It was an appalling decision.
That said, Wales could still have kicked their way into the Final.
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The Rule is clear, if you lift him you have to make sure you bring him back down to ground safely. You can't just let him go mid air!
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I already acknowledged that when Ross explained the rule. Best to read the whole thread before contributing. Don't go catching Spider-neil disease. 😉
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=45879.msg1412284#msg1412284 date=1318681724]
I don't agree. Not only was there zero room for Warburton to tackle in any other way, he then visibly let go of his man when the latter's legs got higher than his head, in order to avoid piledriving him downwards. It was an appalling decision.
That said, Wales could still have kicked their way into the Final.
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The Rule is clear, if you lift him you have to make sure you bring him back down to ground safely. You can't just let him go mid air!
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I already acknowledged that when Ross explained the rule. Best to read the whole thread before contributing. Don't go catching Spider-neil disease. 😉
Ok maybe not size wise mate, but it's clear that Sam is far more powerful. In my eyes he just smashed him and won the collision so well that it resulted in a spear tackle. Like i said to the letter of the law then it was a red card, but i hope and pray that rugby is not ref'd in this manner on a more regular basis.
If all the other worse examples of spear tackles had resulted in red cards in this WC + if he'd driven him down into the ground then i'd feel a lot less pissy about it.
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If you're going to ref to the letter of the law Mr Rolland then please don't stop doing so directly after you've sent one of our players off.
If all the other worse examples of spear tackles had resulted in red cards in this WC + if he'd driven him down into the ground then i'd feel a lot less pissy about it.
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If you're going to ref to the letter of the law Mr Rolland then please don't stop doing so directly after you've sent one of our players off.
Flood should have a shout at 10 IMO as we haven't seen automatic selection candidates in that position in either the Irish or the Welsh teams, and a fit Sheridan should make the trip. Ashton might get in if he recovered some form. Gray, the Scottish second-row, would have a chance. Otherwise, the cupboard is pretty bare.
Priestland was in a WC XV in a NZ paper. The Welsh halves would be shoo-ins. I'd pick Ashton though.
Aus team for 3rd/4th place game:
Kurtley Beale, James O'Connor, Adam Ashley-Cooper, Berrick Barnes, Digby Ioane , Quade Cooper, Will Genia
Ben McCalman, David Pocock, Scott Higginbotham, Nathan Sharpe, James Horwill (capt), Salesi Ma'afu, Tatafu Polota Nau, James Slipper
100th cap for Sharpe.
Mixed messages from the Wallabies re this game. Some players are up for it, some are on record as saying they’re not interested, despite the fact that they’ll be playing. Personally, I think teams should go for it, I expect Wales to.
Despite reaching the semis, the Wallabies WC campaign is being viewed as poor. The Press has rounded on them big time. They were in great form coming out of the Tri-Nations but they never really got going in this tourno. Genia couldn’t repeat his Super Rugby form and Cooper has been terrible. Those two players fired the QLD Reds to the title and Deans has spent 2 years moulding his team around them. The team were hampered by some injuries, Beale was a big loss in the semi, as was Pocock against Ireland but, realistically, they haven’t performed at all.
Can’t see the French putting up much resistance (no jokes) this weekend; NZ are very strong. I think a team of the tourno would have to feature all of their 3/4s (Dagg, Jane, Smith, Nonu & Kahui), although I’d have the Welsh half-backs, in Carter’s absence anyway. There is genuine disappointment both sides of the Tasman that Wales are not in the Final.
Kurtley Beale, James O'Connor, Adam Ashley-Cooper, Berrick Barnes, Digby Ioane , Quade Cooper, Will Genia
Ben McCalman, David Pocock, Scott Higginbotham, Nathan Sharpe, James Horwill (capt), Salesi Ma'afu, Tatafu Polota Nau, James Slipper
100th cap for Sharpe.
Mixed messages from the Wallabies re this game. Some players are up for it, some are on record as saying they’re not interested, despite the fact that they’ll be playing. Personally, I think teams should go for it, I expect Wales to.
Despite reaching the semis, the Wallabies WC campaign is being viewed as poor. The Press has rounded on them big time. They were in great form coming out of the Tri-Nations but they never really got going in this tourno. Genia couldn’t repeat his Super Rugby form and Cooper has been terrible. Those two players fired the QLD Reds to the title and Deans has spent 2 years moulding his team around them. The team were hampered by some injuries, Beale was a big loss in the semi, as was Pocock against Ireland but, realistically, they haven’t performed at all.
Can’t see the French putting up much resistance (no jokes) this weekend; NZ are very strong. I think a team of the tourno would have to feature all of their 3/4s (Dagg, Jane, Smith, Nonu & Kahui), although I’d have the Welsh half-backs, in Carter’s absence anyway. There is genuine disappointment both sides of the Tasman that Wales are not in the Final.
*Cackle*
Pretty shite game apart from the first 10mins from the Aussies and the last 10mins from Wales.
Felt sorry for Quade Cooper, he's had a shocking WC but was playing really well today until he did his cruciate (6 months out).
Shame Rolland wasn't reff'ing the game, the Aussies would of been down to 14 men early doors.
Felt sorry for Quade Cooper, he's had a shocking WC but was playing really well today until he did his cruciate (6 months out).
Shame Rolland wasn't reff'ing the game, the Aussies would of been down to 14 men early doors.
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