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RBS pissed with Hicks & Co

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Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr are holding out for an offer of at least £600 million for Liverpool, but have yet to find a serious buyer more than a month after putting the club on the market.

The Times has learnt that while that is the price tag set by the American owners, Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS), the club’s lender, values Liverpool at closer to £400 million and may put pressure on the pair to lower their demands to secure a sale.

RBS declined to comment, but sources close to the bank said that frustration with the unpopular Americans is growing.

Liverpool’s £290 million loan from RBS and Wachovia, the American bank, formally expires in July, which ordinarily would have precipitated a debt crisis at the club. But Hicks and Gillett gained an informal agreement with lenders last month to get an extension on the loan in return for a promise that they would sell up.

The banks granted Liverpool a non-binding assurance that cash will continue to be available next season. The promise was essential because Martin Broughton, the club’s recently appointed chairman, had to appear before the Premier League to give a commitment that they would be able to fulfil their fixtures.

Accounts published by the club a fortnight ago disclosed the extent of Liverpool’s financial malaise. As of July 31 last year, the club’s total debts were £472.5 million — Kop Holdings, the company that owns Liverpool, is responsible for £351 million — and they are paying £40.1 million interest on their bank loans.

KPMG, the club’s auditor, expressed a “material uncertainty†about Liverpool’s ability to continue as a going concern, the second year running it has made that assessment of the club’s finances.

RBS is expected to bankroll Liverpool long enough for the Americans to find a buyer. But while it is not in RBS’s commercial interest to make Hicks and Gillett forced sellers of the club, the bank’s patience is not infinite and it is likely to start to apply pressure on the Americans to cut the price if no credible bidder has appeared by the start of next season.

Broughton, who is facing down the unions over strike action in his role as chairman of British Airways, has said that he will stay on at Liverpool only until the club are sold. He has already told The Times that he expected a sale to go through “within a matter of monthsâ€.

The market valuation of Liverpool is about £350 million, lower even than what RBS believes the club are worth.
 
Hicks & Gillett are holding the club to ransom with the extortionate price tag that is driving any prospective buyers away. It's about time that the banks start putting them under some serious pressure to sell the club without further delay. The sooner it happens the sooner we can move forward.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40385.msg1109044#msg1109044 date=1274856217]
Oh God, I hope this doesn't drag on till next season - 2010-11 could be a write-off at this rate.
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I think it will until the two greedy twats drop their asking price unfortunately. So next year is a write off as well
 
Not necessarily. The "Times" article makes it clear (a) that the agreement between Statler and Waldorf and the banks is actually an informal one, so it may be easier for the banks to abrogate it quickly, and (b) that RBS in particular are losing patience. Nobody can know for sure at this stage, but I'm hopeful we'll see a resolution one way or the other in the New Year if not before.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40385.msg1109085#msg1109085 date=1274865149]
Not necessarily. The "Times" article makes it clear (a) that the agreement between Statler and Waldorf and the banks is actually an informal one, so it may be easier for the banks to abrogate it quickly, and (b) that RBS in particular are losing patience. Nobody can know for sure at this stage, but I'm hopeful we'll see a resolution one way or the other in the New Year if not before.
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The New Year? If it's not sorted by August, we'll be shooting ourselves in both feet. We just can't afford to fuck up a third consecutive transfer window.
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40385.msg1109085#msg1109085 date=1274865149]
Not necessarily. The "Times" article makes it clear (a) that the agreement between Statler and Waldorf and the banks is actually an informal one, so it may be easier for the banks to abrogate it quickly, and (b) that RBS in particular are losing patience. Nobody can know for sure at this stage, but I'm hopeful we'll see a resolution one way or the other in the New Year if not before.
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The New Year? If it's not sorted by August, we'll be shooting ourselves in both feet. We just can't afford to fuck up a third consecutive transfer window.

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Sorted by August?

Hahahaha
 
I don't really get why people think the banks will force a sale?
They have a payment plan in place, and when they ask for payment they get it.
Isn't that just what banks do? If they are getting their payments why would they lose patience? Is the suggestion that we aren't paying off the debt at all?
That can't be right surely.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40385.msg1109132#msg1109132 date=1274869727]
I don't really get why people think the banks will force a sale?
They have a payment plan in place, and when they ask for payment they get it.
Isn't that just what banks do? If they are getting their payments why would they lose patience? Is the suggestion that we aren't paying off the debt at all?
That can't be right surely.
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but that was surely based on us being in a top four position, therefore extra revenue to meet those payments, that is now gone with the teams above us looking to consolidate their position. RBS aren't idiots, they can see where this is headed.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=40385.msg1109148#msg1109148 date=1274871433]
It's headed towards administration.
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exactly. so they stand more chance of getting their money if they act now than if they allow things to continue on the road to ruin.
 
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=40385.msg1109155#msg1109155 date=1274872591]
with administration we are relegation bound!

better to rebuild in scratch?
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not really, if we'd taken a 12 point hit last season we'd still be midtable. admissionstration would almost certainly see the top players leave though. frankly I could live with that and midtable mediocrity while we build the youth if it meant the yanks fucking off, the way things are going currently the yanks will run liverpool into the ground.
 
The question is, will a admin threat from RBS make Dumb and Dumber lower their asking price? Possibly. As they stand to get even less if RBS takes over and forces a sale.

All we know is that it's going to get a whole lot worse before it gets any better.
Let's just hope we have somewhat of a team left when we can concentrate on football again.
 
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=40385.msg1109158#msg1109158 date=1274873066]
'admissionstration'
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

spelling police on an internet forum...
like anyone gives a fuck ('cept you of course).
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40385.msg1109162#msg1109162 date=1274873336]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=40385.msg1109158#msg1109158 date=1274873066]
'admissionstration'
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

spelling police on an internet forum...
like anyone gives a fuck ('cept you of course).
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WTF? You're not one letter out - it's a whole other word! You're like a 21st-century Mrs Malaprop.

Spidey, you may not have noticed this, but almost everyone else on 6CM is literate.
 
Admissionstration?

Haha, what a fucking ace word.

Admission through fear of castration
 
That could almost go into that Washington Post thing where they make up new words.

Admissionstration - the act of holding up ones hands and taking the blame for the utterly shit state the finances are in.

Not quite as good as Cashtration or Ignoranus, but not bad
 
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