Refs hit back at Fergie .... again
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36754.msg972252#msg972252 date=1256626148]
It's not just Jeff Winter.
And we did get some favourable decisions yesterday too, so Fergie's outbursts could be costing him.
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It reeks of bandwagon-jumping though.
Are we going to get an in-depth interrogation and explanation of the rules from Jeff Winter now everytime a Manager questions the Professional Foul rule?
It's not just Jeff Winter.
And we did get some favourable decisions yesterday too, so Fergie's outbursts could be costing him.
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It reeks of bandwagon-jumping though.
Are we going to get an in-depth interrogation and explanation of the rules from Jeff Winter now everytime a Manager questions the Professional Foul rule?
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36754.msg972250#msg972250 date=1256626049]
Saw this earlier. It's Jeff Winter, who's opinion on things in the grand scheme of things is about as noteworthy as someone from this Forum.
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Not so sure about that. If Fergie isn't punished enough I think the Refs will respond in some manner and I think Winter is making sure the FA understand this.
Saw this earlier. It's Jeff Winter, who's opinion on things in the grand scheme of things is about as noteworthy as someone from this Forum.
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Not so sure about that. If Fergie isn't punished enough I think the Refs will respond in some manner and I think Winter is making sure the FA understand this.
I would really like to know what people think about Carra's tackle on Carrick?
A few United fans that I know seem to think that it is a definite penalty. However when I look at the replay of that incident carefully I see that Carra also got the ball. In my opinion it's not a penalty and we've certainly seen worse that didn't end up in a penalty being given.
A few United fans that I know seem to think that it is a definite penalty. However when I look at the replay of that incident carefully I see that Carra also got the ball. In my opinion it's not a penalty and we've certainly seen worse that didn't end up in a penalty being given.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36754.msg972260#msg972260 date=1256626648]
It's not Jeff Winter I'm interested in. The other unnamed ref that's quoted is still in the game and I presume he's not the only one that thinks along those lines.
Fergie has dug himself a hole.
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Fergie ought to retire gracefully, if knows what is good for him...
*clutching at straws*
It's not Jeff Winter I'm interested in. The other unnamed ref that's quoted is still in the game and I presume he's not the only one that thinks along those lines.
Fergie has dug himself a hole.
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Fergie ought to retire gracefully, if knows what is good for him...
*clutching at straws*
[quote author=El Nino link=topic=36754.msg972259#msg972259 date=1256626599]
I would really like to know what people think about Cara's tackle on Carrick?
A few United fans that I know seem to think that it is a definite penalty. however when I look at the replay of that incident carefully I see that Carra also got the ball. In my opinion it's not a penalty and we've certainly seen worse that didn't end up in a penalty being given.
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He won the ball. It wasnt a penalty in my eyes, even Carrick didnt protest much from what I saw.
Was just Fergie spitting his dummy out in a spectacularly pathetic fashion the crazy old goat!
If Rafa behaved like that id be embarrassed and the media would slaughter him!
I would really like to know what people think about Cara's tackle on Carrick?
A few United fans that I know seem to think that it is a definite penalty. however when I look at the replay of that incident carefully I see that Carra also got the ball. In my opinion it's not a penalty and we've certainly seen worse that didn't end up in a penalty being given.
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He won the ball. It wasnt a penalty in my eyes, even Carrick didnt protest much from what I saw.
Was just Fergie spitting his dummy out in a spectacularly pathetic fashion the crazy old goat!
If Rafa behaved like that id be embarrassed and the media would slaughter him!
I don't think it as much matters who is saying it, more the fact that it's being said. And better Jeff Winters than a journalist opinion piece, surely?
There seems to be a far more concerted effort to make sure that Ferguson is no longer indulged in the manner he has been. Regardless of whether it works, it is surely applying a little bit of pressure that wasn't there previously.
There seems to be a far more concerted effort to make sure that Ferguson is no longer indulged in the manner he has been. Regardless of whether it works, it is surely applying a little bit of pressure that wasn't there previously.
Fergie wanted a straight red to Carra, but questioned that Vidic was sent off... That says it all...
