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Didn’t the refs band together and decide they were going to try to “let things go”? What a massively brain dead decision.
You could see the frustration on the pitch resulting from this. Yes Klopp was wrong but when have you seen Mo so animated, even he was getting royally fucked off with it.
Plus instead of giving a simple foul they’ve now introduced these meaningless follow on periods of play because the foul will always be given by VAR should a goal occur. They can relax all they want but the rules still apply unless you want to tell VAR to ignore the fouls the refs have ignored which forgets why it was installed in the first place.
Honestly I think they just want zero hassle, the ref on Sunday gave his first yellow after 60 minutes which tells you how much of a fanny he is.
You could see the frustration on the pitch resulting from this. Yes Klopp was wrong but when have you seen Mo so animated, even he was getting royally fucked off with it.
Plus instead of giving a simple foul they’ve now introduced these meaningless follow on periods of play because the foul will always be given by VAR should a goal occur. They can relax all they want but the rules still apply unless you want to tell VAR to ignore the fouls the refs have ignored which forgets why it was installed in the first place.
Honestly I think they just want zero hassle, the ref on Sunday gave his first yellow after 60 minutes which tells you how much of a fanny he is.
The game has brought this on itself. Fans and pundits - on here and elsewhere - have long bleated on about "common sense" and "soft penalties", all of which was actually code for "ignore the rules unless someone actually kills someone else on the pitch". Well, be careful what you wish for, because you might get it.
Klopp wasn't wrong though, was he? I mean Salah had been egregiously brought down at least twice last night (that I remember), both times resulting in a Manchester City advantage, both times leaving him on the deck bemused by the decision. Why was he wrong to be seriously fucked off at the officials? Their mistakes can literally cost clubs millions of pounds worth of damage, not to mention emotional and repuitational damage too. Mane was last years target. He was getting fouled with impunity last season and the refs did nothing.
And yet still there is no accountability for the refs, no way to demand or receive justice for the clubs. Everyone has to just seethe in silence. Well fuck that - at least Klopp showed that they were fucking it all up on Sunday. I'm glad he was fired up to take a red for the team. Its about time there was a way to fucking get these cunts demoted, or to publically apologize, or something instead of close ranks and pretend there's nothing to see here.
And yet still there is no accountability for the refs, no way to demand or receive justice for the clubs. Everyone has to just seethe in silence. Well fuck that - at least Klopp showed that they were fucking it all up on Sunday. I'm glad he was fired up to take a red for the team. Its about time there was a way to fucking get these cunts demoted, or to publically apologize, or something instead of close ranks and pretend there's nothing to see here.
Letting things go, to a degree, is fine, but then you then have to accept that if there is a foul in the build-up to a goal which the ref has "let go", then VAR will chalk off the goal (and the bar for VAR over-ruling has to be a bit lower than "clear and obvious error" - it has to be more like, would have been a foul if the ref wasn't letting stuff go).
That's what happened yesterday with City's disallowed goal. And when that happens, you can't be moaning about it (looking at you Bernardo Silva) because you thought the ref was OK with fouls of that type.
It's the same principle as assistant refs not flagging for marginal offsides but VAR then over-turning the decision. On-field officials give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team but then accept that VAR may over-rule them.
The real problem was that Taylor was just shite yesterday, and there's no clearer sign of that then when BOTH teams / sets of fans complain after the game. So not giving the foul on Fabinho on-field I can understand (and VAR got was right to give it), but that one on Mo that led to Klopp losing his shit was just ridiculous and should always have been punished.
And all this despite the ref being helped by the fact that both teams, though the rivalry is intense, aren't generally overly aggressive in their fouling. Sly, but not vicious.
That's what happened yesterday with City's disallowed goal. And when that happens, you can't be moaning about it (looking at you Bernardo Silva) because you thought the ref was OK with fouls of that type.
It's the same principle as assistant refs not flagging for marginal offsides but VAR then over-turning the decision. On-field officials give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team but then accept that VAR may over-rule them.
The real problem was that Taylor was just shite yesterday, and there's no clearer sign of that then when BOTH teams / sets of fans complain after the game. So not giving the foul on Fabinho on-field I can understand (and VAR got was right to give it), but that one on Mo that led to Klopp losing his shit was just ridiculous and should always have been punished.
