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Not at all. he's done fuck all to suggest he'd do well at Anfield and plenty to suggest a big job is beyond him. No thanks.
Same goes for McCleish.
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How has McCleish demonstrated a big job is beyond him?
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Ok.
In 5 years managing Rangers he won the Scottish league twice; hardly earth-shattering.
He managed Scotland and failed to qualify for the Euros; mediocre.
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At least do your research Buddha.
He won the league twice, but in the first year he took over after Christmas with Advocaat's team 16 points behind, and really struggling. He closed the gap and beat O'Neill to win the Sctottish Cup and won the double the next season. His record was thus 2 from 4, with very little backing from the board who had blown the kitty, and against the supposedly imperious MON. Scotland- he took over halfway through the qualifying campaign (he had 1 year)- had an excellent 70% win rate, including beating the French in Paris, something Scotland couldn't dream of doing. He was a ball-hair from qualifying from a group including France and Italy. Mediocre my arse. You don't know what you're talking about, other than what you've gleaned from Wiki.
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Calm down Doc. Your aggravation doesn't change the fact that he won the Scottish title 2 from 4 (so sorry I said 2 from 5), didn't qualify for the Euro's (despite a win over the French) and relegated birmingham before taking them back up and doing ok this year with an injury-free squad.
Wow fucking wee.
He's obviously a proficient enough manager but I'd want a little more than that at Anfield.
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I'm perfectly calm, even though your argument is based on stats that you haven't analysed very well and is pretty infuriating.
Again with Brum, he took over when they were already in trouble, he didn't have a full season, so its hardly fair to say he got them relegated. He got them promoted and has done a fantastic job this season without spending much at all. Again, you're citing his failure to qualify for the Euros as if it is a stain on his rep. He did a fantastic job with Scotland, and the SFA would have loved him to have stayed on.
BTW a nice wee badge of honour on his CV is that in his first managerial job, he took lowly Motherwell to finish 2nd in the SPL, ahead of Celtic, and did a terrific job with Hibs too. He's better than 'proficient', much better.
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I'd say taking over at the end of November gave him plenty of time to prevent Birmingham getting relegated that season, so still see that season as a failure. That means in two seasons in the prem league he's managed a relegation and a mid-table finish. That's not good enough in my book.
Granted, I've not taken into account the context of some of the stats of his management tenures (you've got me on that), but whatever good jobs he made of his time in Scottish football, I can't accept them as good evidence he'd do well for a top tier club in the english premier league. His recent efforts at Birmingham just aren't convincing enough for me.