It's frustration on Fergies part, losing points has started to get to him and I certainly agree he is deflecting attention away from how poor his team have played on occasions.
I think Winters does still have some influence over some current refs, and the whole bandwagon thing is a good thing for anyone who wants Fergie to get done for these things, but like the piece points out the F.A are taking it at snails pace, he will not get a stadium ban at all
I think Winters does still have some influence over some current refs, and the whole bandwagon thing is a good thing for anyone who wants Fergie to get done for these things, but like the piece points out the F.A are taking it at snails pace, he will not get a stadium ban at all
They'll pussyfoot around Fergie, as usual.
Watching the last word on Sunday, all the major issues were highlighted. In every case the referee was is a perfect position to make his decision.
Maybe ferguson would have preferred the "unfit" Wiley to have been so far away from the action that he could have awarded a penalty and a red card.
Maybe ferguson would have preferred the "unfit" Wiley to have been so far away from the action that he could have awarded a penalty and a red card.
Some of the things he said on Sunday seemed more like the moans of a pub drunk than a Premiership manager. Take his claims about Vidic's first booking: "It is a foul, fine. But the player has played on, he won the second ball and knocked it for a throw in and the reaction of the fans got him booked." Madness. He got booked for kicking at Torres after fouling him. Then Ginsoak gave a list of all the things that went against his team, then said he had no complaints about being beaten. He's really lost the ability to get away with this kind of nonsense this season. As I said in the summer, it would only take one serious response to his antics to knock the stuffing out of him, and we're seeing that now.
Fergie accepts FA charge
Red Devils boss requests personal hearing regarding Wiley rant
Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has accepted a charge of improper conduct after his comments regarding referee Alan Wiley.
In his post-match interview after the Red Devils' late draw with Sunderland at Old Trafford at the beginning of October, the Scot suggested Wiley was not physically fit.
The Football Association, which has been running a Respect campaign, therefore decided to take action against the United boss.
Ferguson has admitted the charge and has requested a personal hearing, for which a date has yet to be set.
The referees' union, Prospect, has called for the 67-year-old to be handed a lengthy touchline ban and fine.
Ferguson was also critical of referee Andre Marriner following United's defeat to Liverpool on Sunday, suggesting the match official lacked the necessary experience.
Red Devils boss requests personal hearing regarding Wiley rant
Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has accepted a charge of improper conduct after his comments regarding referee Alan Wiley.
In his post-match interview after the Red Devils' late draw with Sunderland at Old Trafford at the beginning of October, the Scot suggested Wiley was not physically fit.
The Football Association, which has been running a Respect campaign, therefore decided to take action against the United boss.
Ferguson has admitted the charge and has requested a personal hearing, for which a date has yet to be set.
The referees' union, Prospect, has called for the 67-year-old to be handed a lengthy touchline ban and fine.
Ferguson was also critical of referee Andre Marriner following United's defeat to Liverpool on Sunday, suggesting the match official lacked the necessary experience.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=36754.msg972254#msg972254 date=1256626304]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36754.msg972252#msg972252 date=1256626148]
It's not just Jeff Winter.
And we did get some favourable decisions yesterday too, so Fergie's outbursts could be costing him.
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It reeks of bandwagon-jumping though.
Are we going to get an in-depth interrogation and explanation of the rules from Jeff Winter now everytime a Manager questions the Professional Foul rule?
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Hardly, I take it you haven't followed his "League of Injustice" series.
http://www.jeffwinterentertainmentandmedia.co.uk/
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36754.msg972252#msg972252 date=1256626148]
It's not just Jeff Winter.
And we did get some favourable decisions yesterday too, so Fergie's outbursts could be costing him.
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It reeks of bandwagon-jumping though.
Are we going to get an in-depth interrogation and explanation of the rules from Jeff Winter now everytime a Manager questions the Professional Foul rule?
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Hardly, I take it you haven't followed his "League of Injustice" series.
http://www.jeffwinterentertainmentandmedia.co.uk/
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[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=36754.msg972428#msg972428 date=1256643391]
Fergie wanted a straight red to Carra, but questioned that Vidic was sent off... That says it all...