And all this despite the ref being helped by the fact that both teams, though the rivalry is intense, aren't generally overly aggressive in their fouling. Sly, but not vicious.
Back in 2012, Manchester City striker Sergio Aguero openly discussed his feeling that non-English Premier League players were treated more harshly by officials.
“Here in England, there are almost as many foreign players as English players and it’s not right that some have a privilege that others don’t,” he told SI in 2012
There is a little bit of privilege with players who come from that country, but that is normal.
“We just play our game, and the referee’s job is to know who is tricking him and who is not.”
We wonder what Aguero would have made of Anthony Taylor’s decision not to award Mo Salah multiple freekicks on Sunday against his old club…?
The Egyptian doesn’t get the freekicks he deserves. This is a stat and cannot be denied. He is a dribbler – someone who is constantly taking on opponents who try to stop him – but for some reason; he wins far, far less freekicks than English counterparts who operate in a similar part of the field.
Per touch, Jack Grealish is given four times more freekicks than Salah. That is not because he is a better footballer and more adept at winning them – it is because he is treated differently.
Bernardo Silva’s foul on Salah in the closing stages against City was ridiculous. He grabbed his shirt and performed a wrestling-style barrel-roll. As Silva got up, he backed into Liverpool’s no.11 and kicked him. Neither the initial incident was given as a foul and the VAR ignored Silva’s second infringement, too.
No wonder Jurgen Klopp lost the plot and ended up being sent off. He deserved it, by the way. You can’t shout in someone’s face like that. But my word, his frustration was at least warranted.
“There’s a statistic that Mo is the one player who has the least fouls against him. But not that he didn’t get fouled, just we don’t whistle,” Klopp told reporters in March.
“If you compare him to other strikers it’s crazy, absolutely crazy, how low his number is of fouls against him that the ref whistles [for]. Madness.
“So it means he constantly has contact, going down, you have to get up again and stuff like this.”
But with the referees this season deciding to let the game flow, much to the delight of many dinosaurs in TV studios, who played the game at half the pace it is now 40 years ago, Salah is getting even less.
In the first-half, his legs were hacked in the buildup to an Erling Haaland chance, and still, he got nothing. The ref saw it all. He knew it wasn’t a dive. The opposition player, without taking the ball, caused Salah to fall to the floor. It’s a foul. This is what fouling is. The FA rulebook defines it as impeding an opponent with contact, yet with Salah, the ceiling for a foul is undeniably higher than others.
Why?
Last year, Peter Walton admitted that research is done going into games on certain players and that there is a determination on how to handle them.
“Referees do study players and formations ahead of a game. They are aware that certain players need to be dealt with proactively,” he told the Times.
Laughably, Walton continued and claimed that in a match against Liverpool, Harry Kane wasn’t sent off because of his excellent reputation.
“Kane does not fall into this category. It has been ten years since his last red-card.”
During Salah’s success in England, there has been a huge attempt to discredit him by rivals and label him a diver. It’s laughable. He tries to stay on his feet more than nearly any other attacker, simply because he knows he won’t get a whistle. Yet the stats show refs have eaten up this nonsense propaganda and are judging him because of it. Walton’s admission almost confirms as much.
In the Champions League, Salah is given a foul ever 60 touches – not great – but far more often than in England.
The refs in England are a closely-knit, private club. They have their own rankings. They compete with each other for the best games. They speak constantly on WhatsApp groups. It would be mighty interesting to see what they say about Salah, because the evidence is damning.
The Silva foul on Salah not being given due to the officials attempting to keep an already brilliant game flowing is sheer stupidity.
It says a lot about Salah’s mindset and temperament that he still manages to keep a cool head and win huge matches like he did for us at the weekend in these circumstances.
One thing which might help a bit would be to disband their Association and make them FA employees. Heaven knows I'm no fan whatsoever of the FA or of football administrators in general but, as long as the refs stay in their own little ghetto, the chances of such garbage becoming accepted practice will remain high, especially with Howard "Three Yellows" Webb now in charge.
But there is accountability for refs, can't they get demoted for a number of games?
Anyway I think a middle aged man screaming in the face of another middle aged man because of a mistake is a bit sad.
