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LadyRed

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The Sky Sports commentators were talking about managers taking risks to win games, and said Roy knew best what the consequences of him losing today were. Is he really under pressure?

This week Roy's talked up Peacheco and Babel and about giving them chances, if he took risks and played them and it didn't come off, I know I'd respect him more, rather than this way.

Why is he scared to take risks? Is he really on that much of a knife edge?
 
The thing is, as Fulham manager, this would have been generally considered a very good result. I think he's struggling to come to terms with the fact that everyone expects Liverpool to win almost every game they play.

Either that or he just forgot where he was.
 
He just said in the post match interview that he didn't expect to win the game
beforehand as he had a lot of players away on International duty. So spot on Bunster.

Maybe it is time we all re-thought our expectations for the season
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=41848.msg1173180#msg1173180 date=1284311976]
Well, I was hoping for 4th.
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ha
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=41848.msg1173168#msg1173168 date=1284311779]
He just said in the post match interview that he didn't expect to win the game
beforehand as he had a lot of players away on International duty. So spot on Bunster.

Maybe it is time we all re-thought our expectations for the season
[/quote]

WHAAAAAAAAT!

Didn't expect to win? That's a god awful way to go into a game
 
It's not bordering on, it is..

Champions League football is well within our grasp with this squad, but not if this manager has this approach.

Say what you want about Rafa, but as a manager he could take an average squad and beat any big clubs in a once off.

It seems Roy bases his tactics on avoiding a defeat to teams lesser than us
 
[quote author=localny link=topic=41848.msg1173201#msg1173201 date=1284312539]

It seems Roy bases his tactics on avoiding a defeat to teams lesser than us
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So did Rafa.
 
It isn't about risk taking it is about putting players on the pitch with invention, guile, creativity, pace and power or some of the aforementioned.

We had non on the pitch, he could have at least tried babel or pacheco but he didn't cos he only wanted a point.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41848.msg1173203#msg1173203 date=1284312623]
[quote author=localny link=topic=41848.msg1173201#msg1173201 date=1284312539]

It seems Roy bases his tactics on avoiding a defeat to teams lesser than us
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So did Rafa.
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Agreed. But at least he had the cunning to beat the bigger teams.

Anyway, we wanted someone more adventurous and we've got someone the same or worse in this department
 
[quote author=Dahuge link=topic=41848.msg1173206#msg1173206 date=1284312709]
It isn't about risk taking it is about putting players on the pitch with invention, guile, creativity, pace and power or some of the aforementioned.

We had non on the pitch, he could have at least tried babel or pacheco but he didn't cos he only wanted a point.
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We had them on the pitch all right, but they'd left their shooting boots (and their backbone) in the dressing-room.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41848.msg1173164#msg1173164 date=1284311659]
The thing is, as Fulham manager, this would have been generally considered a very good result. I think he's struggling to come to terms with the fact that everyone expects Liverpool to win almost every game they play.

Either that or he just forgot where he was.
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It's still pretty much Rafa's team, but he should have been bolder (again) with his subs. That said, Brum have a terrific home record and haven't been beaten there for over a year, and we haven't beat them there in the league for several seasons either.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41848.msg1173309#msg1173309 date=1284318572]
That's all true, but there were signs in the second half IMO that we could have taken them had we gone for it.
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We looked like we were trying to walk it in at times, but yeah I agree, we looked capable but were far too timid when given a sight of goal, Babel should have come on.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41848.msg1173333#msg1173333 date=1284319806]
Did he really come out and say that he didn't expect to win beforehand?
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I'm pissed off he had that attitude, but to give him some benefit of the doubt, that was Birmingham's 17th straight undefeated match at St Andrews.

With that in mind a win was definitely not a certainty.
 
It was a difficult game, I think everyone will acknowledge that. To go in with a losers attitude and then have that reflected in your approach is unacceptable.
 
i'm trying to work out which is worse - giving up in a game with 20 minutes to go ala rafa or going into a game not expecting to win.

fuck it, hodgson is far far far worse a manager than rafa on a bad day. the only risk hodgson will ever take is whether to only play one of pooson or lucshit.
 
Rafa ended his Liverpool career with Nabil El Zhar as a starting striker. I'd rephrase if I were you.
 