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Exactly so. Both players got booked for a very similar challenge. All managers scream out for consistency and then when it goes against him, he throws his toys out the pram. Fergie's becoming a bit of an embarrassment in recent weeks, although he did praise our victory so fair play to that.
Oh I quite like hearing a ref's analysis of a match.
Fergie wanted a straight red to Carra, but questioned that Vidic was sent off... That says it all...
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Exactly so. Both players got booked for a very similar challenge. All managers scream out for consistency and then when it goes against him, he throws his toys out the pram. Fergie's becoming a bit of an embarrassment in recent weeks, although he did praise our victory so fair play to that.
Oh I quite like hearing a ref's analysis of a match.
I'm getting addicted to the ludicrous little man. Have you read his own - very real - diaries? They're Pooter-esque. Here's an edited highlight of the last one:
Stunning! :laugh:
http://www.jeffwinterentertainmentandmedia.co.uk/world/0910012.php
Stunning! :laugh:
http://www.jeffwinterentertainmentandmedia.co.uk/world/0910012.php
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36754.msg972252#msg972252 date=1256626148]
It's not just Jeff Winter.
And we did get some favourable decisions yesterday too, so Fergie's outbursts could be costing him.
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I thought the ref leaned our way in the first half, but as always is the case, United players put pressure on him on half time, and he acted favourably to United on occasions in the second half.
I didn't think it was a sending off, it wasn't a clear run on goal, the ball wasn't under control, so there was no issue.
The article is right, and it's about time people started coming out in the press and tackling him head on, even though it is Winter. He does use it as an easy outlet for his frustrations when things don't go the way of his team. Even begrudgingly saying we deserved to win ultimately meant fuckall, because he'd already banged on about the decisions, first and foremost.
It's not just Jeff Winter.
And we did get some favourable decisions yesterday too, so Fergie's outbursts could be costing him.
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I thought the ref leaned our way in the first half, but as always is the case, United players put pressure on him on half time, and he acted favourably to United on occasions in the second half.
I didn't think it was a sending off, it wasn't a clear run on goal, the ball wasn't under control, so there was no issue.
The article is right, and it's about time people started coming out in the press and tackling him head on, even though it is Winter. He does use it as an easy outlet for his frustrations when things don't go the way of his team. Even begrudgingly saying we deserved to win ultimately meant fuckall, because he'd already banged on about the decisions, first and foremost.
i just find it amazing that Berbatov's wrestling of Kuyt to the ground ripping his shirt open has been ignored since the game...
as far as Pens go that was much clearer than Carra's tackle on Carrick (although i do think it was a penalty and Carra was lucky to get away with it)
It would have been given as a foul 10/10 if it was in the centre of the field.
as far as Pens go that was much clearer than Carra's tackle on Carrick (although i do think it was a penalty and Carra was lucky to get away with it)
It would have been given as a foul 10/10 if it was in the centre of the field.
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=36754.msg973028#msg973028 date=1256696673]
i just find it amazing that Berbatov's wrestling of Kuyt to the ground ripping his shirt open has been ignored since the game...
as far as Pens go that was much clearer than Carra's tackle on Carrick (although i do think it was a penalty and Carra was lucky to get away with it)
It would have been given as a foul 10/10 if it was in the centre of the field.
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He got the ball and he got the man, it was close, and I would not have been surprised or all that angry if the penalty were awarded. Ginsoak's other gripes are fantasies, however.
i just find it amazing that Berbatov's wrestling of Kuyt to the ground ripping his shirt open has been ignored since the game...
as far as Pens go that was much clearer than Carra's tackle on Carrick (although i do think it was a penalty and Carra was lucky to get away with it)
It would have been given as a foul 10/10 if it was in the centre of the field.
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He got the ball and he got the man, it was close, and I would not have been surprised or all that angry if the penalty were awarded. Ginsoak's other gripes are fantasies, however.
Why would it be a penalty or a free if he clearly won the ball? His momentum carried him into the player. Even Andy Gray agrees that you cant make a proper takle from a standing position. The referee was perfectly positioned to make a judgement.
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