They should make the refereeing duty an international one so that you can work across Europe for all the FAs like a normal employee. The Premier league would attract the best referees and you wouldnt have any bias towards the English players.
Waltons comments about Kane makes me just want to stop watching football. He doesnt get a red card because of his excellent record these last 10 years. Talk about missing the plot completely about what a neutral ref should be all about.
Waltons comments about Kane makes me just want to stop watching football. He doesnt get a red card because of his excellent record these last 10 years. Talk about missing the plot completely about what a neutral ref should be all about.
I don't think anyone would dispute Klopp deserved his red card. Even he acknowledged he stepped over the line and will accept the punishment coming his way
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For me, the whole point of being a referee is you police the incident, not the circumstance. Time, location, people involved are all irrelevant. If it's a foul it's a foul. How often do we bemoan "anywhere else on the pitch it's a foul"? This is the issue I have with referees
Yeah, I know that sadly it would never happen.
I agree, and it shouldnt matter what type of player you are, if you have any previous or a bad reputation among the the refs.
The new approach to let the game flow this season has been a disaster. In every game you watch these days there are so many fouls that would have resulted in a free kick last season but this year its waved on. Some of them are obvious as well. Hiding behind that new approach and that its gonna make the game better is just awful.
Its made it even worse.
Thing is though, at the start of the season it was only little fouls they were letting go. I didn't have much problem with it. However week on week the severity of the fouls they're willing to overlook has increased. Someone will end up getting injured by a foul the ref has let go, like what happened with linesmen not flagging resulted in Raul Jiminez getting a broken head
Yeah, thats a great point. It seems as though the bar has been raised instead. The heavy flags and letting play go on as probably resulted in injuries and dangerous situations that could have be avoided.
(Advance confession - I know fuck all about how they calculate xg but am assuming it's based off some kind of AI/machine learning)
I wonder if reffing is actually something that needs to be automated, to remove that human factor and bias?
I presume they could create logic that applies the rules of the game, and then use machine learning and AI to go "this was a foul, this wasn't, that was a dive, that wasn't given as a foul but it should've been, this is what a yellow card tackle looks like, and that's a red card" and create a completely impartial system?
Kinda like xg, but for fouls
I wonder if reffing is actually something that needs to be automated, to remove that human factor and bias?
I presume they could create logic that applies the rules of the game, and then use machine learning and AI to go "this was a foul, this wasn't, that was a dive, that wasn't given as a foul but it should've been, this is what a yellow card tackle looks like, and that's a red card" and create a completely impartial system?
Kinda like xg, but for fouls
The guy is nothing but radio clickbait. He used to be a good pundit but since he got a regular gig he's just become a show pony.
yeh agree..who the fuck is he anyway..Nob..
He’s obvs not void of a foul mouthed bust up I see..
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How about a different headline to shove up Sutton's arse?
Klopp wants FA to make an example of Anthony Taylor and potentially send him permantently to the lower leagues for his abject display in Sunday's fixture.
Taylors attrocious decision-making led to several on-field mistakes that could potentially change the nature of the league placings by seasons-end.
Since the difference between fourth and fifth place can mean millions of pounds in revenue, Taylor and the PGMOL is now liable for all potential damages, if that situation arises at the end of the season.
Taylor was not available for comment.
Klopp wants FA to make an example of Anthony Taylor and potentially send him permantently to the lower leagues for his abject display in Sunday's fixture.
Taylors attrocious decision-making led to several on-field mistakes that could potentially change the nature of the league placings by seasons-end.
Since the difference between fourth and fifth place can mean millions of pounds in revenue, Taylor and the PGMOL is now liable for all potential damages, if that situation arises at the end of the season.
Taylor was not available for comment.
Not sure it could work like that. xG isn't if something should be a goal or not, it's if the shot was taken a hundred times from that position, how many times would it be scored. A tap in would be something like .99 xG, a shot from 30 yards might be .10. Its not saying everything over 0.5 should be a goal and below should not. If you add them up over a sample size large enough it shoul broadly equal the total goals scored. It doesn't help much with a sample size of one, which would be needed for a decision.
They might be able to say, this is really likely to be a foul and this is definitely not, but there'd be a huge amount of grey area in the middle, which is the problem anyway for the most part.
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