[quote author=ragehard link=topic=41848.msg1173535#msg1173535 date=1284362859]
i'm trying to work out which is worse - giving up in a game with 20 minutes to go ala rafa or going into a game not expecting to win.

fuck it, hodgson is far far far worse a manager than rafa on a bad day. the only risk hodgson will ever take is whether to only play one of pooson or lucshit.
[/quote]

Yeah, that would explain why when Cole has been available he's opted for Gerrard in central midfield, and he's just spunked £11m on a Portuguese International central midfielder!!!

Fucking hell.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41848.msg1173538#msg1173538 date=1284363020]
[quote author=ragehard link=topic=41848.msg1173535#msg1173535 date=1284362859]
i'm trying to work out which is worse - giving up in a game with 20 minutes to go ala rafa or going into a game not expecting to win.

fuck it, hodgson is far far far worse a manager than rafa on a bad day. the only risk hodgson will ever take is whether to only play one of pooson or lucshit.
[/quote]

Yeah, that would explain why when Cole has been available he's opted for Gerrard in central midfield, and he's just spunked £11m on a Portuguese International central midfielder!!!

Fucking hell.
[/quote]

ragehard's approach is a little heavy handed but everyone who saw that starting line up knew we were in for a long afternoon. he (roy) saw the entire first half where gerrard and torres hardly touched the ball and the middle of the park was all over the place.

he had the option of dropping gerrard deeper to get the double impact of solidity AND creativity and not until the 70th minute did he make changes, so you have to ask was he happy with what he was seeing;

if the answer is yes, then why didn't he change things (earlier)?

if the answer is no, then I am even more worried.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41848.msg1173541#msg1173541 date=1284363420]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41848.msg1173538#msg1173538 date=1284363020]
[quote author=ragehard link=topic=41848.msg1173535#msg1173535 date=1284362859]
i'm trying to work out which is worse - giving up in a game with 20 minutes to go ala rafa or going into a game not expecting to win.

fuck it, hodgson is far far far worse a manager than rafa on a bad day. the only risk hodgson will ever take is whether to only play one of pooson or lucshit.
[/quote]

Yeah, that would explain why when Cole has been available he's opted for Gerrard in central midfield, and he's just spunked £11m on a Portuguese International central midfielder!!!

Fucking hell.
[/quote]

ragehard's approach is a little heavy handed but everyone who saw that starting line up knew we were in for a long afternoon. he (roy) saw the entire first half where gerrard and torres hardly touched the ball and the middle of the park was all over the place.

he had the option of dropping gerrard deeper to get the double impact of solidity AND creativity and not until the 70th minute did he make changes, so you have to ask was he happy with what he was seeing;

if the answer is yes, then why didn't he change things (earlier)?

if the answer is no, then I am even more worried.
[/quote]

Look, as retarded a partnership it is, it's fairly fucking clear to ANYONE that when he's had everyone available his first option isn't Lucas and Poulsen.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41848.msg1173543#msg1173543 date=1284363508]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41848.msg1173541#msg1173541 date=1284363420]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41848.msg1173538#msg1173538 date=1284363020]
[quote author=ragehard link=topic=41848.msg1173535#msg1173535 date=1284362859]
i'm trying to work out which is worse - giving up in a game with 20 minutes to go ala rafa or going into a game not expecting to win.

fuck it, hodgson is far far far worse a manager than rafa on a bad day. the only risk hodgson will ever take is whether to only play one of pooson or lucshit.
[/quote]

Yeah, that would explain why when Cole has been available he's opted for Gerrard in central midfield, and he's just spunked £11m on a Portuguese International central midfielder!!!

Fucking hell.
[/quote]

ragehard's approach is a little heavy handed but everyone who saw that starting line up knew we were in for a long afternoon. he (roy) saw the entire first half where gerrard and torres hardly touched the ball and the middle of the park was all over the place.

he had the option of dropping gerrard deeper to get the double impact of solidity AND creativity and not until the 70th minute did he make changes, so you have to ask was he happy with what he was seeing;

if the answer is yes, then why didn't he change things (earlier)?

if the answer is no, then I am even more worried.
[/quote]

Look, as retarded a partnership it is, it's fairly fucking clear to ANYONE that when he's had everyone available his first option isn't Lucas and Poulsen.
[/quote]

well if that is truly the last of those two togther then fair enough.
 
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